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    Todd Purves? Who has been a successful coach here without prior experience coaching in the Philippines ? Tab had the NT. Cone and Compton are Americans but have been in the country for decades.

    Tab is a great coach because of his experience as a national team coach and a HC for different countries. ADMU was perfect for him because he was already here and has an idea of the politics here didnt have to relocate his fam again.If you’re a foreign head coach with tons of experience why would you fly to ASIA to coach a college team. You’re coaching pro teams and its such a downgrade to coach in a decent at best basketball country.

    Now DLSU has gotten coach Byrd whos resume doesnt come close to Tab’s and thats with ECJ’s banking. Chances are if you are getting a foreign coach you arent getting another Tab . Dickel has at least tab backing him up but he’s still kinda inexperienced and the jury is still out on him

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuck View Post
    Todd Purves? Who has been a successful coach here without prior experience coaching in the Philippines ? Tab had the NT. Cone and Compton are Americans but have been in the country for decades.

    Tab is a great coach because of his experience as a national team coach and a HC for different countries. ADMU was perfect for him because he was already here and has an idea of the politics here didnt have to relocate his fam again.If you’re a foreign head coach with tons of experience why would you fly to ASIA to coach a college team. You’re coaching pro teams and its such a downgrade to coach in a decent at best basketball country.

    Now DLSU has gotten coach Byrd whos resume doesnt come close to Tab’s and thats with ECJ’s banking. Chances are if you are getting a foreign coach you arent getting another Tab . Dickel has at least tab backing him up but he’s still kinda inexperienced and the jury is still out on him
    I dont think coaching in the UAAP is a downgrade . Basketball in the region has grown and foreign coaches are flying in. Heck Coach Purves is now coaching in Vietnam ...and dont think the VBA is more prestigious than the collegiate leagues here. The problem with local Coaches like Bo and JArin is the control over their team. UP and NU plays chaotic basketball, more often than not they rely on the players individual talent. Coach Bo admittedly said player development is his weakness so its kinda unfair for the country that he gets to coach all those blue chip talents.
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    hmmm... UP should inquire to Charles baka bakante si coach Rajko ngayon lol

    https://tiebreakertimes.com.ph/tbt/c...-sports/150345

    With some of Charles Tiu’s most trusted staff unable to commit to Mighty Sports for the 2019 William Jones Cup, the young mentor decided to call someone whom he trusts the most.

    And it was someone who paved the way for him into coaching.

    Serving as Tiu’s lead assistant for the Jones Cup is none other than former Gilas Pilipinas head coach and Tiu’s mentor Rajko Toroman.

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    I would put on hold the opinion that a foreign coach will solve all problems until I see how Coach Byrd performs in S82. To be fair, there are arguments as to why foreign coaches don't translate to instant success in volleyball (see: UP, Adamson). And our basketball programs, as backwards as many of us think it is, are much more advanced compared to our volleyball programs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoopaddict View Post
    I dont think coaching in the UAAP is a downgrade . Basketball in the region has grown and foreign coaches are flying in. Heck Coach Purves is now coaching in Vietnam ...and dont think the VBA is more prestigious than the collegiate leagues here. The problem with local Coaches like Bo and JArin is the control over their team. UP and NU plays chaotic basketball, more often than not they rely on the players individual talent. Coach Bo admittedly said player development is his weakness so its kinda unfair for the country that he gets to coach all those blue chip talents.
    Its like Football when you cant cut it in Barca or real then you transfer to smaller clubs until you find a club where your talent fits.

    Purves didnt cut in the PBA so he rightfully gets demoted to the Viet league.

    You dont think Tab coaching pro teams in NZ multiple NT teams didn’t downgrade to coach a college team?
    The only reason for a coach to uproot his whole family to coach a college team here is that he wasnt at that level anyway or he knew he wasnt gonna last long there and he had no direction might as well take this chance. Money of course will matter but imagine shelling out for the housing living expenses of the coach and probably his family. No doubt UP is well funded but that seems like a bad investment.

    Coach Byrd lives with the players in part cause hes young and has no family. I doubt a middle age coach with a fam would be alright with that setup especially if he has a family.

    Blame the players for picking BO if he flat out said that. Why would you play for him knowing that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuck View Post
    Its like Football when you cant cut it in Barca or real then you transfer to smaller clubs until you find a club where your talent fits.

    Purves didnt cut in the PBA so he rightfully gets demoted to the Viet league.

