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Originally posted by anon9000 View Post
While Australia is obviously ranked higher than NZ
Just to put context in the actual results between the 2. In the last decade WC and since joining Asia in 2017.
2010 WC , Australia 10th , NZ 12th , Same win loss record
2014 WC , Nz made 2nd round, Australia did not.
2019 WC Australia-semis and NZ 19th of 32
2017 Asia cup , Australia 1st, NZ , 4th
WC qualifiers 2018 to 2019 , both 1st in groups, both NZ and Australia loss games to Asian teams (Aus to Japan ) and Nz to Korea
Current Asia qualifiers, NZ vs Australia have split their games. With Nz loss using players limited to those residents in Aus due to covid
Again not saying that Nz is equal to Australia, but based on purely results FIBA last decade they are actually in the same tier .
Now I gather the reason NZ is grouped with Korea , China in tier 2 is cause of Asian fiba results, which is fair enough. But here is the thing if we based it consistently similar to how we ranked Australia ahead of NZ , recognizing the difference in player level accomplishments and World and Olympic performance. (And not FIBA Asia competition), NZ is quite clearly a tier above Asian teams. Again this is based on latter criteria not opinion.. which was used in separating Aus a tier ahead of the rest.Comment
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Well, I'm talking about Thailand's chances. I think Daleo would have been able to utilize the Thai players better.Originally posted by robert0326Comment
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Hope the "greens" realize what they missed by preventing Quiambao from joining the Gilas pool. The thing is, it is still very much uncertain whether UAAP basketball will push thru this year or not. If the idea of the greens in not allowing Quiambao to join Gilas is to preserve him for the UAAP basketball this season, then what is there to preserve for when its not even certain if UAAP basketball will push thru this year or not?Originally posted by tomcat View Post"A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IVComment
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Thailand lost their chances in the second window. They really had the chance to win against Indonesia and Taiwan is a shadow of its former self.Comment
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No. While I understand you're a big fan of NZ... No. They're still Tier 2 until proven otherwise in Asian Competition.Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
You are correct.Now I gather the reason NZ is grouped with Korea , China in tier 2 is cause of Asian fiba results, which is fair enough.Comment
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I think a complete Thailand team with Tyler Lamb & Justin Bassey is very much capable of beating a Taiwan team without a naturalized player.Originally posted by Labradoodle View Post
And if Thailand could not beat a Taiwan team without a NP, eh paano nalang ang Thailand basketball?"A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IVComment
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Here's my stand: Thailand, with Lamb & Justin Bassey, and Indonesia with Lester Prosper & Jawato must be capable of beating lower tier Asian teams like Taiwan, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Iraq, India, UAE.
If not, what does it speak of Thailand & Indonesian basketball after all these years or even decades? I mean, 2 or 3 decades ago, Thailand & Indonesia basketball have never showed it can beat those countries. After all their improvements in recent years dapat such improvements should translate to gaining some respect & getting notice in Asian basketball."A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IVComment
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Current FIBA Asia rankingsOriginally posted by DAdmiral View Post
Tier 1 = Guaranteed Gold Medal
Tier 2 = Medalists or top 5 finish
Tier 3= Competitive teams and top 10 finish
-For FIBA world rankings without a doubt the Oceania teams are ranked into another tier but this is the rankings from the past tourneys after the Asia and Oceania merger. Tier 2 is difficult as none of these countries are guaranteed to really be a silver medalist much less end up in a podium. Its the toughest tier to separate from.
NZ is a good team but how they finish is based on who they are matched with.Last edited by anon9000; 06-05-2021, 01:06 PM.Comment
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Japan Beating Australia(Team C)
And Korea Beating NZ
shows that Oceania teams, while heavy favourites, are still beatable.
In World Rankings, I feel teams Like Spain and France, and maybe Argentina are slightly ahead of Australia. (As a Team, not as indivudual players)Comment
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Ok just stick to factual resultsOriginally posted by Jupitersa View Post
Nz
in the last decade in the
WC
WC window qualifiers
And OQT
is the 2nd best performing team in Asia Pacific
Obviously as oceania only has 1 slot for the Olympics, nz can't be 2nd best results in Olympics
Not opinion just factual resultsComment
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byOriginally posted by DAdmiral View Post
It's a good thing we're not discussing the past then but the present. The context here is versus asian competition. The fact of the matter is NZ has a hard time with Tier 2 South Korea and even gets beat by Tier 3 Jordan while Australia can parade even a Team C lineup and blows out the competition, something the NZ cannot do. So we all agree that Aus is at the tier of it's own, correct? Now then, if NZ still gets beat by teams at the same tier then why do you conclude that NZ is clearly a tier above China, Iran, Korea, and let's say Full-force Japan? I don't see facts there.
Iran almost always handily beats Korea whenever they meet, but still, we think both teams are on the same tier. As of right now, I don't see NZ being a tier above every asian team like you're implying when they're still vulnerable against fellow Tier 2 teams. NZ did not even medal last 2017 Asia Cup as Korea beat them. Maybe they'll prove themselves this coming Asia Cup who knows? They still need to prove themselves versus Asian Competitions.
Just facts.
EDIT: I fail to see the reason why you think is some kind of a insult or a downgrade to your NZ team. Being seen as equal to Iran, China, SK, and maybe even Japan is a great honor already. Don't think lowly of Asian teams too much. Just an advice.Last edited by Jupitersa; 06-05-2021, 03:08 PM.Comment
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Agree with you. I say a full force New Zealand team doesn't enjoy significant edge over China, South Korea, Japan, etc.Originally posted by Jupitersa View Post"A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IVComment
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C Jonathan Galloway 6'11Originally posted by hmbopbaduwap View Post
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