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    Quote Originally Posted by yogaflame View Post
    The problem with Coach Tim is he favors veterans than development. He is known as rookie killer in PBA. I hope MVP and SBP will still be the one to decide the roster,not him. Let us not be afraid, this is for the preparation for world cup. And we have the best youth roster this generation,let us not be afraid.
    i believe tim will only helm for sea games. so development will not be his goal.
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    SMC gives Tim go signal to coach in the SEA Games

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    Quote Originally Posted by hmbopbaduwap View Post
    SMC gives Tim go signal to coach in the SEA Games

    https://www.spin.ph/multisport/sea-g...0190922-fbnew-
    Is Tim already a lock? I was hoping it's either Jimmy or Ayo

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    Quote Originally Posted by astigram04 View Post
    Is Tim already a lock? I was hoping it's either Jimmy or Ayo
    Its Cone it seems for SEAG, initially on interim basis although I wont be surprised if it becomes a permanent designation until 2023.Woth SMC now actively tipping its hands on Gilas, forget about the European coach... Parang kay Guiao lang yan dati, initially Asian Games pang then fulltime Gilas coach na...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sajubeads View Post
    Its Cone it seems for SEAG, initially on interim basis although I wont be surprised if it becomes a permanent designation until 2023.Woth SMC now actively tipping its hands on Gilas, forget about the European coach... Parang kay Guiao lang yan dati, initially Asian Games pang then fulltime Gilas coach na...
    MVP knows how important 2023 is. I doubt he’ll keep him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k3ttch View Post
    SEA games, bro. FIBA eligibility rules don't apply. They can field Bassey, Morgan, Lamb and Lish together.

    I have a feeling either Kobe looks down on our SEA neighbors or he's not informed about their upgrades.If Kobe is that confident let SBP give what he wished for and no PBA coach either,give them Sandy.I wanna see Sandy vs Toro,or we can see it live Kobe dying inside if they lose a game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARMIR View Post
    I have a feeling either Kobe looks down on our SEA neighbors or he's not informed about their upgrades.If Kobe is that confident let SBP give what he wished for and no PBA coach either,give them Sandy.I wanna see Sandy vs Toro,or we can see it live Kobe dying inside if they lose a game.
    Its OK for you guys not to believe in the capabilities of our amateurs pero wag mo nmn tapunan ng bulok na coach, at least, give them a fighting chance. Give them Ayo who knows the game of our college players or Jimmy who Knows Asean competition. Ako, I'm not saying 100% sure, but I think an 11+blatche can do the job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by astigram04 View Post
    Is Tim already a lock? I was hoping it's either Jimmy or Ayo
    yes. highly likely he will take the ginebra team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by digitalsuperman View Post
    yes. highly likely he will take the ginebra team.
    Ginebra team will have tuneups in Sea Games

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    Quote Originally Posted by xenoloxy View Post
    MVP knows how important 2023 is. I doubt he’ll keep him.
    Cone can do the job as long as the powers that be are united toward putting our best foot forward in 2023. UAAP/NCAA included. By UAAP/NCAA, I mean if talent is ready to move up to a higher level aka the PBA. Let them and dont pay them to play against inferior competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikatrix View Post
    Cone can do the job as long as the powers that be are united toward putting our best foot forward in 2023. UAAP/NCAA included. By UAAP/NCAA, I mean if talent is ready to move up to a higher level aka the PBA. Let them and dont pay them to play against inferior competition.
    I wont be surprise if we lose this SEAG. You see with PBA and UAAP still ongoing until November, a one week practice is in the offing. The weekly.practice will be a futile exercise as the attendance will be dismal...Remember Indonesia haa been practicing already while Thailand has a team already as early as Feb as they participated in Fiba Asia Pre Qualifier plus the core of their team made up the Thai ABL team...Tim will be in trouble come.SEAG, at baka maPopovic sia...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikatrix View Post
    Cone can do the job as long as the powers that be are united toward putting our best foot forward in 2023. UAAP/NCAA included. By UAAP/NCAA, I mean if talent is ready to move up to a higher level aka the PBA. Let them and dont pay them to play against inferior competition.
    I think Tim cone will not coach for gilas in long term.. he has big obligations in ginebra.. he will accept only just for seagames and he's done.. euro coach will be the best option for long term.. we can start this on February qualifiers.. all we need is patience.. I hope that no one here and even on social media will bash our plan because majority of pinoys don't like long term goal.. they want is instant success...

