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  • Greak Freak

    9 90.00%
  • Jokic

    2 20.00%
  • Porzingis

    1 10.00%
  • Gobert

    1 10.00%
  • Doncic

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Thread: Best Europeans in NBA today

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    1. Greak Freak. He's amazing. And while he's a pure Nigerian who happened to be born and live in Greece and so it's a bit of another feeling to put him here than some white stiff, he's officially European and by far the best baller of the continent. Actually I think he's the leading MVP candidate today in NBA.
    2. Jokic. Here's that stiff. Also fast food junky or at least used to be. However nearly a triple double machine and best passing big in bball history.
    3. Porzingis. He was on superstar mode when playing. Seems like he might be an injury prone, but he's a machine when he's healthy.
    4. Rudy Gobert. I don't know what Jazz does to score him 18pts, but he does, and his defensive presence is massive.

    and there things get tricky? how would you go from here?

    Here's the thing - Mirotic balling (is he really that good as he is now?), Gallinari, Dragic, both Bogdanovics balling, Bjelica, Vucevic, JV, Schroder, M. Gasol still somewhat relevant, Batum, Fournier, Nurkic, Kanter looking solidly (what did I miss?)...and I don't know what happened to Saric because I kinda see him as one of the best Euros at the moment, but something really happened to him.

    But! There's only three names that I want to follow from elite names in first 4 positions, who has a real shot to become the members new Euro hierarchy:

    5. Doncic. He's just destined to be great. Yet he's just warming up, but he will be great. 19yo.
    6. Sabonis. And some of you would be surprised, but he's a beast. He's tough, mobile, bully inside, can make a jumper, rebounding machine, good passer. I call him baby Jokic or as someone said baby fundamental. Really one of the best bigs in NBA already, a bit underused by Indiana. 22yo.
    7. Markkanen. Extremely gifted scorer. Now injured, but he can be an elite Euro in NBA, IMo. 21yo.

    and these 2 fellows that, IMO, should be included:

    8. Mirotic. He's getting into prime, and yet he's already 27yo he can dominate the league for quite some time now, even if I'm not sure
    he'll remain that good on regular basis.
    9. Saric. He's a great all around offensive player. Don't know what's happening with him this season, but he's only 24yo and should wake up as one of the best Euros now.

    Discuss and deliver your list.
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    Giannis 26,1pts
    Mirotic 22,4pts
    Gallinari 19,8pts
    Doncic 19,2pts
    Vucevic 19,0pts
    Jokic 18.0pts
    Dragic 17,7pts
    Gobert 16,6pts
    Ibaka 16,3pts
    Fournier 15,6pts
    M.Gasol 15,6pts
    Bjelica 15.6pts
    Capela 15,3pts
    Nurkic 14,9pts
    Schroder 14,6pts
    Kanter 14,1pts
    Valanciunas 13,9pts
    Bojan Bogdanovich 13,7pts
    Sabonis 13,6pts
    Osman 12,7pts
    Bellineli 11,5pts

    its early about 10 games played,but such averages are for this season and you can see some picture.

    if i have to make my starting 5 for 2018 game Dragic,Doncic,Giannis,Porzingis,Gobert

    Jokic and Mirotic would be first players coming from the bench.Overall most of the best europeans in nba are bigs,few europeans guards special ones that was able to make their imprint in nba in guard positions.
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    it's kinda hard to rank and label all of these euros in NBA, since all of them have very different roles in their respective teams, not to mention that some guys play for stacked elite championship level squads, while others are just padding their statlines in botom dwelling lottery clubs. The only thing that is obvious is that Greek Freak is a cut above the rest of them, while you can make an argument for any other of them an any given night. So I'd say Giannis is >>> all of the others, especially with Porzingis being still injured and already showing his liabilities regarding his health and longevity

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    1. Giannis
    2. Jokic
    3. Porzings
    4. Gobert

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    It appears to be a new very talented generation with Giannis, Jokic, Gobert, Porzingis. Three of them are in MVP race already and Porzingis probably could also get there if healthy.

    Also new young superstars section is basically nearly international - those thee Euros above (Gobert aside as he's 26yo), Embiid, Cat, Simmons. The only young USA superstar player is Anthony Davis.

    Pretty good times for international BB...
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    Giannis is like another Tony Parker, his style is just like a USA player, but a european only in name.

    He is the best european right now, then Jokic. I had big expectations from Bogdan Bogdanovic, but he didn't make that big jump yet.

    Also Dennis Schroder, Bojan Bogdanovic and Marc Gasol should be on your list.
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    i agree with the apparent consensus, the quarter of Giannis-Porzingis-Jokic-Gobert...

    for each one of them, at times I thought he was freaking amazing, and he is the best Euro at the moment. but then it keeps changing.

    I personally like Porzingis the most, probably because I watched him the most, when he was not injured, and also because he leads his NT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tevfik1907 View Post
    Also Dennis Schroder, Bojan Bogdanovic and Marc Gasol should be on your list.
    Schroder? Nah, I don't think so. A good player, but not super efficient, takes tons of shots, solid, but not great passer. Surely a good player, but not an elite peace and not a difference maker as Doncic is going to be or already is f.e.

