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    Quote Originally Posted by G&B View Post
    I can also say about our team, which we did not expect from the Lithuanian medal OG-2000 WC -2010, EC-2013EC-2015, but they won, because here we are talking about prediction by team lists and that the countries of basketball elite are able to create a sourpyze, for nobody no secret .
    The problem is that I have always included Lithuania among medal favorites, compared to you who have CONTINUOUSLY excluded Serbia from such talk. I was not surprised by Lith results in those periods, because I know the chemistry and talent you have as a unit, even when you are an underdog. On the other hand, you have continuously decided to degrade the ranking of the team that has proven from 2014 and on to be the second best behind USA. It is one thing to predict, someone will not win a medal due to a tough draw, bad form of players etc. but to deny the level of talent on paper (this is what we are talking about here in this discussion) is a whole different thing.

    Still, I don't expect you to act differently, knowing your attitude for the last 5 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usagre View Post
    Yeah I am not buying that at all. Do you know what the ratings were for 2014, 2010 world cups ? Nobody including the media whose job it is to care, really give this tournament much thought. Donít go by us hardcores here, by even a sports fans metric nobody in the United States cares. The Olympics is not the same case. But even there itís not as big a deal as you might think.
    Ratings have nothing to do with the great PR he will generate by being on the team. Why do you keep bringing it up? That's not even remotely related to my point. It's as if you are deliberately ignore the point I'm actually making to debate a different one I'm not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steadysoul View Post
    Ratings have nothing to do with the great PR he will generate by being on the team. Why do you keep bringing it up? That's not even remotely related to my point. It's as if you are deliberately ignore the point I'm actually making to debate a different one I'm not.
    ????
    Unless PR stands for something I am not aware of ? What does PR stand for ? Public relations right ? Who is the public ?
    People that are watching (thatís how ratings are generated) , and covering (the media) the tournament. If nobody cares how is it PR move. Please explain because I donít have the slightest idea what you are talking about. What in the world is the point that you are actually trying to make ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by usagre View Post
    Is Lithuania a top 4 team in your opinion ?
    Thats not a crazy quetion for a crazy person though if that was implied. Lihuania will be substantially stronger this year compared to 2017. Aside USA other teams will have to play very good basketball to beat us. No its not top 4 team, but its bettrr than a roster implies for a neutral fan from overseas. Serbia is the best team after US, but addition of Jokic to Serbia is not the same as addition of Pau to Spain. I may be wrong, but I dont think Jokic will be as good fiba baller as Pau was. Now Greece with Giannis is the 3rd best team to me on the paper, but even this project has some controversy because of short bench and Giannis lack of shooting. Other teams in Spain, France, Australia and probably Canada are very strong, but it will be a dogs fight.
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    Lithuania wont make it out of the first group. I am sure of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toruko View Post
    Lithuania wont make it out of the first group. I am sure of that.
    Maybe we won't , we don't argue that when 3 of top 8 teams are in same group anything can happen , but you can be sure our boys gonna gave Canada and Australia real dog fight and our smart players,strong bond,togetherness and 2 world class centers inside will provide seriuos challenges. To beat us twice in 3 games it will require best playing versions of Australia and Canada.

    In one playoff game againts tallented,but very little fiba experienced team ale Canada i like my team's chances, not so much againts Australia.

    There is a reasons why Lithuania is the only European nation that qualifed for all Olympics games since 1992 professional era.Nobody can say same from by far strongest continent to do that.It isnt just luck you know...Eventually this streak will end, but to say "im sure" ok expert.

    I like that in most foreigners eyes we are underdog in that group

    I just say that Lithuanias 2019 team version 'on paper' looks like the best one from 2015-2019 years we had.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawshank View Post
    Maybe we won't , we don't argue that when 3 of top 8 teams are in same group anything can happen , but you can be sure our boys gonna gave Canada and Australia real dog fight and our smart players,strong bond,togetherness and 2 world class centers inside will provide seriuos challenges. To beat us twice in 3 games it will require best playing versions of Australia and Canada.

    In one playoff game againts tallented,but very little fiba experienced team ale Canada i like my team's chances, not so much againts Australia.

    There is a reasons why Lithuania is the only European nation that qualifed for all Olympics games since 1992 professional era.Nobody can say same from by far strongest continent to do that.It isnt just luck you know...Eventually this streak will end, but to say "im sure" ok expert.