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    Quote Originally Posted by astigram04 View Post
    Its OK for you guys not to believe in the capabilities of our amateurs pero wag mo nmn tapunan ng bulok na coach, at least, give them a fighting chance. Give them Ayo who knows the game of our college players or Jimmy who Knows Asean competition. Ako, I'm not saying 100% sure, but I think an 11+blatche can do the job.


    Well ok SBP can have either one of them to coach,but the point I'm trying to get is that,Gilas has been so successful in the past that even a casual basketball fan thinks this is a walk in the park Gold Medal.So why not be like the Americans,no strong or elite pros for the SEA GAMES,just send in all amateurs and an up and coming amateur coach.The worst thing could happen is no Gold Medal,fire the coach,blame the players,but in 3 mos or so Pinoy fans will forget about it.We're known to have a short term memory and very forgiving,just look at the politicians who actually went to prison,then gets reelected to the Senate.Not too long ago TR gets flayed in the forums,media for his selfish dribble,dribble,but now everyone wants him back and some even wants Abueva back with Chot in tow too. If you wanna know how tough this kids mentally and physically then this is the time to let them know that they're going to carry the hopes of the nation on their shoulders,this is a good step to prepare them in more tougher challenges ahead in years going to 2023.

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    "I understand fully that, if I take the position, it's just a stop-gap position. It's not a commitment to the Gilas head coaching [job]," said Cone. "It's just that the SEA Games is coming in quick and they want someone to step up and do it. So I could very easily be a one-and-done guy. Just go and coach the SEA Games, that's it. And I understand that fully. And this, with me coaching, that will give them time to put their search committee together and find the guy they really want to coach [until], I guess, 2023. ... And I'm perfectly OK with that."
    "This will probably be taken wrongly, but I think preparation is a little overrated. I think you got guys in shape and ready to go, and it's a matter of teaching system. You don't need three months of preparation. And the preparation, if I may say, comes from playing tournament to tournament to tournament to tournament. That's where the preparation comes," Cone said.


    "It's not, 'We're gonna prepare for a tournament and that's it.' It's really getting a group of guys that are playing continuously, but they don't need three months every time before a tournament. They need a couple of weeks before tournament. The tournament itself will be the preparation."

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    Quote Originally Posted by analyzed View Post
    "I understand fully that, if I take the position, it's just a stop-gap position. It's not a commitment to the Gilas head coaching [job]," said Cone. "It's just that the SEA Games is coming in quick and they want someone to step up and do it. So I could very easily be a one-and-done guy. Just go and coach the SEA Games, that's it. And I understand that fully. And this, with me coaching, that will give them time to put their search committee together and find the guy they really want to coach [until], I guess, 2023. ... And I'm perfectly OK with that."
    "This will probably be taken wrongly, but I think preparation is a little overrated. I think you got guys in shape and ready to go, and it's a matter of teaching system. You don't need three months of preparation. And the preparation, if I may say, comes from playing tournament to tournament to tournament to tournament. That's where the preparation comes," Cone said.


