[2019 EL PO] Real Madrid - Panathinaikos OPAP

[Tevfik1907]

If you perceive my comments as crying, I apologize. That’s far from my intention.

All I’m saying is that 3/4 (and maybe 4/4) highest budgets go to the F4. I’m not complaining, there was a a time that Pao was in that club.
Why do you feel the need to be so aggressive and argue besides the topic?

No need for apologize, I am just sick of hearing about Fenerbahçe's budget on this site every week that's all. You don't see people complaining about CSKA's, Madrid's and Barça's budgets, but as if we've the greatest budget of Euroleague usually people are talking about our budget... We're just the 4th when it comes to that.

We had the same budget before even Obradovic and Gherardini, when we were failing in the top 16 and not even reaching the playoffs somehow. But since now we're getting what we've deserved, that budget has become a problem.

[Overthetop]

We are the easy target at the moment. We are a big team that has been failing recently. Other candidates would be Barca (until this year) and Oly, but they don’t have many active members here.

I guess we need to suck it up and wait for when the well of money dries up for Fener

Qiute the contrary, I wish there were more teams with proper budget. Euroleague will not be better league, if a top level team weakens in terms of budget.

Besides, it is not all about budget. Zalgiris reached F4 with a modest squad, fighting spirit & a coach of high quality last year. I would say if your team would have fought like last two year's Zalgiris, R. Madrid couldn't win the series 3-0 but I can't blame other players because the main guy in the team plays with %22 2FG - %31,6 3FG and drains team's energy by not scoring easy/decent shots after all.

[Mindozas]

No need for apologize, I am just sick of hearing about Fenerbahçe's budget on this site every week that's all. You don't see people complaining about CSKA's, Madrid's and Barça's budgets, but as if we've the greatest budget of Euroleague usually people are talking about our budget... We're just the 4th when it comes to that.

We had the same budget before even Obradovic and Gherardini, when we were failing in the top 16 and not even reaching the playoffs somehow. But since now we're getting what we've deserved, that budget has become a problem.

The problems of the rich, trying to show that money hurts Give Zalgiris that 30-40mln budget and fck our brains about it as much as you want, I swear I won't complain about it for sec In our country, in Zalgiris too it usually goes like this - the better management works, the higher budget we have, so it's only praise and recognition if you have a big one

[Tevfik1907]

The problems of the rich, trying to show that money hurts Give Zalgiris that 30-40mln budget and fck our brains about it as much as you want, I swear I won't complain about it for sec In our country, in Zalgiris too it usually goes like this - the better management works, the higher budget we have, so it's only praise and recognition if you have a big one

Yeah, probably. Considering what Saras is doing with a very limited budget, which is lesser than Pao's and Oly's.

Still, we need to see what he can do first, after all being a coach to an expensive team also requires the ability to lead. Many coaches on the league are failing to do that, controlling and leading those egos is a hard job. Obra has the charisma and Gherardini is specifically choosing suitable players for Obra's style.

There is no guarantee that Saras can rule and control the players with big egos, he is very successful with a limited budget and he proved that, now he needs to prove how he can deal with star and elite players with egos.

[Oly_fan]

In NBA he just beats his defender and line to the rim is open

Again, you underestimate how much of his game is post-ups.

[vivo]

The problems of the rich, trying to show that money hurts Give Zalgiris that 30-40mln budget and fck our brains about it as much as you want, I swear I won't complain about it for sec In our country, in Zalgiris too it usually goes like this - the better management works, the higher budget we have, so it's only praise and recognition if you have a big one

In our case the budget is more about ROI of parties involved and less about what Fener deserves. Sponsors pay because they get the return in terms of PR. Management doesn't cut the budget because they might be shot on sight by the fans (kidding). Basketball branch in total (women's team, U teams) has 15 m revenue and 30 m cost but as all parties are content with the current situation, I don't see it changing - yet.

I also admire how Zalgiris pulled themselves from the bootstraps. They had huge debt, but they're now both successful and show profit for some years right? This is the right way for teams without a financially bigger organization (football branch in our case) to support basketball.

[Mindozas]

Yeah, probably. Considering what Saras is doing with a very limited budget, which is lesser than Pao's and Oly's.

Still, we need to see what he can do first, after all being a coach to an expensive team also requires the ability to lead. Many coaches on the league are failing to do that, controlling and leading those egos is a hard job. Obra has the charisma and Gherardini is specifically choosing suitable players for Obra's style.

There is no guarantee that Saras can rule and control the players with big egos, he is very successful with a limited budget and he proved that, now he needs to prove how he can deal with star and elite players with egos.

