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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRodster21 View Post
    Is it really a coincidence that the 6’5-6’7 players move like they are 7’0 tall?
    That’s my hypothesis. If we were 4 inches taller than our usual height then we might see better players internationally.we could have produced more 7 foot players other than Kai Sotto.
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    discussion made me remember this quote


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    Quote Originally Posted by lurklurk View Post
    discussion made me remember this quote

    That is just patching up a problem that is long overdue. Ano ba naman May improve yung average height natin kahit konti, Philippines is the second shortest population in SouthEast Asia (2nd shortest in a short group).Although it is not an easy problem to solve,its not an impossible problem to solve either. We could improve on our training facilities and our trainers but it would be improbable if not impossible to send a dwarf in the NBA.
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    I think the most feasible way for anyone to improve our height is to find a tall girl to marry and have kids with or better if they could find a foreign girl to marry and have kids with hehe just don’t forget to get your kids a passport.Kidding aside I think proper nutrition could help our kids become taller and avoid being obese and of course our government should have programs to avoid malnutrition.
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    One can waste a lot of time thinking about impossibilities. There is no, and will never be, such things as a 7'2 fajardo or a 6'5 alapag. This is exactly the same as wishing the dead were alive, and completely pointless.

    What can be done is to finance, focus on and form two equally big and strong national teams. One can transfer players when there are occasional issues on injuries or unavailability. These really are pro paid teams, with player option to transfer to the pba when anyone is 23 or older, or play half-season of uaap/ncaa for their chosen college teams.

    Provided that the pba contract covers at most two of the three or more pba "seasons" per year for players who are not delisted from the national team. This ensures the best players have enough practice time and healing rest time for the fiba season.

    One team can be a sotto, edu, kouame (as special local), aguilar, quiambao, erram, ramos and clarkson core. The other could be a sage tolentino, diouf (as special local), fajardo, mccullough, cortez, paras, jalen green and thirdy core.

    One team is not weaker than the other. The purpose is to create two exceptionally talented teams with unique yet powerful ways of winning. One can easily add other exceptionally talented pro or qualified filfor "specialist" guards and forwards, eg "enforcer" navarro or "kamikaze" pringle, as the core players are internationally sized and competitive from the start. Lots of pinoys with mma skills; physical defense on a simmons should not be a problem.

    This nt arrangement also do not conflict with pba and uaap/ncaa player needs, as the nt players effectively are just participating as imported reinforcements.

    It also does not tire down players, as the two nt teams may alternate in representation for each fiba qualification phase. Hard to scout, and hard to beat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex07 View Post
    I think the most feasible way for anyone to improve our height is to find a tall girl to marry and have kids with or better if they could find a foreign girl to marry and have kids with hehe just don’t forget to get your kids a passport.Kidding aside I think proper nutrition could help our kids become taller and avoid being obese and of course our government should have programs to avoid malnutrition.
    it's not a joke.one reason why filipinos have remained relatively short is because cross-island breeding between and among the inhabitants of the archipelago is still atypical due to their lack of opportunity to travel from one island to another. so, if the average height of a population within an island is below 5'3, the island is likely to put up with this average for a much longer period of time as its inhabitants will rarely get the opportunity to find stockier and healthier partners living in the other islands.

    so what's the takeaway? filipinos will never be of above average height unless the government intervenes, directly or indirectly.

    a direct intervention may be something along the lines of a holistic nutrition program, or the passing of a law easing up on foreigners undergoing the naturalization process (instant tall filipinos), or simply killing off the genetically inferior lol like what north korea supposedly did during kim il sung's reign. an indirect intervention may include opening up our economy to attract more foreign direct investments from western and other allied investors like japan to create real opportunities for people so they can move about and diversify the gene-pool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAMSKIE View Post
    Right materials (the right kind of players), enough preparation & competent coaching are the keys to success.

    When I said enough preparation, I don't necessarily mean, we need to start full time training of the National team 5 or 6 months prior to the FIBA World Cup. There's no way our team can train full time for 5 or 6 months prior to the World Cup. Preparation for such a big tournament should be an accumulation of playing/practicing/training together as a team thru the years going into the FIBA World Cup. Say the National team plays/trains/practices for an average of 2 months per year, in 4 years the National team will have a total of 8 months of training/preparation. That is what accumulated training/preparation is all about. And that is what teams like China, Iran, & other teams have been doing for years/decades now.

    Realistically, these countries/teams were able to do this simply because their pro leagues have a much longer off-season compared to ours. No need to elaborate. Everybody here understands what I'm implying.
    Problem solve if;
    -the PBA will have a real off-season(minimum 4 months)
    -PBA to run for 7-8 months
    - Two conferences for PBA( All Filipino single round-robin and Reinforced conference with 2 imports of unlimited height)
    - maximum of 2 FIBA ineligible players for each team in PBA

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    Problem solve if;
    -the PBA will have a real off-season(minimum 4 months)
    -PBA to run for 7-8 months
    - Two conferences for PBA( All Filipino single round-robin and Reinforced conference with 2 imports of unlimited height)
    - maximum of 2 FIBA ineligible players for each team in PBA
    That's a big IF however bro.

