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    Dude you have serious issues. I said that DESPITE adding DeColo Fener is having terrible issues in the backcourt. Not just problems with the bigs. Guduric was a perfect fit for the system and yes Fener misses him. Nando DeColo is a guy that gets his always, not always the best teammate or the player that plays for others. Keep that in mind in the years to come while he is there.

    Systematically overrating? Who did I overrate? I am one of the most critical posters on all IBN, the least hype stuff about youth guys are well. I assess prospects very realistically, and point out their flaws. It's a problem that guys like you (others as well) find it difficult to take that because you have a boner for a player and then you get discussions like this. Furkan is finally getting minutes in his third year in NBA, as a sixth man. Whether he will stick, we will see. Also 37.7% is not anywhere close to 40%. The kid has a good shot, and that is about it. So many stories about his play with the ball, creation by many posters and of course there is no sign of that. Defense is laughable. Here is a small challenge, list me 10 Sixth Man guys in the NBA that are worse than Furkan Korkmaz.

    It is irrelevant because that kid did NOTHING for the senior team of Fener and he is still playing against kids. Playing with 18-21yrs olds and he CONSTANTLY struggles against top opposition in the NCAA. He is talented, so are many others. He is not nearly in the first tier of European talents, questionably whether he is in the second. The career he will have is YET TO BE ESTABLISHED. When you get that, maybe you will understand. Popping 20 pts on a 6-6 center from Burton College or playing against a 10-year ver of European leagues. Those are different planets. I don't believe that Yurtseven would do shit in EL at his skill level now. Many would agree.

    Also, being disrespectful is your choice. You can call Serbian league trash. Guduric has proven himself in Euroleague for 4 seasons, never playing under 15 minutes with a significant role for both Zvezda and Fenerbahce. He is a member of Serbian NT. His career is very solid, he got that NBA contract because of it and even played 15 minutes a game for 27 games this season. I didn't expect him to get those minutes, as I never saw him as a NBA type of player. Even if he flames out, he will always have a solid career in Europe. If you think that career is trash, then Yurtseven's current career is that he missed a sport. He is playing voleyball.
    Haha you’re so funny coach Goksenin. I have issues yeah, that’s why I’m under the zvezda thread talking down on Serbian prospects and nba players. Hahaha. And you are indeed very critical when it comes to Turkish players... like that time you project Furkan to bust and find himself in Europe again. But the truth is he suffered 2 big injuries in both his first 2 seasons, and still knocked his way up to a reasonable position on a tricky team. And he’s still younger than Guduric. Yeah I’ve seen what your critical nonsense is worth. You also were challenging me saying Turkey was gold favorite for u18 last summer, but we actually nearly got gold if it wasn’t for the referee and Serbia again was nowhere.

    You’re always critical against my favorite prospects for some reason, but at the end I’m the one who ends up being correct. I didnt forget your optimistic tone regarding Guduric, so why does he play 3 mins a game haha. He has proven what in Europe? I can count the great performances he had in the Euroleague on one hand, and that’s because coach kept putting him out there despite his obvious shortcomings. But what do you expect from a bias-scout like Obradovic, he’s literally paying 2M to this Lauvergne because he has a Partizan tattoo on his arm, in the meantime received less added value from him than he would from an average CL center of 300-500k. On top of that Asvel steals the current rebound leader of the Euroleague right from under his nose out of the Turkish league, and probably pays him half of what Lauvergne receives. This Obradovic is a total disaster when it comes to team building... simply being signed with Fener doesn’t mean you have proven anything. As someone who has watched every Fener game Guduric has played in... he hasn’t proven shit and was only there because he is Serbian. Unfortunately for Markomark the Grizzlies dont have a Serb head coach to give him those undeserved minutes to make you believe he has also “proven himself” in the NBA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Furkan Korkmaz View Post
    Haha you’re so funny coach Goksenin. I have issues yeah, that’s why I’m under the zvezda thread talking down on Serbian prospects and nba players. Hahaha. And you are indeed very critical when it comes to Turkish players... like that time you project Furkan to bust and find himself in Europe again. But the truth is he suffered 2 big injuries in both his first 2 seasons, and still knocked his way up to a reasonable position on a tricky team. And he’s still younger than Guduric. Yeah I’ve seen what your critical nonsense is worth. You also were challenging me saying Turkey was gold favorite for u18 last summer, but we actually nearly got gold if it wasn’t for the referee and Serbia again was nowhere.