I'm not talking about achievements or Saras, just that having big budget is not a sin or anything to be ashamed of, vice versa, it's great. Lot of clubs would like to have such "problems" Ok, if we go back to Saras, of course there's no guarantee if he would succeed, but his basketball understanding is at top level. It was when he was a player and its the same with him being a coach. He has huge charisma and decent reputation in Europe, let's say now lot of agents are offering their players and players on their own wants to come to play under Saras even for less money. But at the same time he loves to select all the roster by himself, he hates to have big egos in team, player must have good characteristics not only as a player, but as a person too. Team spirit, one goal is key here. Zalgiris is build this way - no headcases, no one big star. I think he would kill some James or Wilbekin after first practice Saras main requirements for clubs is to have free hands in selection, in moves and not to interfere his work. Just like Obradovic - he has his system, has ideas and club must fully trust him. You can discuss with him of course, but not to do anything without his knowledge. He has it all in Zalgiris. And that's why I kinda doubt about his chances moving to some Barca where management looks kinda messy, don't know about PAO with Giannakopoulos making crazy things. Let's say current Fener of Efes rosters with mostly devoted and unselfish players would be the ones Saras could coach. But indeed, he and Zeljko has a lot in common, like Saras wrote in his book - Obradovic, Popovic and Doc Rivers are the coaches he idolized the most and learned from

In our case the budget is more about ROI of parties involved and less about what Fener deserves. Sponsors pay because they get the return in terms of PR. Management doesn't cut the budget because they might be shot on sight by the fans (kidding). Basketball branch in total (women's team, U teams) has 15 m revenue and 30 m cost but as all parties are content with the current situation, I don't see it changing - yet.

I also admire how Zalgiris pulled themselves from the bootstraps. They had huge debt, but they're now both successful and show profit for some years right? This is the right way for teams without a financially bigger organization (football branch in our case) to support basketball.

Yes, Zalgiris got rid of debts recently, it took some 4-5 years, we had over 10mln one left from our past owners, now we have 10mln budget, no debts and some extra money if bank

[Killer Bob]

Again, you underestimate how much of his game is post-ups.

https://stats.nba.com/players/playtype-post-up/?sort=POSS_PCT&dir=1&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

[drskull]

Luka is built like a tank. He will never be very athletic, but he can become very strong. Good luck to defend 6’8”(with shoes), 230 Pg, who can shoot, post up or just attack the rim with his strength.

scary thing about him is this. he does not rely on athleticism. people argue over his peak. he is already at his peak, almost. scary thing is he can play like this till he retires.

also regarding that greece nt subject, not a reply to beno: no coach on his right mind will deploy two players who can't shoot at the same time. calathes+giannis without sloukas not gonna happen.

[Levenspiel]

This is very interesting that if a player form Real or Cska , He suddenly could become a best pg or best c etc after a few good game. But if a player plays for Fener, some haters resist to accept that. Campazzo suddenly become a best pg, they were laughing the same opinion about Sloukas.

Are you scanning every thread to see in case somebody did not praise a Fener player enough? or god forbid, praised someone else more?

[Mr Chacho]

Your words about Deck is what I read about Campazzo when we signed him: short and fat, no shooting and too much turnovers, from a weak league. And now, everybody praising him.

By the way, in the 2014-2015 season, our PGs were Sergio Rodríguez, Sergio Llull, Facundo Campazzo + Luka Doncic as help in some games. Astonishing...

[Killer Bob]

Your words about Deck is what I read about Campazzo when we signed him: short and fat, no shooting and too much turnovers, from a weak league. And now, everybody praising him.

By the way, in the 2014-2015 season, our PGs were Sergio Rodríguez, Sergio Llull, Facundo Campazzo + Luka Doncic as help in some games. Astonishing...

Luka was 15 years old.

[Mr Chacho]

Luka was 15 years old.

And Chacho younger, Llull had 2 knees (now he only has 1) and Campazzo was fat.

[Killer Bob]

And Chacho younger, Llull had 2 knees (now he only has 1) and Campazzo was fat.

It’s sad how many great guards are coming to the end of their career and there’s not much left behind. The real picture of European basketball is very bleak.

[Mr Chacho]

It’s sad how many great guards are coming to the end of their career and there’s not much left behind. The real picture of European basketball is very bleak.

Micic, and I am sure he will go the the Sixers. Campazzo is still quiet young (28), Calathes is 30, Sloukas is 29 (although he is not a pure PG). We must sign Carlos Alocén, 18 years old and rocking in the ACB, the new Llull.