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    Darussafaka recently announced that they will play in the Basketball Champions League from next season. They cited financial reasons in addition to it being a sporting decision. Obviously the scheduling of the Bologna game in Belgrade was a big part in their decision too.

    Rytas have also confirmed that they will join the BCL. They listed the same reasons as Dacka for defecting. Lietkabelis are hoping to replace them in EuroCup.

    Bilbao committed too.

    FIBA are also trying to convince Galatasaray and have invited Partizan, Cedevita Olimpija and Buducnost as well.

    I think as Sportando noted, Partizan seem unlikely to accept this invitation at this stage but these are quite significant moves FIBA are making. All these teams have a history of playing in ECA competitions and you have to wonder what this means for the future of the EuroCup. If the rich Russian teams like Loko and UNICS and/or the Spanish teams ever give up on the golden ticket of a Euroleague place, this competition is in serious trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazz View Post
    Darussafaka recently announced that they will play in the Basketball Champions League from next season. They cited financial reasons in addition to it being a sporting decision. Obviously the scheduling of the Bologna game in Belgrade was a big part in their decision too.

    Rytas have also confirmed that they will join the BCL. They listed the same reasons as Dacka for defecting. Lietkabelis are hoping to replace them in EuroCup.

    Bilbao committed too.

    FIBA are also trying to convince Galatasaray and have invited Partizan, Cedevita Olimpija and Buducnost as well.

    I think as Sportando noted, Partizan seem unlikely to accept this invitation at this stage but these are quite significant moves FIBA are making. All these teams have a history of playing in ECA competitions and you have to wonder what this means for the future of the EuroCup. If the rich Russian teams like Loko and UNICS and/or the Spanish teams ever give up on the golden ticket of a Euroleague place, this competition is in serious trouble.
    Wow...That's interesting stuff......

    Partizan looking like they're headed to the Turkish Airlines League next year.....To see them in the BCL instead would be crazy...

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    Fiba will pay crazy money for its participants. You can get up to 1,5 million euros depending on your ranking in the domestic league aaaand Dacka was angry on Eurocup officials for letting them playing in Serbia instead of Germany against Bologna.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman365 View Post
    Wow...That's interesting stuff......

    Partizan looking like they're headed to the Turkish Airlines League next year.....To see them in the BCL instead would be crazy...
    Yeah, I don't think Partizan are expected to accept the offer but it shows FIBA's ambitions.

    Gman, do you watch many BCL games?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman365 View Post
    Wow...That's interesting stuff......

    Partizan looking like they're headed to the Turkish Airlines League next year.....To see them in the BCL instead would be crazy...
    Absolutely impossible. Don't get me wrong, I would wish Partizan to play BCL against BC Vaduz and Partizani Tirana but unfortunately they will stay with ULEB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katastroika View Post
    Absolutely impossible. Don't get me wrong, I would wish Partizan to play BCL against BC Vaduz and Partizani Tirana but unfortunately they will stay with ULEB.

    Here here! Partizan won't play against some Anwil Włocławek, that would be ridiculous, they will play against Arka Gdynia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katastroika View Post
    Absolutely impossible. Don't get me wrong, I would wish Partizan to play BCL against BC Vaduz and Partizani Tirana but unfortunately they will stay with ULEB.
    Never heard of these teams in BCL. Its more like Brose Bamberg, AEK Athens and Bandirma.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toruko View Post
    Never heard of these teams in BCL. Its more like Brose Bamberg, AEK Athens and Bandirma.
    Great. Brose lost it's main sponsor last week and will fight for it's license more than in great BCL, AEK is literally a shadow of itself and Bandirma is mainly known because of you outside Turkey.

    FIBA messed it up and FIBA is responsible for all this mess because of their license selling to ULEB 20 years ago. Whether people like it or not, Euroleague is a different parallel advanced universe for FIBA and it will stay like this forever. It should be forbidden by decrete that FIBA hosts any kind of important tournaments. I am no fan of this situation like it is right now but speaking about my club I 100% chose Eurocup over BCL and I think that 100% of responsible fans of other teams will agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuDux View Post
    Here here! Partizan won't play against some Anwil Włocławek, that would be ridiculous, they will play against Arka Gdynia
    I told you before, my friend, I would personally congratulate all my friends that are Partizan fans for participating. It would be too much to tell it is a wish, but if I would decide, they would play it from tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katastroika View Post
    Great. Brose lost it's main sponsor last week and will fight for it's license more than in great BCL, AEK is literally a shadow of itself and Bandirma is mainly known because of you outside Turkey.

