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    Well, I can understand USA players. They already know USA is the best when it comes to basketball, and they don't have anything to prove. Besides, USA isn't exactly a nationalist country, so it's also natural that they don't feel the need to join. And even with the roster, (Walker, Lowry, Smart, Tatum etc.) they can win this tournament.
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    Coach Taylor(Poland) criticised Lampe's behaviour in recent media conference, so it's possible that Lampe is out. Meanwhile Russian Federation changed the status of Mozgov. Now they are saying that Mozgov is not out. Bazarevich said that Thursday is the final day of Mozgov's decision. In Caribbean John Holland is in conversations with the federation about his availability to the World Cup. Probably he will quit, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tevfik1907 View Post
    Well, I can understand USA players. They already know USA is the best when it comes to basketball, and they don't have anything to prove. Besides, USA isn't exactly a nationalist country, so it's also natural that they don't feel the need to join. And even with the roster, (Walker, Lowry, Smart, Tatum etc.) they can win this tournament.
    The truth is that for an american NBA star taking part in team USA earns him nothing.If they win,noone's gonna congratulate them,they are supposed to win.If they lose they'll be mocked forever.It's a lose lose situation for them.This is the result of the absolute dominance of American basketball historically.There is no other major sport where one country is SO much better than everyone else.Not in ice hockey,not in football,not in handball.This has caused international competitions to be a bit meaningless for americans who understandably so only care about NBA and not competitions where they go undefeated for 15 years straight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon_Koncak View Post
    The truth is that for an american NBA star taking part in team USA earns him nothing.If they win,noone's gonna congratulate them,they are supposed to win.If they lose they'll be mocked forever.It's a lose lose situation for them.This is the result of the absolute dominance of American basketball historically.There is no other major sport where one country is SO much better than everyone else.Not in ice hockey,not in football,not in handball.This has caused international competitions to be a bit meaningless for americans who understandably so only care about NBA and not competitions where they go undefeated for 15 years straight.
    the current streak is only 13 years, but yeah, we get your point here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon_Koncak View Post
    The truth is that for an american NBA star taking part in team USA earns him nothing.If they win,noone's gonna congratulate them,they are supposed to win.If they lose they'll be mocked forever.It's a lose lose situation for them.This is the result of the absolute dominance of American basketball historically.There is no other major sport where one country is SO much better than everyone else.Not in ice hockey,not in football,not in handball.This has caused international competitions to be a bit meaningless for americans who understandably so only care about NBA and not competitions where they go undefeated for 15 years straight.
    Not much to argue here.

    Really the benefits of being a part of Team USA are almost entirely off the court. Branding, exposure, networking between players (it can be argued the super team era is down to the Redeem Team and the teams that followed). Even then those are only appealing so long as the best players buy in, and the best players only buy in when, 1: There's a significant amount of pride on the line (see Redeem Team), 2: the event itself is appealing.

    Aside from enormous cultural significance a Olympic Gold medal has, the olympics are one of biggest events on the planet, and olympic village is one of the biggest parties on the planet. In other words even if athletes see it as useless, the Olympics can still sell itself as an experience.

    The World Cup can't offer the above, the only thing they can play to is pride, and that means if they want to see the best players the US has to offer someone is going to have to beat this E Team.
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    No Bruno Fernando(Atlanta Hawks) for Angola- he refused to come- and no Silvio Sousa( Kansas Jayhawks) for academic reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulis79 View Post
    No Bruno Fernando(Atlanta Hawks) for Angola- he refused to come- and no Silvio Sousa( Kansas Jayhawks) for academic reasons.
    That's big losses for Angola, btw can't see Yannick Moreira in the list of the ones who started preparations. Is he out too, somehow missed such info, but he was in preliminar roster


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mindozas View Post
    That's big losses for Angola, btw can't see Yannick Moreira in the list of the ones who started preparations. Is he out too, somehow missed such info, but he was in preliminar roster
    Moreira hasn't join the team yet. He is unattached, so he might delay his arrival. I also think that Fernando won't join Angola's team in the near future. The "good news' for Angola is the bracket. Even if they finish fourth they have good chances to be among top 20-22 teams.

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    Mika Vukona out with injury. Big blow for NZ.

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    Japan's main PG Yuki Togashi is out due to broken hand


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    Its less number of missings than before .Some of mentioned doesnt had place on the roster .National teams like Lithuania,Greece or France are almost completed ,Serbia is completed,like Turkey,Czech Republic,Germany.Further Australia and Canadia have core of the team ,Spain is on edge of generation ,Rodriguez and Mirotic are two players which they misse,despite of that they could struggle for medal,Argentina is completed .Taking account into,no one team which absentees will create crucial importance for their result and is that is advance in comparision on earlier period .