    There's no way PBA will cut its season to 8 or 7 months. PBA will make "bawi" of the profit/money it lost during the Covid-19 crisis.

    A more realistic possibility is PBA cutting its season to 9 months
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAMSKIE View Post
    That's a big IF however bro.

    There's no way PBA will cut its season to 8 or 7 months. PBA will make "bawi" of the profit/money it lost during the Covid-19 crisis.

    A more realistic possibility is PBA cutting its season to 9 months
    I believe Snow Badua as much as everyone here either hates (or love) him lol has suggested very nice ways to for PBA and Gilas to look at. This requires pretty much copying blue prints from USA and Europe.

    -PBA can cut down their season to at least 7-8 months. October-May. Cut down Play Off Games.
    -a summer league with rookies and free agents also televised preseason could cover the missed 4 months.
    -Games on Fridays,Saturdays,Sundays in Manila and Mondays and Wednesdays in Province
    -1st Conference All Filipino, 2nd Conference Import no height limit and 3rd Conference 2 import Invitation Tournament Format with low tier euro teams and probably Aus/Nzl teams. Gilas also plays in this tournament.

    Shorter season allows us our players to try their luck overseas I guess. Also of course for Gilas to have longer prep.

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    I would give Asi more incetives to act like a rabbit and produce more children. He only has daughters so far. 3 sons from Asi could be a great contribution. HIs wife is a tall beauty queen so the genes will be there for the sons. Haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by live_evil View Post
    I would give Asi more incetives to act like a rabbit and produce more children. He only has daughters so far. 3 sons from Asi could be a great contribution. HIs wife is a tall beauty queen so the genes will be there for the sons. Haha
    Wait for Japeth and Cassy’s children Japeth 6’9 arguably the most athletic homegrown of all time and Cassy a 5’11 former UAAP player and was also active in Women’s commercial leagues. Ping’s son is also showing some nice handles also seem to be a Sotto with a Lanky built. Sottos are relatively tall too Bossing’s family has an avg height of 5’11 (Not just Kai and Ervin lol). SBP needs to contact trace the kids of these former players lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccharmed View Post
    One can waste a lot of time thinking about impossibilities. There is no, and will never be, such things as a 7'2 fajardo or a 6'5 alapag. This is exactly the same as wishing the dead were alive, and completely pointless.

    What can be done is to finance, focus on and form two equally big and strong national teams. One can transfer players when there are occasional issues on injuries or unavailability. These really are pro paid teams, with player option to transfer to the pba when anyone is 23 or older, or play half-season of uaap/ncaa for their chosen college teams.

    Provided that the pba contract covers at most two of the three or more pba "seasons" per year for players who are not delisted from the national team. This ensures the best players have enough practice time and healing rest time for the fiba season.

    One team can be a sotto, edu, kouame (as special local), aguilar, quiambao, erram, ramos and clarkson core. The other could be a sage tolentino, diouf (as special local), fajardo, mccullough, cortez, paras, jalen green and thirdy core.

    One team is not weaker than the other. The purpose is to create two exceptionally talented teams with unique yet powerful ways of winning. One can easily add other exceptionally talented pro or qualified filfor "specialist" guards and forwards, eg "enforcer" navarro or "kamikaze" pringle, as the core players are internationally sized and competitive from the start. Lots of pinoys with mma skills; physical defense on a simmons should not be a problem.

    This nt arrangement also do not conflict with pba and uaap/ncaa player needs, as the nt players effectively are just participating as imported reinforcements.

    It also does not tire down players, as the two nt teams may alternate in representation for each fiba qualification phase. Hard to scout, and hard to beat.
    I dont think it is an impossibility. Kai is literally a 7'2 improved version of JMF . Aj Edu is A Smart Version of Japeth.

    6'5 Alapag/Castro. Yeah, as of now, there is none yet.

    But they will come in the furture. In the FUTURE. Back in 2011, we did not expect we will have Sotto and Edu, But they did come.

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    Since recently everyone’s favourite topic and discussion has been player development. I believe everyone should have a read about the 4 stages of player development in the USA. I know Europeans develop better players since they are good while not being athletic and massive and Americans are naturally athletic. So to listen to USA player development is not as good as listening to European player Development.

    INTRODUCTORY LEVEL:
    Learn fundamental movement skills and build overall motor skills. Participation once or twice per week in basketball but daily participation in other sport activity is essential for further excellence. Group skill competitions recommended throughout the level. Introduction to team principles/concepts ONLY, avoid actual 5x5 competition until fundamentals are further developed.

    FOUNDATIONAL LEVEL:
    Learn all fundamental and basic basketball-specific skills, establish building blocks for overall basketball skills. 70% of time is spent on individual fundamental training and only 30% of the time is spent on actual game competition. Teach position concepts, but DO NOT assign player positions at any point in the level. Divide actual competition between special games (1x1, 2x2, 3x3, skill games) and 5x5 play, trying not to focus on actual 5x5 competition until later in the level.

