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    Quote Originally Posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
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    Well. La tenorio has 57% 3pfg. Compare that to kiefer 35% 3pfg.

    In the post only?. But when his matchup face up on him. He is easily passed. Italy,Serbia, Even Angola expose kiefers weak perimeter defense
    again, give kiefer a break.. he’s away from the game for 18 months..

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    Quote Originally Posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
    Dunk is nothing in international basketball.

    Kiefer shooting 30-35% 3ptfg is not good. If kiefer will not work on his shooting, he will not fit in gilas
    Being able to dunk means you have enough lift to block, outrebound, or shoot over taller players.

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    call me crazy but I would put Romeo over LA and Keifer.Over LA because LA has not really been active for gilas,over Keifer because Romeo has made more important baskets than Ravena.Keifer choked a bit when he had the chance,however he's still young and has a lot to chance to prove himself in Asia but least. I would like to see Romeo and Clarkson play in one team one day,it seems like Clarkson is pretty impressed with Romeo's ball handling skills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex07 View Post
    call me crazy but I would put Romeo over LA and Keifer.Over LA because LA has not really been active for gilas,over Keifer because Romeo has made more important baskets than Ravena.Keifer choked a bit when he had the chance,however he's still young and has a lot to chance to prove himself in Asia but least. I would like to see Romeo and Clarkson play in one team one day,it seems like Clarkson is pretty impressed with Romeo's ball handling skills.
    You're not, thought it won't happen bro, lahat na lang kasi ng bagay may politika. We can't enjoy the sport itself without dealing with the itsy bitsy (policitcs) of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex07 View Post
    call me crazy but I would put Romeo over LA and Keifer.Over LA because LA has not really been active for gilas,over Keifer because Romeo has made more important baskets than Ravena.Keifer choked a bit when he had the chance,however he's still young and has a lot to chance to prove himself in Asia but least. I would like to see Romeo and Clarkson play in one team one day,it seems like Clarkson is pretty impressed with Romeo's ball handling skills.
    Well Romeo is a nut case and a locker room head case... Hou dont want that type of presence for your national team. The reason he was traded from Northport is because of his primadonna gestures and fighting with his Coach. With TNT same thing happened... Sa SMB takot lang baka oatayin siya ni Tubid at Santos...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
    I am not saying La must be chosen over kiefer now. I am comparing the 2014 LA to 2019 kiefer. I am explaining my points about kiefer to them by comparing him to the past guards of former version of gilas.

    And even Im an ginebra fan, La is not one of my favorite player. But I cant accept that you are all saying Kiefer is a better playmaker and efficient than La.

    As you said atleast La give a score. But he also scores.

    As for kiefer, he let his man scores, while he also brick shots.
    KIEFER might have brick shots in the China but defensively he has been solid...He body up his opponent to impede there movement or funnel his guy to the big guys thus it look like he got beaten but thats part of the scheme... It was Lee and Barroca who were abused defensively... Anyway, it was Yengs blunder in chosing Kiefer last World Cup when he has been inactive fof 18months, rusty and not yet in basketball shape. Among our present PG, Kiefer is most experienced and perhaps the best locally available PG at present for the 2020-2021 Fiba Asia qualifier , LA is old, Barroca got raped already last WorldCup, Bollick injured, Jalalon is too small while Romeo is bakaw and a headcase, Cabaggi, Ross and Pringle are ineligible, Matt anx JGDL are too inexperience to be our lead PG..

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    Quote Originally Posted by sajubeads View Post
    KIEFER might have brick shots in the China but defensively he has been solid...He body up his opponent to impede there movement or funnel his guy to the big guys thus it look like he got beaten but thats part of the scheme... It was Lee and Barroca who were abused defensively... Anyway, it was Yengs blunder in chosing Kiefer last World Cup when he has been inactive fof 18months, rusty and not yet in basketball shape. Among our present PG, Kiefer is most experienced and perhaps the best locally available PG at present for the 2020-2021 Fiba Asia qualifier , LA is old, Barroca got raped already last WorldCup, Bollick injured, Jalalon is too small while Romeo is bakaw and a headcase, Cabaggi, Ross and Pringle are ineligible, Matt anx JGDL are too inexperience to be our lead PG..
    i agree 100%
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    Quote Originally Posted by sajubeads View Post
    KIEFER might have brick shots in the China but defensively he has been solid...He body up his opponent to impede there movement or funnel his guy to the big guys thus it look like he got beaten but thats part of the scheme... It was Lee and Barroca who were abused defensively... Anyway, it was Yengs blunder in chosing Kiefer last World Cup when he has been inactive fof 18months, rusty and not yet in basketball shape. Among our present PG, Kiefer is most experienced and perhaps the best locally available PG at present for the 2020-2021 Fiba Asia qualifier , LA is old, Barroca got raped already last WorldCup, Bollick injured, Jalalon is too small while Romeo is bakaw and a headcase, Cabaggi, Ross and Pringle are ineligible, Matt anx JGDL are too inexperience to be our lead PG..
    Cabagnot is acutally eligible and managed to play for Gilas under Yeng during the qualifiers. He's just getting a little old.

