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Originally posted by Levenspiel View PostAs an admin, I was not aware of that, but I see what you mean. Definitely nothing intentional, nothing shows up on mod log. Let me see.2013/2014 IBN Euroleague Prediction Game Winner
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@Terrorizer.
Yeah it sucks it was a great back and forth. I disagree with a lot of your points but always welcome hearing them.
The administrator said that they had technical difficulties that day and lost a lot of posts and all attempts to retrieve them were unsuccessful.Silver medal 2012 Olympics prediction game.
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Originally posted by Terrorizer View PostYep, that was really disappointing. In one of the topics me and usagre kinda strayed off-topic with my favourite "Europe is Gonzaga/Villanova to NBA's Duke" point but I rarely wrote so much on these boards in a year or even more and most of my posts (including my own FIBA WC power rankings and a long post on details of perspective Canadian roster) were of a kind I'm sad to see "disappeared".
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Originally posted by Terrorizer View PostYep, that was really disappointing. In one of the topics me and usagre kinda strayed off-topic with my favourite "Europe is Gonzaga/Villanova to NBA's Duke" point but I rarely wrote so much on these boards in a year or even more and most of my posts (including my own FIBA WC power rankings and a long post on Brazzers Youporn Xhamsterdetails of perspective Canadian roster) were of a kind I'm sad to see "disappeared".
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Spain tanks at almost every tournament in the group and that half of the bracket might bring many more unpredictable results when groups C and D merge compared to the half where team USA has been drawn. Italy and Serbia will fight tooth and nail for the 1st place in their preliminary group since Spain will almost certainly beat all three opponents in group C and whoever of these 3 teams ends up in the QF they have a great chance to advance to SF since they will be playing most likely against Argentina and Russia. Assuming that USA goes through to QF from Shenzhen K group as K1 and Greece most likely as K2 I see Team USA advancing to the semis regardless who they play in the QF, and the K2 vs L1 game - Greece vs France (or Greece vs one of the 3 teams from the "group of death" 'H') will be a very interesting game to see...personally I would love to see USA vs Spain, and Serbia vs Greece semifinal games.
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Originally posted by micko View PostSpain tanks at almost every tournament in the group and that half of the bracket might bring many more unpredictable results when groups C and D merge compared to the half where team USA has been drawn. Italy and Serbia will fight tooth and nail for the 1st place in their preliminary group since Spain will almost certainly beat all three opponents in group C and whoever of these 3 teams ends up in the QF they have a great chance to advance to SF since they will be playing most likely against Argentina and Russia. Assuming that USA goes through to QF from Shenzhen K group as K1 and Greece most likely as K2 I see Team USA advancing to the semis regardless who they play in the QF, and the K2 vs L1 game - Greece vs France (or Greece vs one of the 3 teams from the "group of death" 'H') will be a very interesting game to see...personally I would love to see USA vs Spain, and Serbia vs Greece semifinal games.
I think your semi-finals are simply inconceivable because the US is likely to meet with Serbia, and Greece is also a small chance of winning against France and the leaders of the H "group of death", and if Greece is successful anyway in the semifinals, Spain would wait.
If the second team from the H group, according to the miserable schedule, to the semi-finals should not meet the US, we could actually see two teams from the H group between the medals.
Regrettable schedule: when you see Group A, where there are no teams claiming even to the 1/8 finals, and the H group where 3 teams actually qualify for medals and the strongest African team.Last edited by G&B; 06-06-2019, 08:27 AM.
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Originally posted by G&B View PostI think your semi-finals are simply inconceivable because the US is likely to meet with Serbia.
And in my judgement a full strength Serbia is the second best team out there so it is more likely they wouldn’t meet in the semis.Silver medal 2012 Olympics prediction game.
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Originally posted by usagre View PostWhy is that ? If they win their respective groups in both rounds then they would be in opposite brackets until the final.
And in my judgement a full strength Serbia is the second best team out there so it is more likely they wouldn’t meet in the semis.
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Originally posted by G&B View PostSay it to Spain, and they will not understand you . Serbia has a great school, but according rosters it is not the second team in the tournament.
Kalinic, Jovic, Milutinov, Nedovic, Lucic. That’s the second best roster out there.
They outperformed Spain in ‘14 and ‘16 and Spain has gotten worse and Serbia has improved so I
think it’s pretty clear now.Silver medal 2012 Olympics prediction game.
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Originally posted by usagre View PostReally ? Teodosic, Jokic, Bogdanovic, Bjelica, Marjanovic, Mijic, Guduric,
Kalinic, Jovic, Milutinov, Nedovic, Lucic. That’s the second best roster out there.
They outperformed Spain in ‘14 and ‘16 and Spain has gotten worse and Serbia has improved so I
think it’s pretty clear now.Last edited by Victorious; 06-24-2019, 01:35 PM.PAO EUROPEAN CHAMPION 1996 - 2000 - 2002 - 2007 - 2009 - 2011
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Originally posted by Victorious View PostIf you look closely. There are only 6 really good players on that Serbian rooster. I did not include Teo since the man is out if shape. Spain however has twelve top players. Serbia has the third or fourth best rooster. France also has a better rooster.Silver medal 2012 Olympics prediction game.
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Originally posted by Victorious View PostIf you look closely. There are only 6 really good players on that Serbian rooster. I did not include Teo since the man is out if shape. Spain however has twelve top players. Serbia has the third or fourth best rooster. France also has a better rooster.
Teodosic,Micic,Jovic
Bogdanovic,Nedovic or Guduric and Milosavljevic(too bad for Todorovic injury)
Kalinic,Lucic
Bjelica,Jelovac maybe we could try to get in somebody younger here Miskovic or Simanic for the future sake also Jokic could alternate here , in some matchups
Jokic,Milutinov ,Marjanovic ,I think Raduljica will get that spot eventually , because of his tenure under Djordjevic.
Its a pretty deep squad , they have experience and success playing together. They should be in the contention for the finals.Last edited by Srle; 06-24-2019, 10:10 PM.UZEO SI TROFEJ MACVANE MACVANE MACVANE!!!
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Originally posted by usagre View PostI disagree. Firstly Jokic is better than anyone on both Spanish and French rosters. So having the top guy overall counts a lot. As for Spain list me these 12 “top” Spanish players and list their age at the time of tournament as well. Many people are stuck on Spain due to their excellent history, but no Pau is enormous and most of their other key pieces are really up there in age.
Serbia is very strong in the center position. Jovic, Marjanovic, Milutinov are hard to handle. And then you have Bjelica and Bogdanovic. After that it becomes tricky. Teo is out of shape as I have stated. Micic was decent at Efes, but still not a top level player yet. Kalinic and Guduric ofcourse are decent, but they essentially shine in an Obradovic oiled team. Not exactly because of their unique talent. Also there is Nedovic and Lucic, once again, decent players. But the claim is made that this is the second best squad after the USA. Well, I think not. Spain's Euroleague players, Llull, Rodriguez, Fernandez and Claver are top notch players. Certainly better than the likes of Nedovic, Lucic, Kalinic, Micic. Then you have, excluing Pau, seven NBA players no less; Marc, Ibaka, Rubio, Mirotic, Abrinez and the two Hernangomez. On an overall basis there is more NBA talent in this team. So I argue that Spain has more NBA talent and better EL players overall. It is a superior rooster. Even though it is somewhat aged as you claim.
Also France is not too far of from Serbia.Last edited by Victorious; 06-25-2019, 10:07 PM.PAO EUROPEAN CHAMPION 1996 - 2000 - 2002 - 2007 - 2009 - 2011
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