    FIBA messed it up and FIBA is responsible for all this mess because of their license selling to ULEB 20 years ago. Whether people like it or not, Euroleague is a different parallel advanced universe for FIBA and it will stay like this forever. It should be forbidden by decrete that FIBA hosts any kind of important tournaments. I am no fan of this situation like it is right now but speaking about my club I 100% chose Eurocup over BCL and I think that 100% of responsible fans of other teams will agree.
    The BCL is definitely attracting decent clubs and diluting the overall quality of the EuroCup. None of these teams would have been defecting if it was still the EuroChallenge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazz View Post
    The BCL is definitely attracting decent clubs and diluting the overall quality of the EuroCup. None of these teams would have been defecting if it was still the EuroChallenge.
    Generally the quality of European club's basketball is heavily declining. Of course, here the responsibility can be given to ULEB with this A license criteria, it can be given to many young players leaving for NBA and it can be given to an overall lowering of financial possibilities of mid-tear clubs. Compared to the 90s the situation is really bad.

    The Eurocup as a Eurocup was this year maybe the weakest Eurocup in it's history. Just compare the team's rosters now and 5 years ago. It's not even worth thinking about it. I mean, Partizan was the best team this year, what are we even speaking about? There were some good games, but quality was pretty bad. And for BCL? What's the target? Taking mid-tear teams to their main competition to do what? Weaken EL? Weaken ULEB? How? ULEB is financially save compared to FIBA. It guarantee's at least some kind of rewards and professional advance of basketball in Europe.

    In an ideal world it would be like under UEFA's radar but people forgot the responsibility of FIBA in this mess and now that ULEB developed something and started at least TRYING to make SOME KIND OF money out of it - they want it back? Okay, but bankrupt clubs from Germany and Bilbao won't help in this fight. Ideal solution would be arrangement between FIBA and ULEB - often spoken about, not possible to arrange. So this status quo will be stay the same. And I am pretty sure that BCL will take long long time to reach EC level even in this year's quality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazz View Post
    Yeah, I don't think Partizan are expected to accept the offer but it shows FIBA's ambitions.

    Gman, do you watch many BCL games?
    I did at one time....Especially during their inaugural season......Was actually a pretty fun league....

    I remember one game specifically when ČEZ Nymburk played the Helios Suns in Slovenia.....The Suns had three 17 year old players getting significant playing time and that team was just very very weak in general......Was such a soft spread that ČEZ Nymburk just basically had to win the game......Was an easy win.

    I might follow it again at some point...We'll see....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katastroika View Post
    Generally the quality of European club's basketball is heavily declining. Of course, here the responsibility can be given to ULEB with this A license criteria, it can be given to many young players leaving for NBA and it can be given to an overall lowering of financial possibilities of mid-tear clubs. Compared to the 90s the situation is really bad.

    The Eurocup as a Eurocup was this year maybe the weakest Eurocup in it's history. Just compare the team's rosters now and 5 years ago. It's not even worth thinking about it. I mean, Partizan was the best team this year, what are we even speaking about? There were some good games, but quality was pretty bad. And for BCL? What's the target? Taking mid-tear teams to their main competition to do what? Weaken EL? Weaken ULEB? How? ULEB is financially save compared to FIBA. It guarantee's at least some kind of rewards and professional advance of basketball in Europe.

    In an ideal world it would be like under UEFA's radar but people forgot the responsibility of FIBA in this mess and now that ULEB developed something and started at least TRYING to make SOME KIND OF money out of it - they want it back? Okay, but bankrupt clubs from Germany and Bilbao won't help in this fight. Ideal solution would be arrangement between FIBA and ULEB - often spoken about, not possible to arrange. So this status quo will be stay the same. And I am pretty sure that BCL will take long long time to reach EC level even in this year's quality.
    I'm no fan of FIBA either but it says something that these teams see that they are better off financially in the BCL. And haven't the A-Licenses been a huge factor in diminishing domestic leagues and hurting those mid tier teams?

    I agree that Partizan was the best team. Bologna underachieved quite dramatically considering their roster and other teams like Loko did too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman365 View Post
    I did at one time....Especially during their inaugural season......Was actually a pretty fun league....

    I remember one game specifically when ČEZ Nymburk played the Helios Suns in Slovenia.....The Suns had three 17 year old players getting significant playing time and that team was just very very weak in general......Was such a soft spread that ČEZ Nymburk just basically had to win the game......Was an easy win.

    I might follow it again at some point...We'll see....
    There's so many Euroleague games on Tuesdays and Wednesdays on the double game weeks in addition to the weekly Eurocup games, so there's always a lot of other options on at the same time as the BCL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazz View Post
    I'm no fan of FIBA either but it says something that these teams see that they are better off financially in the BCL. And haven't the A-Licenses been a huge factor in diminishing domestic leagues and hurting those mid tier teams?

    I agree that Partizan was the best team. Bologna underachieved quite dramatically considering their roster and other teams like Loko did too.
    There would be a lot to say on this issue. As written above I agree that closing EL was a bad move but by following this issue from the very beginning and the legendary season with two parallel Euroleagues/Suproleagues and especially watching how FIBA tried to manouvre themselves back into the spotlight in the last 3-4 years I hate myself for saying that I wish that Jordi Bartomeu stays on top for many years in organizing top European basketball. For myself I think that it is impossible to make a competition construct like in football where teams from all countries participate and to be financially solid in European basketball.