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    Personalities aside, with the emergence of our versatile scoring bigs and the abundance of our wing scorers ( Clarkson, Dwight .CJ etc) with excellent ball handling. The type of PG we need isn't somebody who competes for touches and shots with our core strength ( bigs and wing who we want to highlight and focus on) but rather someone who will defer (facilitate without dribbling much (not ball heavy) and is an excellent defender ( not just decent, but be excellent).

    We actually want our good wings to be handling the ball more than our PG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by analyzed View Post
    Personalities aside, with the emergence of our versatile scoring bigs and the abundance of our wing scorers ( Clarkson, Dwight .CJ etc) with excellent ball handling. The type of PG we need isn't somebody who competes for touches and shots with our core strength ( bigs and wing who we want to highlight and focus on) but rather someone who will defer (facilitate without dribbling much (not ball heavy) and is an excellent defender ( not just decent, but be excellent).

    We actually want our good wings to be handling the ball more than our PG.
    Well the best candidates are remy martin amnd panopio.

    Remy is a scorer, but I doubt his playmaking skills.

    Panopio is a good playmaker but he is not an excellent defender.

    Anyway, they are both young. And can improve their game

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    Quote Originally Posted by analyzed View Post
    Personalities aside, with the emergence of our versatile scoring bigs and the abundance of our wing scorers ( Clarkson, Dwight .CJ etc) with excellent ball handling. The type of PG we need isn't somebody who competes for touches and shots with our core strength ( bigs and wing who we want to highlight and focus on) but rather someone who will defer (facilitate without dribbling much (not ball heavy) and is an excellent defender ( not just decent, but be excellent).

    We actually want our good wings to be handling the ball more than our PG.

    Kiefer Ravena has qualities to be a good facilitator PG excellent Bball IQ and has good court vision to find open teammates, what about Dalph Panopio everyone was buzzing about how good this kid was and that he had European PG mentality cause he was raised and learned hoops in Italy, where is he now? any updates on him.

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    Kuoame, Edu and Kai, at the same time will be a defensive nightmare for our opponents especially good shooting teams like South Korea or even Australia and other European team. We just need to have athletic, tall and long guards and wing players to compliment this guys. Hopefully, Paras, Lopez, Lazaro, Tamayo, will all develop into guard and small forward position and be good especially in defense. And hope and pray that Clarkson will finally be considered as local player.
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    Quote Originally Posted by analyzed View Post
    Personalities aside, with the emergence of our versatile scoring bigs and the abundance of our wing scorers ( Clarkson, Dwight .CJ etc) with excellent ball handling. The type of PG we need isn't somebody who competes for touches and shots with our core strength ( bigs and wing who we want to highlight and focus on) but rather someone who will defer (facilitate without dribbling much (not ball heavy) and is an excellent defender ( not just decent, but be excellent).

    We actually want our good wings to be handling the ball more than our PG.
    Us with abundance of versatile big and wing scorers? Who? Clarkson is ineligible. Ramos has not yet played a UAAP game. Who else? I know some of our guys have potential but isnt it too early to count our chicks before they are hatched?

    I agree though that our PGs shouldnt be ball dominant. They should be more Steph than Paul. Not that they shouldnt pass but they should be able to give the ball and work off it if they cant make anything happen after a few dribbles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fadzki View Post
    Kiefer Ravena has qualities to be a good facilitator PG excellent Bball IQ and has good court vision to find open teammates, what about Dalph Panopio everyone was buzzing about how good this kid was and that he had European PG mentality cause he was raised and learned hoops in Italy, where is he now? any updates on him.
    Dalph is enrolled in a prep school in Florida, DME Sports Academy, a non traditional high school just like Kai's TSF.



    Announcers call him The Italian Stallion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dotch View Post
    Dalph is enrolled in a prep school in Florida, DME Sports Academy, a non traditional high school just like Kai's TSF.



    Announcers call him The Italian Stallion
    Lol at the Announcers he looks Asian than Italian, Hopefully he commits to a good US NCAA D1 school.

    I thought he will play professionally in Europe.

    right now we have AJ, Kai & Panopio all playing in the US, hopefully they will be successful, it might pave they way for the younger ones to follow.