    You dont think Tab coaching pro teams in NZ multiple NT teams didn’t downgrade to coach a college team?
    The only reason for a coach to uproot his whole family to coach a college team here is that he wasnt at that level anyway or he knew he wasnt gonna last long there and he had no direction might as well take this chance. Money of course will matter but imagine shelling out for the housing living expenses of the coach and probably his family. No doubt UP is well funded but that seems like a bad investment.


    Coach Byrd lives with the players in part cause hes young and has no family. I doubt a middle age coach with a fam would be alright with that setup especially if he has a family.

    Blame the players for picking BO if he flat out said that. Why would you play for him knowing that.
    One thing to note is that there was word he was approached by Japan and Taiwan to coach their teams, but still chose to coach here, even if it's just Ateneo (Taiwan especially, since this supposedly happened after last year's Jones Cup)

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    So tempted to join in the conversation, .. might know too much for it to be appropriate though.

    but let me just put some context , in coaching job aspirations for coaches in Australia and NZ

    NZ NBL - no money basically... (coaches are looking for foreign gigs , with Europe being the desired destination,
    Australian NBL HC is high
    and of course National team HC is also high,
    coaching in Philppine colleges or PBA would be below those as desired foreign role.
    but yes it's true they want to go oversees and not stay locally with limited pay ( Mark Dickel coached in the NZ NBL and for Christ college

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    foreign coaches arent there just because they are better, its because they see basketball from. different perspective.. in a basketball loving country you need outsider opinions so that we will not as isolated as possible..
    To becomes Asia's Best, we need to compete against the World's Best..

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    my take on foreign vs local, like any discipline (lawyer, artist etc) in general the most capable person for the role is someone who has "expereince" specific to the role. For a head coaching job in the PBA , i don't think there is anyone more qualified in coaching in the league than the sucessfull PBA coaches like Tim Cone, even Greg Popovich won't be as good as Cone , especailly in his 1st year on the job as a PBA coach, simply because Pop lacks the specific nuances of coaching in the PBA environment ( he woud't even have a clue of how the local culture of players mind ticks) .
    Now specfically to the UAAP, if you get a coach (like Tab) whose familiar with coaching players with size ( Kourme , Go ) using the same rules (FIBA) he's had success previously with and has the luxury of time to prepare his team (full time 6 months pre season) , then yes a coach who has that experience from his past teams ( preparing a tall team for 6 month using basically FIBA rules).
    A coach with that similar experience basically is more capable of doing the job again that he's demonstrated he's done before. Compared to a local coach who say has never coached a Kourme (foregner /height) , never has developed anyone taller than 6' 7" , maybe never dealt with drafting a 6 month preperation plan ( as they do in FIBA tournaments) or possibly never coached in enviornment where there is expectations on managing stakeholders (alumni) , benefactors (owner of teams) and media and in front of 20 k spectators. By all means hire a local coach if he's been sucessful in demonstrating he can do all the factors i described above ( e.g. coaching and developing height)

    on another note for the U19 World cup , there simply no one locally who has coached a team of our height ( Kai, AJ ), euro PG (Dalph) in the competitive international environment as the U19 World cup ( mostly European and Amercians ( not Asian) in FIBA competition.. All the local coaches will be learning on the fly , expereimenting like Yeng ...
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    Another thing is do not underestimate , how a foreign big responds to a Filipino coach compared to an Amercian who generally foreigner players (even Africans) have more exposure and familarity with.

    To appreciate this just imagine... if you migrated as a teenager and reported to a supervisor / teacher who generally spoke (American English) that you're familar with in the Philippines , would't that be much easier for you to respond to than if you migrated say for example to Europe and your boss spoke in broken English with a different accent ( example French) .

    Do not underestimate this especially given alot of the recruits now in the UAAP are fil -foreigners.. Just talk to any FIL- am teenager and if they were asked , who do you want to coach, Tab whose an American or someone like Ayo, i tell you 95 % will respond to Tab better.
    As to homegrown siguro 50/ 50 lang some will like Tab some will like Ayo. Communication and getting along is huge in coaching (under estimated)