    Bojan Bogdanovic? You better don't know my opinion on him His type of players wouldn't be a smell in my team. He's a good scorer (not very efficient BTW), but that's about it. No passing instincts, ballhog, semi- chucker. If you need a consistent medium-efficient scorer, take him, but that's all you gonna get from him. Besides, he's an average defender. Not an elite European in NBA, IMO. At least not a top 10 surely, IMO. Saric is surely better from Croats...

    Marc Gasol? Well he's still good, still mister fundamental, so yes, but he's declined already. ATM he would make top 10 I guess, but he's declining.
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    Slightly off topic but can anyone explain why the Clippers brought back Teodosic only not to play him? It made sense that they would release him after drafting Gilgeous-Alexander but instead they kept him. I was of the understanding he'd opted in because he's been offered a similar role to last season, 20-25 minutes per game. They don't like his lack of defense, obviously, his durability is an issue too, but why not let him leave?

    Also, I'm pretty sure it was straight forward who predicted last year that Teodosic's NBA career would prove similar to that of Jasikevicius and I think that has turned out to be pretty accurate.

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    All European NBA team, IMO:

    PG: Doncic, Schröder
    SG: Fournier, Bogdan Bogdanovic
    SF: Giannis, Gallinari, Bojan Bogdanovic
    PF: Porzingis, Sabonis, Mirotic
    C: Jokic, Gobert

    Honourable mention: Dragic PG, Saric, Markkanen PF, Marc Gasol C.
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    Positions and averages from 2018-19 NBA Player Stats: Per Game | Basketball-Reference.com (pt+rb+as+st+bl-to)
    C Vucevic, Jokic, Capela
    PF Giannis, Doncic, Mirotic
    SF Gallinari, Bogdan B, Osman
    SG Bojan B, Fournier, Belinelli
    PG Shroder, Dragic, Rubio

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    stats wise best european this season is Vucevic 20.5pts+12reb and is 7th ! in entire nba in eff (Jokic is 11th ,Capela 14th).But no love for him here,many dont even put him in top12 european list.I understand that he is playing for average team all that,but that all star player stats...I dont think that he is that good,but his number is fantastically good this season.

    I dont count Greak freak he is hands down best european player today, he is the only one that would made usa nt team .For me he is more afro-american than european .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawshank View Post
    I dont count Greak freak he is hands down best european player today, he is the only one that would made usa nt team .For me he is more afro-american than european .
    I agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawshank View Post
    stats wise best european this season is Vucevic 20.5pts+12reb and is 7th ! in entire nba in eff (Jokic is 11th ,Capela 14th).But no love for him here,many dont even put him in top12 european list.I understand that he is playing for average team all that,but that all star player stats...I dont think that he is that good,but his number is fantastically good this season.

    I dont count Greak freak he is hands down best european player today, he is the only one that would made usa nt team .For me he is more afro-american than european .
    It still surprises me people don't even mention this when it comes to French NT players like Batum and Gobert to say. Perhaps because they're not so dominant
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    african american and european are actually mutually exclusive terms (unlike being african european that is of course)

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    Quote Originally Posted by R1ou View Post
    It still surprises me people don't even mention this when it comes to French NT players like Batum and Gobert to say. Perhaps because they're not so dominant
    French people doesn't like it believe me, just read the news about 2018 World Cup Championship, some French people doesn't see that team as France NT.

    Though I am talking about the football, I don't think it would be any different for basketball.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawshank View Post
    stats wise best european this season is Vucevic 20.5pts+12reb and is 7th ! in entire nba in eff (Jokic is 11th ,Capela 14th).But no love for him here,many dont even put him in top12 european list.I understand that he is playing for average team all that,but that all star player stats...I dont think that he is that good,but his number is fantastically good this season.
    Not a crappy center, but far from worth giving too many credit. Takes tons of shots, shoots only 52% which is not good for a center, pretty soft defender and playing for a shitty team
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    I think Antetokounmpo has one problem if he is going to be a super-star, which is 3 pts and shots from outside of the baseline, in regular nba games it won't be a problem since the teams doesn't have any time to take special precautions for him, but for the high level games at playoffs surely the teams will use that at the defense.

    Even Jokic as a center can shoot 3 pts. Anteto can't drop his %70 FT percentage or the teams will use ''hack anteto'' tactics soon enough.
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    Hello everyone,,
    It appears to be a new very talented generation with Giannis, Jokic, Gobert, Porzingis. Three of them are in MVP race already and Porzingis probably could also get there if healthy.

    Also new young superstars section is basically nearly inro.in/gotomeeting/ inro.in/irfanview/ inro.in/town-of-salem/ international - those thee Euros above (Gobert aside as he's 26yo), Embiid, Cat, Simmons. The only young USA superstar player is Anthony Davis.

    Pretty good times for international BB....
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