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Thread: [2019 F4 Game 1] Fenerbahce Beko - Anadolu Efes

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    Default [2019 F4 Game 1] Fenerbahce Beko - Anadolu Efes

    two Turkish teams in the F4 for the first time. Fener is clearly the favorite, but Efes has shown they can beat Fener this year (3W-3L).

    Who do you pick and why?
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    Of course, Fener is the favourite, but I voted for Efes because this year's team is more likeable. And if Ataman is really capable to live up to his promise, this will be a great game.

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    I like Fenerbahçe. Too much depth too many weapons. Anyone of 6 or 7 guys can have a big scoring game. Very hard to defend against a team like that. It will also be difficult for Larkin to continue his excellent play with all this time for preparation I am pretty sure Obradovic will not let him beat him and it will have to be somebody else.

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    I voted for Fener, though injuries could give chance to Efes.
    Still Fener has much more experience in F4 games and should win in low scoring game with hard defense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usagre View Post
    I like Fenerbahçe. Too much depth too many weapons. Anyone of 6 or 7 guys can have a big scoring game. Very hard to defend against a team like that. It will also be difficult for Larkin to continue his excellent play with all this time for preparation I am pretty sure Obradovic will not let him beat him and it will have to be somebody else.
    couldn't agree more.
    + i think efes is a predictable team and they don't really have alternative plans.
    fener just needs to fasten the bolts in perimeter defense and let either one of dixon, guduric, kalinic, kostas, vesely or even green to shine in offense to win the game.

    im expecting Obradovic to pull off another trick that we haven't seen before in the regular season. maybe green.

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    We need a healty Datome. The things can change due to injuries, we need a wait a little longer.
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    injury list in todays league game
    Tyler Ennis, Joffrey Lauvergne, Nikola Kalinic, Gigi Datome ve Jan Vesely

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    JL out for sure.
    Datome has maybe 10% to come back.
    Kalinic has 80%.

    All integral players to FB's game.
    I still believe FB will win, but it will be a close game, open to a surprise.

    gErgin will have to come up with a plan B though, and I have not seen him to come up with a better plan than shooting threes and praying.
    70% FB - 30% Efes

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    We need Datome more then ever and now this silly injury. Still I hope he will play, not because Efes but because final game if we pass.

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    fener is playing the league game with 5 guards now dixon, melih, sinan, sloukas and green
    and leading the game 44-36

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziya K View Post
    fener is playing the league game with 5 guards now dixon, melih, sinan, sloukas and green
    and leading the game 44-36
    and lost the game. What's your point? that either shows the Turkish league is a joke, or Obradovic is having fun. or both.

    if Fener is so good, they'll win the title, if not, they won't, regardless of your propaganda. Our impression here has zero impact.

    and hey, congrats on your riches on the bet. You should borrow some money to get even richer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuneyt View Post
    gErgin will have to come up with a plan B though, and I have not seen him to come up with a better plan than shooting threes and praying.
    70% FB - 30% Efes
    to be frank, 30% is generous.

    Fener has the intensity and the depth that can break Efes's somewhat fragile style. During the season, Efes could respond in-game troubles surprisingly well, but it did not happen in the playoffs. Very tough to do that vs Fener. So, Efes needs to start well and stay on that course for a win, imho. Rebounding is crucial, esp to take advantage of Fener's relatively weak transition defense, which we did not do well again in the POs.

    the main advantage maybe is being the underdog, and the consequent lack of mental load.
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    Today we lost to Banvit because of these massive injuries, Fenerbahçe Beko has turned into a fucking infirmary this season is a nightmare for us when it comes to that. 5 critical injuries, after Tyler breaking his leg, Lauvergne failed to return from a simple injury, adding that Kalinic, Vesely and Datome half of the team were injured.

    Others I can understand but Lauvergne completely fucked it up, either there is some wrong medical treatment happened or he didn't take care himself well and acted like an amateur. If it's the latter then we should seperate our ways with this guy, he is one of the top earners of the team, that was very critic after losing Tyler with an incredibly bad luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Levenspiel View Post
    and lost the game. What's your point? that either shows the Turkish league is a joke, or Obradovic is having fun. or both.

    if Fener is so good, they'll win the title, if not, they won't, regardless of your propaganda. Our impression here has zero impact.

    and hey, congrats on your riches on the bet. You should borrow some money to get even richer.
    You really need to chill out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tevfik1907 View Post
    Today we lost to Banvit because of these massive injuries, Fenerbahçe Beko has turned into a fucking infirmary this season is a nightmare for us when it comes to that. 5 critical injuries, after Tyler breaking his leg, Lauvergne failed to return from a simple injury, adding that Kalinic, Vesely and Datome half of the team were injured.

    Others I can understand but Lauvergne completely fucked it up, either there is some wrong medical treatment happened or he didn't take care himself well and acted like an amateur. If it's the latter then we should seperate our ways with this guy, he is one of the top earners of the team, that was very critic after losing Tyler with an incredibly bad luck.
    Lauvergne wasn't good even when he was healthy, so he should go after this season and we need to bring Ayon if possible. After Thompson second big miss with guys from NBA

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    after reading what coach obradovic said after banvit game, i don't see us beating efes in final four to be honest. he basically said that lauvergne is out in f4 and datome is more or less the same. and the situation of kalinic and vesely is also a big question mark.

    also lauvergne's situation is not about his injury anymore. at least that's what i heard.


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    Quote Originally Posted by janketa View Post
    Lauvergne wasn't good even when he was healthy, so he should go after this season and we need to bring Ayon if possible. After Thompson second big miss with guys from NBA
    Yeah, we need someone who is already adapted to Euroleague, we should go for Davies or Ayon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spittifiz View Post
    after reading what coach obradovic said after banvit game, i don't see us beating efes in final four to be honest. he basically said that lauvergne is out in f4 and datome is more or less the same. and the situation of kalinic and vesely is also a big question mark.

    also lauvergne's situation is not about his injury anymore. at least that's what i heard.
    Without Datome and Kalinic it would be miracle for us to win a game in F4, and I think Efes's betting odds against us will be lesser from now on, it was 4 or 5 iirc, they should give them 3 at least, 2.5 for us for the sake of old times
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tevfik1907 View Post

    Without Datome and Kalinic it would be miracle for us to win a game in F4
    if we have at least one, I say we are good to go. obra can work 2 game F4 with small rotation. but without both of them we only have guduric lol. the boy needs to shine both in offense and defense.

    bobby, kostas, green, melih backcourt + guduric, melli, vesely, ahmet front court.

    we also need something like last years final game from melli. their performance will be decisive, top notch performance for 2 games is a must.
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    Obradovic might be trying to fire up the fans, about whom he was disappointed again.
    I bet they will all play, except Lauvergne, who was not even expected to return. AFAIK, he is even missing the world cup in the summer.
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    I suppose Kalinic will play, but Datome is more important player for Fener system and without him it's mission impossible to win two games in a row. Maybe Efes, but in final game whoever come will be favorite

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