    You’re always critical against my favorite prospects for some reason, but at the end I’m the one who ends up being correct. I didnt forget your optimistic tone regarding Guduric, so why does he play 3 mins a game haha. He has proven what in Europe? I can count the great performances he had in the Euroleague on one hand, and that’s because coach kept putting him out there despite his obvious shortcomings. But what do you expect from a bias-scout like Obradovic, he’s literally paying 2M to this Lauvergne because he has a Partizan tattoo on his arm, in the meantime received less added value from him than he would from an average CL center of 300-500k. On top of that Asvel steals the current rebound leader of the Euroleague right from under his nose out of the Turkish league, and probably pays him half of what Lauvergne receives. This Obradovic is a total disaster when it comes to team building... simply being signed with Fener doesn’t mean you have proven anything. As someone who has watched every Fener game Guduric has played in... he hasn’t proven shit and was only there because he is Serbian. Unfortunately for Markomark the Grizzlies dont have a Serb head coach to give him those undeserved minutes to make you believe he has also “proven himself” in the NBA.
    Hahah. Pure gold. If you ever decide to use facts, we can talk until then just enjoy your echo chamber. The time will tell about everything.

    Also, I am critical of all prospects but you are obviously gay for some of them, and that makes you write these "look at me, look at me" posts.

    Anyway, some of your fellow countrymen have pretty much gotten the point, but you haven't. I can't fight genetics and mental capacity. I am not a superhero...

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    Nunnally interview.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoachZ View Post
    Hahah. Pure gold. If you ever decide to use facts, we can talk until then just enjoy your echo chamber. The time will tell about everything.

    Also, I am critical of all prospects but you are obviously gay for some of them, and that makes you write these "look at me, look at me" posts.

    Anyway, some of your fellow countrymen have pretty much gotten the point, but you haven't. I can't fight genetics and mental capacity. I am not a superhero...
    I cant decide whether I like or hate you Coach G. What kind of fallacy filled empty mumbo jumbo is this? You never tackle the points I bring up, but come with weird boner stories... because I sympathize with one of our NBA players lmao. I thought we were adults here. You also insinuate I’m some forum troll with my hardly 20 posts... strictly about TURKISH matters.

    We Turks can’t even compliment our players among ourselves without you jumping out marginalizing them. And I did check your profile out of curiosity, you’re not like this on threads related to other countries. I just think you have a massive complex with us, which is fine, I understand we Turks are fun to be around. But you should atleast come with something more creative than suggesting I’m sexually attracted to Furkan lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Furkan Korkmaz View Post
    I cant decide whether I like or hate you Coach G. What kind of fallacy filled empty mumbo jumbo is this? You never tackle the points I bring up, but come with weird boner stories... because I sympathize with one of our NBA players lmao. I thought we were adults here. You also insinuate I’m some forum troll with my hardly 20 posts... strictly about TURKISH matters.

    We Turks can’t even compliment our players among ourselves without you jumping out marginalizing them. And I did check your profile out of curiosity, you’re not like this on threads related to other countries. I just think you have a massive complex with us, which is fine, I understand we Turks are fun to be around. But you should atleast come with something more creative than suggesting I’m sexually attracted to Furkan lol.
    You can ask our Lithuanian friends about that for example. I often commented on their talents in the past, always had good discussions without this craze. We didn't always agree, but it never gets like this.

    I get that Turkish guys have a more hot-headed mentality and tend to go apeshit, but I really don't care for that. Even in the youth tournament topics last summer I wrote nice things about Turkish players I like or bad things about those I don't. I did the same for Greek kids, yet noone really had an issue with that. Always the same shit comes up with a few Turkish posters. Why is that? I think you are a smart guy and figure this one out.

    I get that you guys have a chip on your shoulder and have something to prove, still there is no reason to go apeshit about kids playing basketball and prospects. Time always tells. Everybody makes mistakes and bad judgments. I know I do. I always thought for example that Rakocevic will be shit player. I thought that there is no chance that Tony Parker will make it in the NBA. I also was right a number of times. Over the years and experience, I mostly do figure it out correctly. When I am not right I have no trouble to admit it, and I don't feel about it. Life goes on, impossible to predict everything. Injuries, motivation, character all are things that you can't see day-to-day with kids. Skills are more obvious, so I rely on those.