    "It's not, 'We're gonna prepare for a tournament and that's it.' It's really getting a group of guys that are playing continuously, but they don't need three months every time before a tournament. They need a couple of weeks before tournament. The tournament itself will be the preparation."
    i am puzzled with coach tim's statements. so for him, system>preparation? this is how i understand his statements. i think it should be system=preparation.
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    Why coach Tim instead of coach Jong Uichico? I mean, coach Tim couldn't throw his full commitment to the National team for the SEA games becoz he's coaching Ginebra. Coach Jong on the other hand is not committed to any team & can therefore commit fully to the National team. Besides, coach Jong had piloted the Gilas cadets to the 2017 SEA Games gold medal. So that gives coach Jong the familiarity of the "battlefield".
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAMSKIE View Post
    What I want to imply here is that we shouldn't send a team to the SEA Games with the sole purpose of winning the gold while taking for granting player development. If we are only concerned about winning the SEA Games basketball gold medal (and nothing else) then we send no less than the best of the best of the PBA - the Junmar Fajardos, the Jayson Castros, the Marcio Lassiters, the Japeth Aguilars, the Christian Standhardingers, the Stanley Pringles, the Moala Tautuaa, etc. But with this super strong line-up, what else would we gain aside from winning the SEA Games basketball gold?

    The point here is, finding the balance between winnability & player development. The idea therefore of a line up of a mix PBA & collegiate players is the best option. The desire to win the basketball gold should be there but not at all cost. Not at the cost of player development.
    I'm not gonna be suprise if there will only be 4 to 5 amateurs under a tim cone sea games line up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ja.he View Post
    i am puzzled with coach tim's statements. so for him, system>preparation? this is how i understand his statements. i think it should be system=preparation.
    perhaps this fact might help enlighten .. The reality is most national teams don't have long preperation (more than 1 month) prior to a tournament like the World Cup, but they do have long term programs in place using same systems and same core players
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    Quote Originally Posted by astigram04 View Post
    What makes you think kai will play on crumbs in that set up? Don't you think they can even be fielded in at the same time? And its not like every team will have a denzdl bowles who'll just bully ball Kai sotto.

    PBA players who stand chance to make the 2023 lineup - names like bollick, perez, Rosario etc? What do they get from a stint at the SEA games? From the world cup to the southrast Asian games? I'm sorry but that does not makes sense to me at all.
    This is a way to establish cohesion among our prospects for the 2023 & 2027 FIBA World Cups. Guys like Bolick, Perez, Parks, Kiefer, Rosario, Pogoy, etc. would need to jell & bond with Kai Sotto, Thirdy Ravena, 1GDL, Dave I., Baltazar, etc. Let the SEA Games be the starting point of their cohesion process. Remember bro, cohesion/jelling/bonding is a process that takes time.
    "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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    Quote Originally Posted by analyzed View Post
    perhaps this fact might help enlighten .. The reality is most national teams don't have long preperation (more than 1 month) prior to a tournament like the World Cup, but they do have long term programs in place using same systems and same core players
    Lets put it this way: The Gilas team that was envisioned for the 2019 FIBA World Cup started its preparation in 2017 with coach Chot Reyes calling the shots. It started with tournaments such as the SEABA in 2017 & the 2017 FIBA Asia Cup. Then we played in the 3 windows of the 2019 World Cup qualifiers. But we bumped into that ugly brawl with Australia during the 3rd window & thus coach Chot was replaced by coach Yeng Guiao who eventually handled the team starting the 4th window onward the 2019 FIBA World Cup itself.

    New coach meant new system, new adjustments. This is where the problem would arise.

    While it is true that most National teams don't really have long term preparation prior to any international tournament, what they have is a "collective" amount of preparation gained from preparation that they have made in prior tournaments. I mean most of these teams play in international tournaments in a yearly basis. These is where players get to develop cohesion/bonding & the familiarity of the coach's system. So even if a National team gets to prepare for only about 1 & half month for the World Cup, yung preparation ng team na yun from previous tournaments could really be counted. In a sense, if a team gets to practice/play together for 1 month each year, after 4 years yung total preparation/training ng team will be 4 months. This of course assuming that the system would be the same & that the core of the roster is preserved.
    "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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