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    Quote Originally Posted by analyzed View Post
    my take on foreign vs local, like any discipline (lawyer, artist etc) in general the most capable person for the role is someone who has "expereince" specific to the role. For a head coaching job in the PBA , i don't think there is anyone more qualified in coaching in the league than the sucessfull PBA coaches like Tim Cone, even Greg Popovich won't be as good as Cone , especailly in his 1st year on the job as a PBA coach, simply because Pop lacks the specific nuances of coaching in the PBA environment ( he woud't even have a clue of how the local culture of players mind ticks) .
    Now specfically to the UAAP, if you get a coach (like Tab) whose familiar with coaching players with size ( Kourme , Go ) using the same rules (FIBA) he's had success previously with and has the luxury of time to prepare his team (full time 6 months pre season) , then yes a coach who has that experience from his past teams ( preparing a tall team for 6 month using basically FIBA rules).
    A coach with that similar experience basically is more capable of doing the job again that he's demonstrated he's done before. Compared to a local coach who say has never coached a Kourme (foregner /height) , never has developed anyone taller than 6' 7" , maybe never dealt with drafting a 6 month preperation plan ( as they do in FIBA tournaments) or possibly never coached in enviornment where there is expectations on managing stakeholders (alumni) , benefactors (owner of teams) and media and in front of 20 k spectators. By all means hire a local coach if he's been sucessful in demonstrating he can do all the factors i described above ( e.g. coaching and developing height)

    on another note for the U19 World cup , there simply no one locally who has coached a team of our height ( Kai, AJ ), euro PG (Dalph) in the competitive international environment as the U19 World cup ( mostly European and Amercians ( not Asian) in FIBA competition.. All the local coaches will be learning on the fly , expereimenting like Yeng ...
    You nailed this one. An american college or pro coach expects at least 6 players who are heavily muscled and very athletic, as a heavy contact and running sport like basketball absolutely requires. Even a light non-contact sport like bowling requires a strong and tall athlete like paeng nepomuceno to excel. That coach will also refuse to coach a team with athletes who are 6'5 and taller numbering less than seven, because SUCCESSFULLY battling seven footers all game long is a minimum skill for ANY baller team.

    Did i forget to mention that shooting accuracy and lockdown defense considerably improve too if you are taller, longer and jump higher than your baller opposition?

    This minimum fiba size and athleticism are never enforced in a pba, much less collegiate, team. Only bad and very bad competitiveness results, as easily predictable, therefore became the rule. Why, even a team with forgettable uaap championship results and coach bo perasol like the up maroons will never go below top final 4 simply by strictly enforcing the abovementioned fiba-class size, athleticism, and hopefully shooting accuracy abilities, on their teams. If you like many midget ballers in your team, you are expecting unstated small results too and excuses for losing at the back of your mind.

    The pathetic end result is best stated by 5'7 barroca who wished their magnolia team has somebody to stop a mere slow 6'10 carabao like fajardo. And fajardo, by no stretch of imagination, was ever expected to compete well with taller thoroughbred horses like giannis antetokounmpo, despite lots of strong sprinting horses being bare minimum for fiba war games. It will not even embarrass a pba coach to admit that, outside of the san miguel team, the other teams cant even reliably beat any of the top ten chinese or iranian commercial teams.
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    Well to be fair as far as coaching our youth team in international competitions is concerned, Tab was the best option possible and thats a fact.
    To becomes Asia's Best, we need to compete against the World's Best..

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulrenzo View Post
    One thing to note is that there was word he was approached by Japan and Taiwan to coach their teams, but still chose to coach here, even if it's just Ateneo (Taiwan especially, since this supposedly happened after last year's Jones Cup)
    Tab has a family im sure its hard moving all the time. Taiwan aint that nice of a basketball team.

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    Exactly its going to be hard to find a foreign coach who will accept the Job and do well here. There arent many Tab Baldwins around . Not too many coaches walking around with that level of experience to carry over in a UAAP setting.


    Also Ayo is a terrible example because he might be the only coach in the UAAP who cant speak English well hes more of the exemption not the rule. Also the only school without a fil-am iirc. Since the topic was UP Bo speaks well and with great english in the interviews. Players like playing for him .

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    Baltazar with 21 points and 16 rebounds. Great potential in this kid

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    Quote Originally Posted by xenoloxy View Post
    Baltazar with 21 points and 16 rebounds. Great potential in this kid
    mind boggling why NU let him go. im sure they can offer whatever dlsu can offer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by digitalsuperman View Post
    mind boggling why NU let him go. im sure they can offer whatever dlsu can offer.
    If NU kept him they would've had 4 6'8 guys last year. Good big man rotation for college filipino teams

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    Quote Originally Posted by digitalsuperman View Post
    mind boggling why NU let him go. im sure they can offer whatever dlsu can offer.
    Baltazar is part of the Pineda stable who has ties to ECJ .
    His best players go to Dlsu if ECJ wants them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuck View Post
    Baltazar is part of the Pineda stable who has ties to ECJ .
    His best players go to Dlsu if ECJ wants them
    Yes he and Dyke correct me if I’m wrong. This will gonna be a break-out season for Baltazar.

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    La Salle has a new Fil-Am recruit. 6'4-6-5" versatile forward.
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