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    Quote Originally Posted by Victorious View Post
    Does anyone know if Turkey will play any preparation games at home? What is their schedule.
    August 12 vs Senegal
    August 13 vs Jordan

    Both in Sinan Erdem

    http://www.tbl.org.tr/haber/2019-07-...C5%9Fa-sunuldu


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mindozas View Post
    August 12 vs Senegal
    August 13 vs Jordan

    Both in Sinan Erdem

    http://www.tbl.org.tr/haber/2019-07-...C5%9Fa-sunuldu
    Thanks for that. Pretty weak preparation. Turkey usually has strong tournaments in Istanbul.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victorious View Post
    Thanks for that. Pretty weak preparation. Turkey usually has strong tournaments in Istanbul.
    Well be with you in Acropolis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toruko View Post
    Well be with you in Acropolis.
    Yeah, but if say you are a Turkish fan in Istanbul you don't have much to choose from.
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    Yiğit Arslan's good performance draws attention after 3 preparation games. If he can maintain his performance in Acropolis tournament, he stands a fair chance of making the final roster. We will need a good back-up swingman who has defense/offense balance to make notable contribution in Championship. This definition suits Arslan for the moment at least. A positive development for the team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slice me nice View Post
    Yiğit Arslan's good performance draws attention after 3 preparation games. If he can maintain his performance in Acropolis tournament, he stands a fair chance of making the final roster. We will need a good back-up swingman who has defense/offense balance to make notable contribution in Championship. This definition suits Arslan for the moment at least. A positive development for the team.
    Completely agree. Did not see the first 2 games and only watched the second half of the game vs Senegal. Yigit Arslan completely surpised me with his game. He always had a one dimensional game at Tofas (3 point shooter), but yesterday he really looked strong physically and made good penetrations to the basket. I would pick him for sure as the back-up SG above e.g. Melih Mahmutoglu, who can not create his own shot and is less effective at the defensive end.

    I'm curious to see how Semih Erden will be at the tournament in Greece. I am totally no fan of him, but he sometimes surprises me with his performance at the NT. Ege Arar is doing a good job till now and our second center will probably be decided between Sertac Sanli and Semih Erden.

    On a side note, Furkan Korkmaz really made some huge improvements in his game and looks a lot more confident in the NT than prior periods. He is not more the "young raw talent". I think he will be a solid contributor for the NT at the World Cup.

    Updated 12 man roster:
    PG: Scottie Wilbekin, Dogus Balbay, Bugrahan Tuncer
    SG: Furkan Korkmaz, Yigit Arslan
    SF: Cedi Osman, Berkan Durmaz
    PF: Ersan Ilyasova, James Metecan Birsen
    C: Ege Arar, Sertac Sanli, Semih Erden

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nakz View Post
    Completely agree. Did not see the first 2 games and only watched the second half of the game vs Senegal. Yigit Arslan completely surpised me with his game. He always had a one dimensional game at Tofas (3 point shooter), but yesterday he really looked strong physically and made good penetrations to the basket. I would pick him for sure as the back-up SG above e.g. Melih Mahmutoglu, who can not create his own shot and is less effective at the defensive end.

    I'm curious to see how Semih Erden will be at the tournament in Greece. I am totally no fan of him, but he sometimes surprises me with his performance at the NT. Ege Arar is doing a good job till now and our second center will probably be decided between Sertac Sanli and Semih Erden.

    On a side note, Furkan Korkmaz really made some huge improvements in his game and looks a lot more confident in the NT than prior periods. He is not more the "young raw talent". I think he will be a solid contributor for the NT at the World Cup.

    Updated 12 man roster:
    PG: Scottie Wilbekin, Dogus Balbay, Bugrahan Tuncer
    SG: Furkan Korkmaz, Yigit Arslan
    SF: Cedi Osman, Berkan Durmaz
    PF: Ersan Ilyasova, James Metecan Birsen
    C: Ege Arar, Sertac Sanli, Semih Erden
    no way we cut Melih. Berkan or Yiğit are out

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    I would cut Mahmutoglu Immediately for Durmaz or Arslan but I dont think Sarica is gonna do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toruko View Post
    I would cut Mahmutoglu Immediately for Durmaz or Arslan but I dont think Sarica is gonna do that.
    he is not great but when Melih is hot he is hot. He fits with the starters as well. Just dont let him dribble

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    The thing is he is far too seldom hot and there is no other 188cm guy who can neither dribble nor pass. He started just creating for himself but still a pin down shooter who is useless when he does not hit the target. We have too many of those do one thing guys. Dogus Balbay or Melih Mahmutoglu are just two of them.
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    Mahmutoğlu did convincing job in recent preparation games and he is a factor that enriches our offense on his own. Of course he won't be cut down from the final roster.

    I want Durmaz and Tuncer to be cut and Arslan being utilized at SF.

    So final roster should be like:

    PG: Wilbekin - Balbay - Uğurlu
    SG: Korkmaz - Mahmutoğlu
    SF: Osman - Arslan
    PF: İlyasova - Birsen
    C: Erden - Şanlı - Arar
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    We need Melih in this roster, imho, even if it's a very limited role, like he has with Fener. To provide outside shooting when things look bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Levenspiel View Post
    We need Melih in this roster, imho, even if it's a very limited role, like he has with Fener. To provide outside shooting when things look bad.
    Among all options if you that desperate to need the contribution of him. You have already lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toruko View Post
    Among all options if you that desperate to need the contribution of him. You have already lost.
    "Among all options" We only have Korkmaz and Wilbekin as potentially better shooters. Maybe Ilyasova is his good day, too. Arslan is promising but not there yet. in short, this is not that good of a team that can cut Melih. it's not that good of a team, period.