    It's a mixture of many ingredients that shows all weaknesses and painpoints of European basketball in general at the moment but thinking that Bilbao and financially broken Bamberg will lead to some kind of revolution in competition structure of BCL in comparison to EC (not to speak EL, this would be really not normal) is simply a short term strategy without any outcome. I understand Darussafaka's angryness, Rytas' issues are a little overreaction, but well, also understandable, but I am quite sure that both of them will come back under ULEB's radar in a maximum of 2 years. It's simply - by far - a worse competition. It affects so many things, TV money, sponsors, reputation (for free agents), interest of public and fans. I remember when one Serbian team played this FIBA CL people hardly knew when they are playing and we are really crazy for basketball here.

    I always said that incorporation of ULEB into FIBA in Europe would be the best solution to both and for national federations and national teams but FIBA behaves like a drunken dictator that lost all support but thinks he rules the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katastroika View Post
    Great. Brose lost it's main sponsor last week and will fight for it's license more than in great BCL, AEK is literally a shadow of itself and Bandirma is mainly known because of you outside Turkey.

    FIBA messed it up and FIBA is responsible for all this mess because of their license selling to ULEB 20 years ago. Whether people like it or not, Euroleague is a different parallel advanced universe for FIBA and it will stay like this forever. It should be forbidden by decrete that FIBA hosts any kind of important tournaments. I am no fan of this situation like it is right now but speaking about my club I 100% chose Eurocup over BCL and I think that 100% of responsible fans of other teams will agree.
    I never realized that you were so conceited. I suppose you are hardcore Partizan fan. I like it though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toruko View Post
    I never realized that you were so conceited. I suppose you are hardcore Partizan fan. I like it though.
    1) Calling me a fan of something evil for humanity like Partizan is really something what will stay in my mind even I like your posts and craziness about basketball a lot. Even as a joke. Better use swearwords on me than bringing me in any context with them. I even have problems to put a smiley after this. I really don't like them.
    2) I had to look up what "conceited" means. Such things are always difficult to analyze by yourself so I think I have to accept this stigma. Here the smiley is no problem.

    Cheers to the family. Good to see you all. Can't wait for basketball again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katastroika View Post
    There would be a lot to say on this issue. As written above I agree that closing EL was a bad move but by following this issue from the very beginning and the legendary season with two parallel Euroleagues/Suproleagues and especially watching how FIBA tried to manouvre themselves back into the spotlight in the last 3-4 years I hate myself for saying that I wish that Jordi Bartomeu stays on top for many years in organizing top European basketball. For myself I think that it is impossible to make a competition construct like in football where teams from all countries participate and to be financially solid in European basketball.

    It's a mixture of many ingredients that shows all weaknesses and painpoints of European basketball in general at the moment but thinking that Bilbao and financially broken Bamberg will lead to some kind of revolution in competition structure of BCL in comparison to EC (not to speak EL, this would be really not normal) is simply a short term strategy without any outcome. I understand Darussafaka's angryness, Rytas' issues are a little overreaction, but well, also understandable, but I am quite sure that both of them will come back under ULEB's radar in a maximum of 2 years. It's simply - by far - a worse competition. It affects so many things, TV money, sponsors, reputation (for free agents), interest of public and fans. I remember when one Serbian team played this FIBA CL people hardly knew when they are playing and we are really crazy for basketball here.

    I always said that incorporation of ULEB into FIBA in Europe would be the best solution to both and for national federations and national teams but FIBA behaves like a drunken dictator that lost all support but thinks he rules the country.
    I wasn't aware of Bamberg's current situation but they seemed pretty stable before they moved over to the BCL. At the time it seemed like a major coup for FIBA. Is it just the withdrawal of their sponsor or are there other issues there? German sporting teams in general are noted for being very sensible with their spending.

    I actually find it mind boggling that the (4th tier!) FIBA Europe Cup exists. I have no idea about the format of that competition but I wouldn't be surprised if teams were losing money to compete in it.

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    They're leaving Bamberg BC at end of June, Brose as a company was heavily hit by the COVID-19 crisis. Bamberg literally grew into their company's team. Even both sides try to calm down they can't compensate this issue and I think that moving into BCL shows that they lost aspirations in top basketball rather than some romantical switch to FIBA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katastroika View Post
    They're leaving Bamberg BC at end of June, Brose as a company was heavily hit by the COVID-19 crisis. Bamberg literally grew into their company's team. Even both sides try to calm down they can't compensate this issue and I think that moving into BCL shows that they lost aspirations in top basketball rather than some romantical switch to FIBA.
    Thanks for the info about Brose, that's a shame for all concerned. Hopefully the club can survive in some form because their fans are amazing.

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