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Thread: [2019 F4 Game 1] CSKA Moscow - Real Madrid

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    Default [2019 F4 Game 1] CSKA Moscow - Real Madrid

    CSKA with its history of F4 disappointments and Real gearing up for a back-to-back title. My pick is Real Madrid here.
    who do you pick and why?
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    We are in a good shape now. Campazzo is playing awesome (MVP of April in ACB and EL, and yesterday with more than 25 of PIR in Murcia), and Llull is back at least (good 1at half yesterday, bad 2nd).

    I think that losing both games in RS is something positive for us, although CSKA Will look for revange from last year's FF.

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    I am not at all sure that we will win. I'd rather say we have good chances.
    This is a strange season for CSKA, very unstable. So, it's better to remain humble. But the fact that we are underdogs in this SF may do us good.

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    Everything points to Real Madrid (hot, home soil) but CSKA matches up well with them and i think they pull this game out.
    De Colo looking like a version from a couple of years ago also helps.

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    If F4 is anywhere else in Spain but Basque I would vote for Real because homecourt is big adventage. But in this case we will have probably majority of Turkish fans and I am not sure that Real will feel like playing on their court. I think that CSKA has more weapons ans if Itoudis set smart game plan CSKA will win.

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    I go with CSKA, simply because their stars have high variance and I believe most of them will have a good game.
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    Causeur with 21 points in just 12 minutes today. He is now in FF mode...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Chacho View Post
    Causeur with 21 points in just 12 minutes today. He is now in FF mode...
    Vote for Real then, it's simple as that

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    Real is a better team, but everything is possible in one game. I don't count regular games, of course, it's a completely new story for both teams.

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    Real all the way in terms of everything basketball
    After our injuries F4 is futile, Real should be given the cup.

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    im slightly in favour of CSKA as they won both regular season games against madrid but anything can happen in final four

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    winner of this matchup will be the el champion in my opinion. if fener won't win it all (its kind of a miracle right now), i would like to see madrid champs again just because of mr. chacho and i dislike cska too much to support them in any competition.

    anyways i think madrid will beat cska by 5-10 points in the end.


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    I dont understand ,why people thinks Real is favourite .Real has many player which passsed age peak, they have longer rotation,but undefined roles .Cska has players which arent show how they could ,but and further have capacity to achieve that .Itoudis is better coach than Lasso,this is my thinking .In Cska leaders are more constant .So ,if Cska dont repead former episodes on f4 twilight zone , they have more chances for win ,and by my opinion,they are first favourite for winning Euroleague .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nemanja View Post
    I dont understand ,why people thinks Real is favourite .Real has many player which passsed age peak, they have longer rotation,but undefined roles .Cska has players which arent show how they could ,but and further have capacity to achieve that .Itoudis is better coach than Lasso,this is my thinking .In Cska leaders are more constant .So ,if Cska dont repead former episodes on f4 twilight zone , they have more chances for win ,and by my opinion,they are first favourite for winning Euroleague .
    Itoudis being better coach than Laso is very debatable. And more important, you have forgotten one big Cska’s weakness, their front court. No other team in F4 has so big hole in their roster. Llull might be past his peak, so are Chacho and Nando btw, but it’s a big difference for Real, if he’s playing, because without him Campazzo has no replacement. So I wouldn’t put much weight on regular season games, especially when we’re talking about Cska.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer Bob View Post
    Itoudis being better coach than Laso is very debatable. And more important, you have forgotten one big Cska’s weakness, their front court. No other team in F4 has so big hole in their roster. Llull might be past his peak, so are Chacho and Nando btw, but it’s a big difference for Real, if he’s playing, because without him Campazzo has no replacement. So I wouldn’t put much weight on regular season games, especially when we’re talking about Cska.
    Its certain possibility ,you re right about roster and age of roster .I mentioned longer roster of Real .But,on f4 sometimes is easier with shorter roster.Cska had hole on postiion power forward ,on other positions,they are fulfilled .Clyburn is backup player nominally,but play 25 minutes on two positions . Fenerbahce without injuries hasnt longer roster in regard to Cska, but still won Euroleague ,Barcelona 2009-10 has preetty weaker backup players than starters .On f4 games, often is crucial pace or rhytme and its in some cases weaker reach with less players .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer Bob View Post
    Itoudis being better coach than Laso is very debatable. And more important, you have forgotten one big Cska’s weakness, their front court. No other team in F4 has so big hole in their roster. Llull might be past his peak, so are Chacho and Nando btw, but it’s a big difference for Real, if he’s playing, because without him Campazzo has no replacement. So I wouldn’t put much weight on regular season games, especially when we’re talking about Cska.
    CSKA is weak in frontcourt but their backcourt has enough firepower to supply two final-four teams.
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    so this one is gonna be a fight between front and backcourts. we will see which one decides the winner
    i think CSKA is slightly favorite because event the best frontcourts dont work when you dont have proper backcourts to make the plays
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    CSKA has the best backcourt, Real the best frontcourt, we have the best wings but now we are bird without wings, or at least without one What a joy for opponents