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    Indeed, only the USA has missing players, and even they will come with twelve NBA players. The truth of the matter is that the biggest US states could assemble teams on par with the best international teams. So it doesn't really matter that there are many absentees for the US. The overall talent in this tournament is richer than ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victorious View Post
    Indeed, only the USA has missing players, and even they will come with twelve NBA players. The truth of the matter is that the biggest US states could assemble teams on par with the best international teams. So it doesn't really matter that there are many absentees for the US. The overall talent in this tournament is richer than ever.
    I think the 2006 edition was a loaded top heavy tournament. You had 4 absolute powerhouses in Spain, Argentina, Greece and the USA. Any 4 of those could have legitimately won the tournament. This year, other than the US and Serbia I think there’s a drop off. France possibly but I honestly don’t think Spain is a serious title contender. And Greece and the others are a notch below in my opinion as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victorious View Post
    Indeed, only the USA has missing players, and even they will come with twelve NBA players. The truth of the matter is that the biggest US states could assemble teams on par with the best international teams. So it doesn't really matter that there are many absentees for the US. The overall talent in this tournament is richer than ever.
    No way it's richer than ever. It's just not worse than it was before - thanks to the fact that FIBA made World Cup as qualifiers to Olympics. Otherwise the level would've dropped as it was dropping tournament by tournament since 2002


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    No longtime key PG Xane Dalmeida in Senegal's preliminary roster. Maybe with Clevin Hannah coming back as naturalized player, Dalmeida isn't that vital, but still was the main PG in qualifiers. Strange that new coach didn't put him even in preliminary roster, maybe some injury, don't know. Also no George Niang from Utah, no Moussa Diagne, who spent last season in Andorra (Spanish ACB), I guess latter two refused to come, never were involved with NT what so ever


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    Some news from national teams.

    Angola: Moreira caught malaria, it's hard to say when he will be ready for training. Meanwhile Mingas had a personal lose, so his participation is at stake.

    Tunisia: All players arrived, except Michael Roll who probably will join later this week.

    New Zealand: Te Rangi is out with knee problem. Second blow in a row for Tall Blacks.

    Senegal: Lamine Sambe is out. Hannah replaces him as a naturalized player. Senegal is loaded at the post so Moussa Diagne's presence is unnecessary for the moment.

    Puerto Rico: John Holland "missed" the first gathering of the team, so he will be sanctioned according to the Federation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usagre View Post
    I think the 2006 edition was a loaded top heavy tournament. You had 4 absolute powerhouses in Spain, Argentina, Greece and the USA. Any 4 of those could have legitimately won the tournament. This year, other than the US and Serbia I think there’s a drop off. France possibly but I honestly don’t think Spain is a serious title contender. And Greece and the others are a notch below in my opinion as well.
    Yes, but before the 2006 tournament started the USA was considered heavy favorite. It is only in hindsight that we know there were 4 title candidates. Even so, as your argue, those four teams were clearly better than the rest, because the other teams were not good enough. In this tournament though, we have the USA, then we have Serbia, Spain, France, Greece, Australia, Canada, Lithuania, Germany, Russia, Turkey, Italy. The list goes on. Even some African teams have very decent rosters. This tournament has more talent altogether. The fact that the top teams may not be as good as Spain once used to be in their prime is another matter. There is more talent now. That's for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soulis79 View Post

    Puerto Rico: John Holland "missed" the first gathering of the team, so he will be sanctioned according to the Federation.
    Also no Moe Harkless and Shabazz Napier in preliminary list. Harkless probably still dealing with ankle injury he had in latest games of the season and/or just doesn't want to waste his time with NT. The same like Napier, who once again swore how much he wants to represent PR, but at the end most likely refused


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    Also judging by South Korean preliminary roster, there are no Sekeun Oh and Junbeum Jeon. Both were quite important puzzles in qualies and in previous champs, no idea why htye were left out


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mindozas View Post
    Also judging by South Korean preliminary roster, there are no Sekeun Oh and Junbeum Jeon. Both were quite important puzzles in qualies and in previous champs, no idea why htye were left out

    RJ Barrett has pulled out for Canada sighting a "mild calf strain" from summer league. Proabaly just face-saving for RJ.

    No surprise here - I have been saying this was highly likely from the get go.
    Could actually help Canada as 19 year olds who, have not played a second of professional basketball, can't shoot yet and happen to be the son of the GM could really hurt a team at this level.

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