    I don't like Melih any more, I think he failed last year to carry his composure as a captain of Fener. But I'll cheer for him, and the whole NT of course, with all my heart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Levenspiel View Post
    "Among all options" We only have Korkmaz and Wilbekin as potentially better shooters. Maybe Ilyasova is his good day, too. Arslan is promising but not there yet. in short, this is not that good of a team that can cut Melih. it's not that good of a team, period.

    I don't like Melih any more, I think he failed last year to carry his composure as a captain of Fener. But I'll cheer for him, and the whole NT of course, with all my heart.
    You cant put a Melih who is just a not reliable pin-down shooter who has a good game out of 10 over Ersan. Ersan Ilyasova is clearly our first scoring option. Then Korkmaz, Osman and Wilbekin follows. The problem with Mahmutoglu is as mentioned earlier his defence. In addition to that he cant neither share the ball nor can he carry the ball for very long. He got better but its not enough to give him even a meaningful bench role. His role will be to put him in for four five minutes let him shoot 3 times and take him out of the court when he couldnt hit. Arslan is now the much better overall player. The only thing where Melih is ahead of him is experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toruko View Post
    You cant put a Melih who is just a not reliable pin-down shooter who has a good game out of 10 over Ersan. Ersan Ilyasova is clearly our first scoring option. Then Korkmaz, Osman and Wilbekin follows. The problem with Mahmutoglu is as mentioned earlier his defence. In addition to that he cant neither share the ball nor can he carry the ball for very long. He got better but its not enough to give him even a meaningful bench role. His role will be to put him in for four five minutes let him shoot 3 times and take him out of the court when he couldnt hit. Arslan is now the much better overall player. The only thing where Melih is ahead of him is experience.
    No objection to anything here. His role would be shooting a few threes if nothing else is working. Just in case they fall. Remember the last Eurobasket, those 3s did make a difference.

    if you cut Melih, who is gonna take his place? No objection to Yigit, but cannot imagine Bugrahan Tuncer there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Levenspiel View Post
    No objection to anything here. His role would be shooting a few threes if nothing else is working. Just in case they fall. Remember the last Eurobasket, those 3s did make a difference.

    if you cut Melih, who is gonna take his place? No objection to Yigit, but cannot imagine Bugrahan Tuncer there.
    Bugrahan has one advantage over Melih and its passing. His defense is even worse than of Melih and he is right now at least a turnover machine. Melih is not his counterpart for a spot though. Bugrahan must fight against Berk Ugurlu and Berk is due to his ability to drive to the rim ahead of him. He is also a reliable open shot maker. I am not talking about cutting Melih that wont happen anyway but if i had to choose between Melih and Yigit I would choose Yigit. I really hope melih can repeat his good game in Eurobasket 17 again.

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    My final 12:

    Wilbekin, Dogus, Bugrahan (imo we need a combo)
    Furkan, Melih
    Cedi, Yigit
    Ersan, Berkan
    Semih, Sertac, Ege
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    Obviously Metecan is pretty inadequate for this level after seen him against Serbia. I would cut him from the final roster without hesitate along with Buğrahan. He was already mediocre all season long with Efes and did not deserve a spot.

    Tolga Gešim would be perfectly fit in this roster. It is because neither Dogus nor Wilbekin have proper passing skills and court vision. Tolga would help our pg's to distribute the ball, court vision and back up Cedi at sf. He would be really good asset for this team. It is been pretty unlucky missing him.

    As for Berk he got limited minutes but I am quite happy his improvement. It seems that he is working on his shoot. He is already good at attacking the rim and ball handling. He is going to get limited minutes in WC but he seems in a good way and quite promising for the future. After we lost Ulubay, Guven so on I am really happy to see some progress for our youngsterns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by c-myers View Post
    Obviously Metecan is pretty inadequate for this level after seen him against Serbia. I would cut him from the final roster without hesitate along with Buğrahan. He was already mediocre all season long with Efes and did not deserve a spot.

    Tolga Gešim would be perfectly fit in this roster. It is because neither Dogus nor Wilbekin have proper passing skills and court vision. Tolga would help our pg's to distribute the ball, court vision and back up Cedi at sf. He would be really good asset for this team. It is been pretty unlucky missing him.

    As for Berk he got limited minutes but I am quite happy his improvement. It seems that he is working on his shoot. He is already good at attacking the rim and ball handling. He is going to get limited minutes in WC but he seems in a good way and quite promising for the future. After we lost Ulubay, Guven so on I am really happy to see some progress for our youngsterns.
    I agree with all but especially second point. Everybody thinks Turkey is at full strength but actually Tolga is really important for the team as he would be the best playmaker on the roster. Right we have 3 playmakers in Cedi, Wilbekin and Doğuş and none of them are above average play makers. We have Furkan and Ersan who can create for themselves but rest of the roster needs someone to set them up. Maybe we should use Berk more and Doğuş less. I think we need 2 of Doğuş Cedi Wilbekin and Berk at the court at the same time to be any good.

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