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    Advantage for Cska . They have leaders which are more reliable players than leaders in Real ,who are in fact almost dont exist .On other side Real had more unpredictabled players ,which could surpirsed positively ,Cska bearing burden series of loosing on f4 ,but Hines had 3 Euroelague trophy,player who could be very importan in clutch time,Rodriguez also could play close their high level,De Colo reached level in important games,which he hadnt 2 or 3 years ago .Higgins played very god previous final against Fenerbahce,also now is better player .Cska had divided roles and mostly reliable players ,which bearing their part of job ,excluding postion power forward .

    Real against Cska and Fenerbahce won 1 game ,loose in Copa del Rey ,where they have very good situation in 4rth quarter .Real delayed change of generation,Carrol 36 years,Reyes 39,Ayon 34,LLull 32,Causeur 32,Fernandez 34 ,under 30 they have Campazzo,Tavares,Thompkins who is on border,29,.All factors which I can consider on one or other side are on side Cska ,for example 57-43 or 58-42, I will be surprised if Real win .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nemanja View Post
    Advantage for Cska . They have leaders which are more reliable players than leaders in Real ,who are in fact almost dont exist .On other side Real had more unpredictabled players ,which could surpirsed positively ,Cska bearing burden series of loosing on f4 ,but Hines had 3 Euroelague trophy,player who could be very importan in clutch time,Rodriguez also could play close their high level,De Colo reached level in important games,which he hadnt 2 or 3 years ago .Higgins played very god previous final against Fenerbahce,also now is better player .Cska had divided roles and mostly reliable players ,which bearing their part of job ,excluding postion power forward .

    Real against Cska and Fenerbahce won 1 game ,loose in Copa del Rey ,where they have very good situation in 4rth quarter .Real delayed change of generation,Carrol 36 years,Reyes 39,Ayon 34,LLull 32,Causeur 32,Fernandez 34 ,under 30 they have Campazzo,Tavares,Thompkins who is on border,29,.All factors which I can consider on one or other side are on side Cska ,for example 57-43 or 58-42, I will be surprised if Real win .
    all this matches are very near to 50:50, Real having more fans this year won't harm them for sure.

    You were wrong in both(semis and finals) predictions about Real last year. Lets see how good you will be this year. To say that Cska is clear favourite is just wrong, even if Cska wins by 30. 1 match, 2 very good teams, can go in any direction. If anything, playing in Spain should give slightly advantage to Real. And don't forget, who is reigning champion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer Bob View Post
    all this matches are very near to 50:50, Real having more fans this year won't harm them for sure.

    You were wrong in both(semis and finals) predictions about Real last year. Lets see how good you will be this year. To say that Cska is clear favourite is just wrong, even if Cska wins by 30. 1 match, 2 very good teams, can go in any direction. If anything, playing in Spain should give slightly advantage to Real. And don't forget, who is reigning champion.
    Sincerely,I congratulate you on good memory .Almost I forget ,what i thought and wrote . Remind on wrong predictions always can could be used .Few past f4 I missed,2017 I thought final will be Cska-Real ,final was Fenerbahce-Olympiacos ,2016 by my onionion Fenerbahce was favourite .I correct predicte winning Real 2015 Panathinaikos 2011 its preetty weak I confess .

    About supporters, Real had advantage on one side,but supporters of Baskonia will cheer adversary of Real .I didnt said that Cska is clear favourite ,but it is favourite .

    Reigning champion .about that I will give advantage to Cska,because 3 clubs on this f4 are dominant in regard to others buth amongst themselves no one had strength to reign ,in the medium term ,so they are convicted on constant reversal ,and by this criterions,seems that time is mostly on side of Cska .Since 2000 till 2019 ,only Maccabi and Olympiacos won 2 consecutive Euroleague s ,doesnt mean Real isnt on level that repeat ,in some case could be happened,but I think is more probable what I wrote .

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