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    Quote Originally Posted by Toruko View Post
    You failed to play most post up games after his fifth foul. Maybe this russian lithuanian big Olegas was too tired.
    He's Belorusian Lithuanian He was born in Lithuania, his mother is Lithuanian and father is Belorusian who played in Belorusian NT and in many mediocre teams in the past. He says his son is more talented than him and has much better opportunities to improve. And what about Bona? I only found that he's Nigerian. Did he escape from Nigeria like Ilyasov from Uzbekistan?

    Koralp Turk reminded me Duran, at least a light one as he's not so fat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher View Post
    He's Belorusian Lithuanian He was born in Lithuania, his mother is Lithuanian and father is Belorusian who played in Belorusian NT and in many mediocre teams in the past. He says his son is more talented than him and has much better opportunities to improve. And what about Bona? I only found that he's Nigerian. Did he escape from Nigeria like Ilyasov from Uzbekistan?

    Koralp Turk reminded me Duran, at least a light one as he's not so fat.
    Thanks for the info. It was my assumption because you have many russians from Stalins deportations back then.

    Bonas came to turkey with 14 after one turkish coach saw his talent on the internet. A vid was uploaded by his friend.

    Koralp is a talented guy but with 200 cm too short for 4 and too slow for 3. We dont see him making the jump to the pro level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toruko View Post
    Thanks for the info. It was my assumption because you have many russians from Stalins deportations back then.

    Bonas came to turkey with 14 after one turkish coach saw his talent on the internet. A vid was uploaded by his friend.

    Koralp is a talented guy but with 200 cm too short for 4 and too slow for 3. We dont see him making the jump to the pro level.
    So Bonas (why Bonas? It's written Bona) was born in Africa and came to Turkey only when he was 14? And at 15 played for Turkey youth NT? He got citizenship just in one year? And you don't know how old he is in such cases, he may easy be older than other kids that would make this simlpy not fair. That's why i don't like African kids in these competitions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toruko View Post
    Thanks for the info. It was my assumption because you have many russians from Stalins deportations back then.
    Latvia and Estonia have big russian minoraties. We have only 5% . In fact our biggest minority is Poles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher View Post
    So Bonas (why Bonas? It's written Bona) was born in Africa and came to Turkey only when he was 14? And at 15 played for Turkey youth NT? He got citizenship just in one year? And you don't know how old he is in such cases, he may easy be older than other kids that would make this simlpy not fair. That's why i don't like African kids in these competitions.
    As far as I understand, we don't have a real proof about his age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher View Post
    Koralp Turk reminded me Duran, at least a light one as he's not so fat.
    right. Duran was a bit taller and much wider, making him a giant between kids. Turk, whom I watched only the second time, is smaller and has a better shot and fundamentals. He needs to grow 5-6cm though, otherwise he'll not be very effective in senior level.

    Lithuania played smart for most of the game, except the OT, where somehow Batin, who was atrocious until then, took over. I thought Kneizys was great, and Butkus very good in the first half.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher View Post
    So Bonas (why Bonas? It's written Bona) was born in Africa and came to Turkey only when he was 14? And at 15 played for Turkey youth NT? He got citizenship just in one year? And you don't know how old he is in such cases, he may easy be older than other kids that would make this simlpy not fair. That's why i don't like African kids in these competitions.
    Well yes, we cant know if it is his real age but when you watch how childish his face and his behaviour is then you know it cant be more than a couple month. At least i am sure that he is 2003 born.

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    Quote Originally Posted by remigijus View Post
    Latvia and Estonia have big russian minoraties. We have only 5% . In fact our biggest minority is Poles.
    OK thanks.

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    And to clarify it. We were the better team. The ball rotation was great, we scored over assists, we used the paint very well, shots were not falling but ok....

    LTU scored mostly over iso and used its height advantage to create space. There are undoubtedly very talented guys though. Butkus, Kojenets or Murauskas.

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    There will be always speculations regarding the age of Bona as people automatically having prejudices against youth players originated from Africa as soon as they see them playing in European competitions. His appearance tells me he is a really 15-16 years old guy. I couldn't see any sign by looking at his appearance that indicates he is actually a bit older, especially after comparing him with some guys on French roster. I saw him playing 1,5 years ago aswell and he was way more skinny and childish at that time so that I didn't regard any age falsification accusing as possible at that time.

    Garuba case is different. He is listed as '00 born guy by Spanish Basketball Federation in some preparation tournaments, after some time he suddenly became belonging to '02 generation. That might be done accidently, but was enough for confusing people.

    The coach who scouted Bona is Türkay Çakıroğlu who is known as a youth basketball baron. He holds all professional rights of Bona and he is the partner of a basketball agent. He individually practices with Bona all day long, spends his full time action on this guy. They probably see him as a gem and want him to reach the maximum to get the 'maximum on him'. Mutual benefit.
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    The thing is Bona knows what a chance he got by being discovered at that age. I know stories that Giannis didnt take a taxi to training when he was a rookie in Milwaukee in order to be able to send money to his family in greece. This kid left his 4 other siblings in Nigeria and came with his mom to turkey and his biggest goal is to be a professional and take his family to him. He has no chance to be lazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slice me nice View Post
    There will be always speculations regarding the age of Bona as people automatically having prejudices against youth players originated from Africa as soon as they see them playing in European competitions. His appearance tells me he is a really 15-16 years old guy. I couldn't see any sign by looking at his appearance that indicates he is actually a bit older, especially after comparing him with some guys on French roster. I saw him playing 1,5 years ago aswell and he was way more skinny and childish at that time so that I didn't regard any age falsification accusing as possible at that time.