    Obviously boner and gay stuff is a joke. It's connected to the hardcore stances you have about Furkan. Surely, only his mother or girlfriend will go to those extremes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoachZ View Post
    You can ask our Lithuanian friends about that for example. I often commented on their talents in the past, always had good discussions without this craze. We didn't always agree, but it never gets like this.

    I get that Turkish guys have a more hot-headed mentality and tend to go apeshit, but I really don't care for that. Even in the youth tournament topics last summer I wrote nice things about Turkish players I like or bad things about those I don't. I did the same for Greek kids, yet noone really had an issue with that. Always the same shit comes up with a few Turkish posters. Why is that? I think you are a smart guy and figure this one out.

    I get that you guys have a chip on your shoulder and have something to prove, still there is no reason to go apeshit about kids playing basketball and prospects. Time always tells. Everybody makes mistakes and bad judgments. I know I do. I always thought for example that Rakocevic will be shit player. I thought that there is no chance that Tony Parker will make it in the NBA. I also was right a number of times. Over the years and experience, I mostly do figure it out correctly. When I am not right I have no trouble to admit it, and I don't feel about it. Life goes on, impossible to predict everything. Injuries, motivation, character all are things that you can't see day-to-day with kids. Skills are more obvious, so I rely on those.

    Obviously boner and gay stuff is a joke. It's connected to the hardcore stances you have about Furkan. Surely, only his mother or girlfriend will go to those extremes.
    Just as I expected, more finger pointing. This particular trait of yours seems like a bottomless pit. “Hardcore stances, going apeshit “... If I’d ask what kind of hardcore stance I took or where I’m going “apeshit” you would just ignore the question and talk some more nonsense. It’s all in your mind buddy. Sure you have some posts of analytic nature, those are not nearly as confrontational as showing up and just calling someone trash. Yeah ok Furkan showed nothing all his life and is awful, while Guduric has this amazing career and might gradually become an NBA starter. Whatever floats your boat, I’ll leave it for what it is.

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    Fenerbahçe 94 - 83 İTÜ




    Vesely returned with 8 pts, 6 reb, 7 ast.

    Because of the stupid foreign players limitation, the players we choose to play today ; Westermann, Nunnally, Lauvergne, Vesely, Kalinic.

    The foreign players that waited outside; Nando, Thomas, Datome, Williams, Sloukas.

    With Thomas and Nunnally additions, and now Lauvergne and Vesely returned, our roster has become very very deep. If we can reach at 6-8 spots in EL playoffs, anything can happen when we become at full force.
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    Fenerbahçe won the Turkish cup, this is the twice in a row after 2019.

    We should've played better, although Daçka really played well (they also eliminated Efes before). The referees were also bad, they didn't give an obvious technical foul to a Daçka player that made to Vesely and then they didn't give a basket plus foul in the last quarter to Vesely once again, Vesely also didn't even touch Johnny Hamilton in one position yet they call it basket plus foul which was one of the reasons that why Vesely made his fifth foul early.
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    Dacka was robbed at the end. Vesely had an unsportsmanlike against Kartal. Hamilton pushed him after that and he flopped. Fener deserves to be disadvantaged of Euroleague refs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toruko View Post
    Dacka was robbed at the end. Vesely had an unsportsmanlike against Kartal. Hamilton pushed him after that and he flopped. Fener deserves to be disadvantaged of Euroleague refs.
    How so? They even call a bullshit technical foul to Kalinic, and then they call a foul to Datome during the free throws where he barely touch the guy. Vesely also didn't even touch Hamilton in one position and they call it basket plus foul.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tevfik1907 View Post
    How so? They even call a bullshit technical foul to Kalinic, and then they call a foul to Datome during the free throws where he barely touch the guy. Vesely also didn't even touch Hamilton in one position and they call it basket plus foul.
    They were misscalls on both sides but Fener was advantages because the refs know Fener wont win anything else this season. Fenerbahce is just bad, really bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toruko View Post
    They were misscalls on both sides but Fener was advantages because the refs know Fener wont win anything else this season. Fenerbahce is just bad, really bad.
    You can look at the video above, --11:19-- ,

    That's also an obvious basket plus foul, but they didn't give it. And it was crucial because the score was 66-66 and it was 01:09 left in the 4th quarter. Vesely got mad after they didn't give that, (and before that he didn't touch Hamilton but they give basket plus foul) I can't even blame Vesely for getting mad after these ridiculous calls.

