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    Quote Originally Posted by Victorious View Post
    I wonder how Greek basketball will be influenced due to the change of government.
    please excuse my ignorance, why would you bring the change of government as a potential factor?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Levenspiel View Post
    please excuse my ignorance, why would you bring the change of government as a potential factor?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victorious View Post
    I wonder how Greek basketball will be influenced due to the change of government.
    Since Vasilakopoulos is 100% PASOK and is still in charge dispite the fact that this party almost vanished from the political landscape, I guess there will be little political influence on the federation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Levenspiel View Post
    please excuse my ignorance, why would you bring the change of government as a potential factor?
    It wouldn't on an NT level but could for club level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Levenspiel View Post
    please excuse my ignorance, why would you bring the change of government as a potential factor?
    I was thinking of heavy taxation for club teams perhaps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victorious View Post
    I was thinking of heavy taxation for club teams perhaps.
    Maybe its better to force some clubs to raise some youth and play with them even if it means to be bad for couple years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victorious View Post
    I was thinking of heavy taxation for club teams perhaps.
    Actually the new goverment stands for a neoliberal economy approach which normally prohibits increase of taxation. Instead they tend to reduce taxation and the public expenditure quota but I am not sure if this will also apply to basketball clubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toruko View Post
    Maybe its better to force some clubs to raise some youth and play with them even if it means to be bad for couple years.
    Greek teams will be non competitive and basically a punching bag if this would happen. Interest and revenues would go down. It's success and winning which brings in the sponsors and sells tickets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fasoulaki View Post
    Actually the new goverment stands for a neoliberal economy approach which normally prohibits increase of taxation. Instead they tend to reduce taxation and the public expenditure quota but I am not sure if this will also apply to basketball clubs.
    I've heard some rumors that taxation percentages for sports teams could be relaxed by 10% in order for teams to become more competitive. These rumors were pre-election coming from New Democracy (who won the elections). Let's see if they are implemented or at least discussed in an official capacity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EverGreen View Post
    Greek teams will be non competitive and basically a punching bag if this would happen. Interest and revenues would go down. It's success and winning which brings in the sponsors and sells tickets.
    Yeah its always the same problem with the sponsors. There is a rumor that the states will give the g-league teams a budget of 20 - 30 million dollars. It this happens the European Basketball will be doomed at the very last. The whole bunch of Americans and also decent Europeans will leave Europe immediately

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    future Greek NT players, maybe

    Lountzis, Moraitis, Arsenopoulos, Karampelas
    G. Kalaitzakis, Kamperidis, P. Kalaitzakis
    Rogkavopoulos
    Kalogiros
    Christidis

    We seem to be strong in the PG position, weak in the paint. Is Charalampopoulos still a promising prospect or he is a bust?

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    Quote Originally Posted by christodoulou76 View Post
    future Greek NT players, maybe

    Lountzis, Moraitis, Arsenopoulos, Karampelas
    G. Kalaitzakis, Kamperidis, P. Kalaitzakis
    Rogkavopoulos
    Kalogiros
    Christidis

    We seem to be strong in the PG position, weak in the paint. Is Charalampopoulos still a promising prospect or he is a bust?
    Charalampo will need a couple years to stay injury free to show if he has the potential to be a good player at NT level. This kid has been very unlucky with injuries. Still he lacks athleticism which means he will depend more on his brains than body.
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    Quote Originally Posted by christodoulou76 View Post
    future Greek NT players, maybe

    Lountzis, Moraitis, Arsenopoulos, Karampelas
    G. Kalaitzakis, Kamperidis, P. Kalaitzakis
    Rogkavopoulos
    Kalogiros
    Christidis

    We seem to be strong in the PG position, weak in the paint. Is Charalampopoulos still a promising prospect or he is a bust?
    Where is Big George?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toruko View Post
    Where is Big George?
    He's already in the senior team.

    The ones christodoulou76 names are future prospects.

    I would also add AEK's Tsalbouris to the above listing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EverGreen View Post
    He's already in the senior team.

    The ones christodoulou76 names are future prospects.

    I would also add AEK's Tsalbouris to the above listing.
    I would also add Tsoumanis then.

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    I forgot Lefteris Mantzoukas. I'm taking out P. Kalaitzakis and Kamperidis who are probably not good enough to make it. I'm also adding Tsoumanis and Tsalmpouris as suggested.

    future Greek NT players, maybe

    Lountzis, Moraitis, Arsenopoulos, Karampelas
    G. Kalaitzakis
    n/a
    Kalogiros, Tsoumanis, Mantzoukas
    Christidis, Tola, Tsalmpouris

    EDIT: I've removed Rogkavopoulos who I think is not disciplined or smart enough to be a future NT player.

    EDIT 2: I've added Tzouliano Tola.
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    Quote Originally Posted by christodoulou76 View Post
    After this qualification tournament Skourtopoulos has become more than flexible and willing to compromise with respect to the available roster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fasoulaki View Post
    After this qualification tournament Skourtopoulos has become more than flexible and willing to compromise with respect to the available roster.
    He has to be flexible. Gotta keep the NBA players happy because we need them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by christodoulou76 View Post
    The minute distribution might be something like this

    Calathes 28, Sloukas 12
    Sloukas 16, Dorsey 14, Larentzakis 6, Papapetrou 4
    Papanikolaou 18, Papapetrou 14, T. Antetokounmpo 8
    G. Antetokounmpo 18, Printezis 18, Mitoglou 4
    Bourousis 16, G. Antetokounmpo 14, Papagiannis 10

    It will be interesting to see if the aging former core of the team - Papanikolaou, Printezis, Bourousis - accept sub-20 MPG roles.
    G. Antetokounmpo, Sloukas, Calathes are obviously the key players, with Dorsey and Papapetrou as X factors.

    What happened to Agravanis? He used to be on the path to becoming a core NT player.
    If Dorsey doesn't show up, then who will be the 12th player? We need a fourth guard: only Athinaiou, Mantzaris, Koniaris, Saloustros are available. Papanikolaou will probably play some at shooting guard, with minute distribution something like this

    Calathes 28, Sloukas 8, Mantzaris? 4
    Sloukas 20, Larentzakis 10, Papapanikolaou 10
    Papanikolaou 10, Papapetrou 20, T. Antetokounmpo 10
    G. Antetokounmpo 16, Printezis 20, Mitoglou 4
    Bourousis 16, G. Antetokounmpo 14, Papagiannis 10

    Overall

    G. Antetokounmpo 30 mpg
    Sloukas, Calathes 28 mpg
    Papanikolaou, Papapetrou, Printezis 20 mpg
    Bourousis 16 mpg
    T. Anteokounmpo, Larentzakis, Papagiannis 10 mpg
    Mitoglou, Mantzaris? 4 mpg

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    Papanikolaou can't pay at sg. Cant bounce the ball without it being stolen.

    Dorsey will show up. Just need few more days.
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