    Garuba case is different. He is listed as '00 born guy by Spanish Basketball Federation in some preparation tournaments, after some time he suddenly became belonging to '02 generation. That might be done accidently, but was enough for confusing people.
    Yeah some kids just develop faster. The controversy around Garuba is just silly, the kid was born in Spain, people seriously think they changed his age? For what purpose? So that they would win a few more youth competitions? Really? I don't get why people get worked up about age so much (probably prejudices like you said), the point of youth basketball is not to win, it is to develop players that can play on your senior team. If like Yi Jianlian, there is a likely age discrepancy, then how did the Chinese basketball team ever benefit from that? He still is the same player. Now the Bucks, who drafted him, might have an argument here, since they thought he had more upside than he actually had, but not the Chinese.

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    OK, LTU managed to win against Slovenia in the last quarter. We had almost the game between two bigs in the first co. Serbia vs. LTU but now Greece vs LTU and Serbia vs. Slovenia in the brother game.

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    Very nice win by GRE today against a tall LTU team that thoroughly outrebounded us. LTU had a problem with their outside shot until the 4th quarter when they hit a few threes to make it close until GRE pulled away again. The Greek coach used a zone defense and a full court press to force turnovers and limit LTU's inside game. A great game plan. I was impressed by Bazinas who was 9/10 from FT line, Oikonomopoulos who was good defensively and was 4/8 from 3, Mantzoukas who showed a nice touch inside although he also missed some easy shots in the paint.

    Worth remembering that we lost to LTU twice in preparation phase, so this win shows nice growth by these youngsters.

    Up next a very tough ITA team who will have the crowd on their side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christodoulou76 View Post
    Very nice win by GRE today against a tall LTU team that thoroughly outrebounded us. LTU had a problem with their outside shot until the 4th quarter when they hit a few threes to make it close until GRE pulled away again. The Greek coach used a zone defense and a full court press to force turnovers and limit LTU's inside game. A great game plan. I was impressed by Bazinas who was 9/10 from FT line, Oikonomopoulos who was good defensively and was 4/8 from 3, Mantzoukas who showed a nice touch inside although he also missed some easy shots in the paint.

    Worth remembering that we lost to LTU twice in preparation phase, so this win shows nice growth by these youngsters.

    Up next a very tough ITA team who will have the crowd on their side.
    Congrats! Now Greece has a real chance to beat the host and become semi finalist. Hope we can make our postponed final game real this time

    Serbia must play against Spain tomorrow (first game) und Turkey vs Russia. Wont be easy games.

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    Turkey - Russia game is going to be the 24th consecutive Quarter-Final appearance of Turkish U-16 teams being valid from 1987. Impressive stats. In return, this also shows that how we rot our talents unmercifully as we are not advanced in player development.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slice me nice View Post
    Turkey - Russia game is going to be the 24th consecutive Quarter-Final appearance of Turkish U-16 teams being valid from 1987. Impressive stats. In return, this also shows that how we rot our talents unmercifully as we are not advanced in player development.
    This and imo the families who cant deal with the talents of their children. Turkish families spoil their children too much. They never learn to compete or to solve a problem by themselves. Many of the kids cant also deal with the high expectations of their families.

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    I dissapointed by our team. This generation supposed to be good judging by everything including friendlies games before the champ and some other tournaments before that. But in EC everything appeared bad: game, result, individual performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christodoulou76 View Post
    Very nice win by GRE today against a tall LTU team that thoroughly outrebounded us. LTU had a problem with their outside shot until the 4th quarter when they hit a few threes to make it close until GRE pulled away again. The Greek coach used a zone defense and a full court press to force turnovers and limit LTU's inside game. A great game plan. I was impressed by Bazinas who was 9/10 from FT line, Oikonomopoulos who was good defensively and was 4/8 from 3, Mantzoukas who showed a nice touch inside although he also missed some easy shots in the paint.

    Worth remembering that we lost to LTU twice in preparation phase, so this win shows nice growth by these youngsters.

    Up next a very tough ITA team who will have the crowd on their side.
    Great composure from the Greek team, and it was impressive to see how they controlled the game in a senior level fashion.
    Zone is usually very effective in youth tournaments, yes.
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    just when I thought what a great game it was between Serbia and Spain, the ref called a technical 1.9 sec left, at 71-71 in OT.

    it was the right call, technically, the Serbian player fell out of bounds while trying to challenge the inbounding player, but come on! totally spoilt it!
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    How said. Serbia made in the first overtime a three and 2 seconds were left and a Serbian player jumped uncontrolled all the time and touched the line with his foot. Spain won.

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