    Well, Efes also lost to the same team, so I wouldn't be too sure. Daçka plays very well. Also don't be so certain about the BSL, Fener always has the supporter advantage against Efes, once De Colo, Datome and Sloukas gets better, the things will be different. And Datome was good in this game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tevfik1907 View Post
    You can look at the video above, 11:19, that's also an obvious basket plus foul, but they didn't give it. And it was crucial because the score was 66-66. Vesely got mad after they didn't give that, (and before that he didn't touch Hamilton but they give basket plus foul) I can't even blame Vesely for getting mad after these ridiculous calls.

    Well, Efes also lost the same team, so I wouldn't be too sure. Daçka plays very well. Also don't be so certain about the BSL, Fener always has the supporter advantage against Efes, once De Colo, Datome and Sloukas gets better, the things will be different. And Datome was good in this game.
    Nobody cares for this cup because there is no money to get and no eurocup spot. Supporter advantage...

    Efes is 10 times better than Fenerbahce. Nobody was good in this game. De Colo has no role, Kalinic cant put the ball into the basket, Sloukas defense is beyond shit, and he causes many many Turnovers, Datome cant make open shots, team rebounding is bad, shooting is bad, defense especially with De Colo + Sloukas is bad. This is a bunch of mediocre players who are in addition got too old.

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    They even put that position in the official video;



    -- 4:25 -- it's a clear basket plus foul.

    Quote Originally Posted by Toruko View Post
    Nobody cares for this cup because there is no money to get and no eurocup spot. Supporter advantage...

    Efes is 10 times better than Fenerbahce. Nobody was good in this game. De Colo has no role, Kalinic cant put the ball into the basket, Sloukas defense is beyond shit, and he causes many many Turnovers, Datome cant make open shots, team rebounding is bad, shooting is bad, defense especially with De Colo + Sloukas is bad. This is a bunch of mediocre players who are in addition got too old.
    If Efes is 10 times then they should've won the cup When Larkin isn't good or when he is injured, Efes is definitey not better than us.

    Datome made at least 2 good shots, but he could be better. Kalinic made a good defense on this game. Sloukas wasn't good but he was the master of free throws, he didn't miss any free throw in crucial moments.

    De Colo also has good moments in this game but whenever he gets his scoring rhythm, Obra benched him for some reason (perhaps he thought that was outside of the system,)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tevfik1907 View Post
    They even put that position in the official video;



    ---4:25--- it's a clear basket plus foul.



    If Efes is 10 times then they should've won the cup When Larkin isn't good or when he is injured, Efes is definitey not better than us.

    Datome made at least 2 good shots, but he could be better. Kalinic made a good defense on this game. Sloukas wasn't good but he was the master of free throws, he didn't miss any free throw in crucial moments.

    De Colo also has good moments in this game but whenever he gets his scoring rhythm, Obra benched him for some reason (perhaps he thought that was outside of their system,)
    Wow what an achievement. Datome made 2 shots. Nothing can go wrong then. Efes won the league last season and is great without Dunston and Moerman. This season they have also Singleton and better team chemistry. There is no way Efes could lose to Fener in 4 winning games. I consider even Karsiyaka stronger but well see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toruko View Post
    Wow what an achievement. Datome made 2 shots. Nothing can go wrong then. Efes won the league last season and is great without Dunston and Moerman. This season they have also Singleton and better team chemistry. There is no way Efes could lose to Fener in 4 winning games. I consider even Karsiyaka stronger but well see.
    And how did Efes win the BSL in the last season? They lose 3 games to Fener, and they win the second game in the last second due to Melli missing the winning shot.

    We didn't even have a center (No Vesely, not even Lauvergne and Thomas) in the last season final, and Datome played only 1 game after his injury. If you think that's a success (beating center-less, and Datome-less Fener in 7 games) then you should think twice
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tevfik1907 View Post
    And how did Efes win the BSL in the last season? They lose 3 games to Fener, and they win the second game in the last second due to Melli missing the winning shot.

    We didn't even have a center (No Vesely, not even Lauvergne and Thomas) in the last season final, and Datome played only 1 game after his injury. If you think that's a success (beating center-less, and Datome-less Fener in 7 games) then you should think twice
    You had chemistry and a winner mentality. Efes was weaker in the paint and it was the first season of the team. Youll watch it this year anyway. Maybe also in Euroleague playoffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toruko View Post
    Nobody cares for this cup
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    If that's true, why did Ergin Ataman attack the referees?



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