    ADVANCED LEVEL:
    Build the aerobic base, build strength towards the end of the level and further develop overall basketball skills. Build the “engine” and consolidate basketball skills. Early in the level, 60% of the time is spent on individual training and 40% is spent on competition including 5x5 play, special games (1x1, 2x2, 3x3, skill games) as well as team-oriented practices. Later in the level, depending on mastery of skills, the switch can be made to a 50:50 training to competition ratio and positions can be assigned.

    PERFORMANCE LEVEL:
    Maximize fitness and competition preparation as well as individual and position-specific skills. Optimize the “engine” of skills and performance. Training to competition ratio in this phase shifts to 25:75, understanding that the competition percentage includes team-oriented practices and other competition-specific preparations.



    https://www.usab.com/youth/news/2015...urriculum.aspx
    good read

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    Quote Originally Posted by qwertyz View Post
    Wait for Japeth and Cassy’s children Japeth 6’9 arguably the most athletic homegrown of all time and Cassy a 5’11 former UAAP player and was also active in Women’s commercial leagues. Ping’s son is also showing some nice handles also seem to be a Sotto with a Lanky built. Sottos are relatively tall too Bossing’s family has an avg height of 5’11 (Not just Kai and Ervin lol). SBP needs to contact trace the kids of these former players lol
    What about junmar? On Greg? What happened to their love careers? Sayang genes nila...

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    Quote Originally Posted by robert0326 View Post
    What about junmar? On Greg? What happened to their love careers? Sayang genes nila...
    Junmar just broke up with his volleyball player GF

    Greg can find a girl in US.

    Almazan and Erram I do not Know abiut their lovelife

    Their kids can be our prospects in 2047 and 2052.

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    Quote Originally Posted by live_evil View Post
    I would give Asi more incetives to act like a rabbit and produce more children. He only has daughters so far. 3 sons from Asi could be a great contribution. HIs wife is a tall beauty queen so the genes will be there for the sons. Haha
    But maybe it is an indicative that he can only produce girl babies

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    Quote Originally Posted by qwertyz View Post

    [FONT="]INTRODUCTORY LEVEL:[/FONT]
    [FONT="]Learn fundamental movement skills and build overall motor skills. Participation once or twice per week in basketball but daily participation in other sport activity is essential for further excellence. Group skill competitions recommended throughout the level. Introduction to team principles/concepts ONLY, avoid actual 5x5 competition until fundamentals are further developed.[/FONT]
    [FONT="] [/FONT]
    [FONT="]FOUNDATIONAL LEVEL:[/FONT]
    [FONT="]Learn all fundamental and basic basketball-specific skills, establish building blocks for overall basketball skills. 70% of time is spent on individual fundamental training and only 30% of the time is spent on actual game competition. Teach position concepts, but DO NOT assign player positions at any point in the level. Divide actual competition between special games (1x1, 2x2, 3x3, skill games) and 5x5 play, trying not to focus on actual 5x5 competition until later in the level.[/FONT]
    [FONT="] [/FONT]
    [FONT="]ADVANCED LEVEL:[/FONT]
    [FONT="]Build the aerobic base, build strength towards the end of the level and further develop overall basketball skills. Build the “engine” and consolidate basketball skills. Early in the level, 60% of the time is spent on individual training and 40% is spent on competition including 5x5 play, special games (1x1, 2x2, 3x3, skill games) as well as team-oriented practices. Later in the level, depending on mastery of skills, the switch can be made to a 50:50 training to competition ratio and positions can be assigned.[/FONT]
    [FONT="] [/FONT]
    [FONT="]PERFORMANCE LEVEL:[/FONT]
    Maximize fitness and competition preparation as well as individual and position-specific skills. Optimize the “engine” of skills and performance. Training to competition ratio in this phase shifts to 25:75, understanding that the competition percentage includes team-oriented practices and other competition-specific preparations.
    I think whats missing in Philippine Basketball or Philippine Sports in general in the introductory level. Our Basketball players dont even run properly on the court, watch rosario, kobe, benjie, japeth. Yes those players may have extraordinary athleticism but very poor form. Some might not have participated in daily sports. That is probably one of the reasons why our players aren’t really great two way players. In some cases you dont have to play multiple sports but in some cases you kinda do. Guys like Castro and Barroca are very good defenders and are pesky might be because of their track and field experience. I know Troy, Kiefer played volleyball but other players like Fajardo (dota/billiards), Romeo (chess) along with many other players have shown poor foundations of being an athlete. Good basketball players yes but not good athletes. I know other countries they would open players to play other sports but in the Philippines there aren’t really much dual sport athletes. Maybe that is what’s missing.

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    Start with football or dancing first. Great for footwork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by live_evil View Post
    Start with football or dancing first. Great for footwork.
    Which I believe is why Johnny A was able to land awkwardly and take off awkwardly too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by live_evil View Post
    Start with football or dancing first. Great for footwork.
    I think the 2 youngest edu brothers are football player.

    Aj and Femi are in basketball.

    Their 2 younger brothers plays football. Sana magshift sila sa basketball

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