    I like that in most foreigners eyes we are underdog in that group

    I just say that Lithuanias 2019 team version 'on paper' looks like the best one from 2015-2019 years we had.
    I'd never bet against Lithuania. And I think both Canada and Australia should prove themself first before challenging Lithuania. I wouldnt be surprised at all if they finish first there. My guess is Australia will fail to advance in that group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usagre View Post
    ????
    Unless PR stands for something I am not aware of ? What does PR stand for ? Public relations right ? Who is the public ?
    People that are watching (that’s how ratings are generated) , and covering (the media) the tournament. If nobody cares how is it PR move. Please explain because I don’t have the slightest idea what you are talking about. What in the world is the point that you are actually trying to make ?
    PR is the photo op of Davis in red white and blue. It doesn't actually matter if people watch the games for it to be a great PR moment. And hey if they win, oh look another great photo op.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steadysoul View Post
    PR is the photo op of Davis in red white and blue. It doesn't actually matter if people watch the games for it to be a great PR moment. And hey if they win, oh look another great photo op.
    Yeah I completely disagree. What you are saying is illogical and makes no sense whatsoever. For it be good publicity or PR people obviously have to be aware of it. Other than hardcores nobody knows who was on the 2010 gold medal team. That includes fans media or anybody. It’s not big enough.

    I guess if you’re a Pelican fan and also follow the Fiba World Cup then possibly I can see his participation as some good PR. But honestly how many of those people are out there? And do you think he even cares about that or them ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by usagre View Post
    The Sportsbook I use is showing respect to Serbia as a clear second choice behind the United States. Probably a combination of their excellent recent results as well as their expected strength of their roster. For me it makes a lot of sense with Serbiaís key players (Jokic, Bogdanovic) getting better, while Spainís are in decline. (No more Pau and Navarro, aging Rudy, Marc Gasol, Rodriguez)

    Here are the current odds I have

    USA -600
    Serbia +1000
    Spain. +1600
    France +2900
    Greece. +2900

    Top 5.

    The relative difficulty of draw surely impacts these odds. Thus I am a little surprised to see France that high consider their 2nd round pool crossover. I'm assuming Canada, Australia, Lithuania have very depressed betting odds due to their 1st and 2nd round pools.
    Spain and Serbia should be #2 and #3 considering their relative open path (and history).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toruko View Post
    Lithuania wont make it out of the first group. I am sure of that.
    Of course, in this group, something will definitely be in the third place and will no longer fight, and it will not be easy for the Lithuanian team because all three teams are real contenders for medals. I would even say that there is a 50% chance that there will be two medals from this group. Australia and Canada have the strongest rosters on paper after the USA. Of course well that paper does not always determine all in the sport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G&B View Post
    Of course, in this group, something will definitely be in the third place and will no longer fight, and it will not be easy for the Lithuanian team because all three teams are real contenders for medals. I would even say that there is a 50% chance that there will be two medals from this group. Australia and Canada have the strongest rosters on paper after the USA. Of course well that paper does not always determine all in the sport.
    Canada hasn't even announced a prelim roster yet. They have high potential but that's it. Let's not give them high marks for what people are predicting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G&B View Post
    Of course, in this group, something will definitely be in the third place and will no longer fight, and it will not be easy for the Lithuanian team because all three teams are real contenders for medals. I would even say that there is a 50% chance that there will be two medals from this group. Australia and Canada have the strongest rosters on paper after the USA. Of course well that paper does not always determine all in the sport.
    i think that is a near impossibility the way the draw works. The way the pools combine who ever makes it through the 2nd pool has a high likelihood of facing the USA in the first round of the playoffs.
    The odds of getting to the medal round are very difficult for Australia, Canada, Lithuania, France, Germany or the others in their respective pools. Very, very low chance two from this list medal as it would likely take one of them upsetting the USA.

    And yes, the Canada hype is getting a little ahead of itself. Letís see who actually shows up first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojo13 View Post
    i think that is a near impossibility the way the draw works. The way the pools combine who ever makes it through the 2nd pool has a high likelihood of facing the USA in the first round of the playoffs.
    The odds of getting to the medal round are very difficult for Australia, Canada, Lithuania, France, Germany or the others in their respective pools. Very, very low chance two from this list medal as it would likely take one of them upsetting the USA.

    And yes, the Canada hype is getting a little ahead of itself. Letís see who actually shows up first.
    You could see it differently. The US is going to play a lot of strong teams and is going to be tested all the way to the final. And maybe some team is going to beat them. Preferably in the knock out phase.
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    I thought that even at full strength Spain was a notch below Serbia, now with no Ibaka/Mirotic, and Sergio Rodriguez I think it’s not even debatable. In my opinion if some of the other nations are at full strength I think they can have as low as the 5th or 6th best roster on paper.

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