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    contrary to previous post(s), Dalph is a good defender based on the highlights, as he uses his feet to gain advantage. and he has quick hands and timing as evidenced by his stat line vs Rock Top Prep (3 steals and 3 blocks)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dotch View Post
    contrary to previous post(s), Dalph is a good defender based on the highlights, as he uses his feet to gain advantage. and he has quick hands and timing as evidenced by his stat line vs Rock Top Prep (3 steals and 3 blocks)
    Yeah he is a good defender. But not an excellent defender like analyzed want iur guard to be

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    Quote Originally Posted by fadzki View Post
    Lol at the Announcers he looks Asian than Italian, Hopefully he commits to a good US NCAA D1 school.

    I thought he will play professionally in Europe.

    right now we have AJ, Kai & Panopio all playing in the US, hopefully they will be successful, it might pave they way for the younger ones to follow.
    And Remy Martin..

    List of FIBA eligible pinoy basketball players who have basketball experience in US worth considering for Gilas pool up to 2023;

    C-Kai Sotto 7'2
    C/PF-Japeth Aguilar 6'9
    C/PF-AJ Edu 6'10
    SF-Kobe Paras 6'6
    SF/SG-Dwight Ramos 6'5
    SF/SG/PG-BRP Jr. 6'4
    SG-Matt Wright 6'4
    PG-Dalph Panopio 6'2
    PG-Kiefer Ravena 5'11
    PG-Remy Martin 5'11

    Homegrown pinoys who have no playing experience in US worth consideration for Gilas pool;

    C-Junemar Fajardo 6'10
    C-Geo Chiu 6'10
    PF-Justine Baltazar 6'8
    PF-Isaac Go 6'8
    PF/SF-Carl Tamayo 6'7
    SF-Troy Rosario 6'7
    SF-Francis Lopez 6'5
    SF-Calvin Oftana 6'5
    SG-Dave Ildefonso 6'4
    SG-Javee Mocon 6'3
    SG-Rhenz Abando 6'3
    SG-Allyn Bulanadi 6'3
    SG-Rey Suerte 6'2
    SG-Thirdy Ravena 6'2
    SG/PG-CJ Perez 6'1
    PG-Matt Nieto 6'1
    PG-Robert Bolick 6'1
    PG-Juan GDL 6'1
    PG-Rey Nambatac 6'0
    PG-SJ Belangel 5'11
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    Quote Originally Posted by sajubeads View Post
    KIEFER might have brick shots in the China but defensively he has been solid...He body up his opponent to impede there movement or funnel his guy to the big guys thus it look like he got beaten but thats part of the scheme... It was Lee and Barroca who were abused defensively... Anyway, it was Yengs blunder in chosing Kiefer last World Cup when he has been inactive fof 18months, rusty and not yet in basketball shape. Among our present PG, Kiefer is most experienced and perhaps the best locally available PG at present for the 2020-2021 Fiba Asia qualifier , LA is old, Barroca got raped already last WorldCup, Bollick injured, Jalalon is too small while Romeo is bakaw and a headcase, Cabaggi, Ross and Pringle are ineligible, Matt anx JGDL are too inexperience to be our lead PG..
    I question why people call Romeo as bakaw. Look at his stats in Gilas and you would see that he has the most assist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    And Remy Martin..

    List of FIBA eligible pinoy basketball players who have basketball experience in US worth considering for Gilas pool up to 2023;

    C-Kai Sotto 7'2
    C/PF-Japeth Aguilar 6'9
    C/PF-AJ Edu 6'10
    SF-Kobe Paras 6'6
    SF/SG-Dwight Ramos 6'5
    SF/SG/PG-BRP Jr. 6'4
    SG-Matt Wright 6'4
    PG-Dalph Panopio 6'2
    PG-Kiefer Ravena 5'11
    PG-Remy Martin 5'11

    Homegrown pinoys who have no playing experience in US worth consideration for Gilas pool;

    C-Junemar Fajardo 6'10
    C-Geo Chiu 6'10
    PF-Justine Baltazar 6'8
    PF-Isaac Go 6'8
    PF/SF-Carl Tamayo 6'7
    SF-Troy Rosario 6'7
    SF-Francis Lopez 6'5
    SF-Calvin Oftana 6'5
    SG-Dave Ildefonso 6'4
    SG-Javee Mocon 6'3
    SG-Rhenz Abando 6'3
    SG-Allyn Bulanadi 6'3
    SG-Rey Suerte 6'2
    SG-Thirdy Ravena 6'2
    SG/PG-CJ Perez 6'1
    PG-Matt Nieto 6'1
    PG-Robert Bolick 6'1
    PG-Juan GDL 6'1
    PG-Rey Nambatac 6'0
    PG-SJ Belangel 5'11

    future's looking good for phil basketball. good times ahead. hopefully.

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