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    Quote Originally Posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
    We can if Usa will not parade their best players(I higjly doubt)

    Spain, Serbia, Argentina will be tough.

    But given the situations you gave, we will be at par with italy or greece
    We almost beat Argentina back in 2014 and we only had andray blatche and a bunch of midgets along with junmar. Of course they, Serbia and Spain will be tough but beatable.

    And even if clarkson won't get the green, so long as we get the right naturalized player, with enough preparation, we still can beta the Argentinines. They beat the Serbs which beat us black and blue but I think we match up well with the Argentinians because of the brand of basketball they play. We also matched up pretty well with the Puerto Ricans who play similar with the Argentinians. What more if we will have much better players than what we had back in 2014
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    Quote Originally Posted by astigram04 View Post
    I wil reserve my predictions until we have a clear idea of how the uneup will look like. But IMO, Kai, aj, perez and remy Martin are must haves as far as the local makeup of the team is concerned. Getting kouame exempted will be a big boost but nothing will beat the impact of a Jordan clarkson being allowed to play as a local. Then we get the right naturalized player and I think we can upset any team except the Americans
    Hmmm so based on what you’re saying.

    PG: Remy Martin/
    SG: Jordan Clarkson/CJ Perez
    SF: Chris McCullough/
    PF: AJ Edu/
    C: Kai Sotto/Ange Kouame

    Then just plug in the kiefer cadet core. Ray Parks Jr., Kiefer Ravena, Troy Rosario, RR Pogoy, Matthew Wright. Then some of the current cadets Thirdy Ravena, Juan GDL, Javi GDL, Dwight Ramos, Kobe Paras. Also some of the past gilas players who could still be serviceable such as June Mar Fajardo, Poy Erram,Robert Bolick, Terrence Romeo, Ian Sangalang and Raymond Almazan. Then we have ourselves a (dream)pool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by curtaincall View Post
    Hmmm so based on what you’re saying.

    PG: Remy Martin/
    SG: Jordan Clarkson/CJ Perez
    SF: Chris McCullough/
    PF: AJ Edu/
    C: Kai Sotto/Ange Kouame

    Then just plug in the kiefer cadet core. Ray Parks Jr., Kiefer Ravena, Troy Rosario, RR Pogoy, Matthew Wright. Then some of the current cadets Thirdy Ravena, Juan GDL, Javi GDL, Dwight Ramos, Kobe Paras. Also some of the past gilas players who could still be serviceable such as June Mar Fajardo, Poy Erram,Robert Bolick, Terrence Romeo, Ian Sangalang and Raymond Almazan. Then we have ourselves a (dream)pool.
    Those first 7 you mentioned should be a very strong core. Yes, it could be mccollough or someone else but I'm definitely thinking of a SF who can also play a bit in the post. Junemar should still be there if he's healthy. I also prefer to have Terence romeo but it seems that some people in the SBP does not prefer him, bollick should be a good replacement. Hopefully kobe will be ripe by then. Thirdy could be there too, or Ramos, maybe JGDL, Ildefonso, oftana or abando. Matt Nieto might also be there. Ray parks is definitely a player we could use on both ends of the floor and playing both guard positions but the guy seems not interested. But if you already have clarkson, perez, Martin and bollick, I think you have pretty much what you need for both guard positions

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    Quote Originally Posted by curtaincall View Post
    Hmmm so based on what you’re saying.

    PG: Remy Martin/
    SG: Jordan Clarkson/CJ Perez
    SF: Chris McCullough/
    PF: AJ Edu/
    C: Kai Sotto/Ange Kouame

    Then just plug in the kiefer cadet core. Ray Parks Jr., Kiefer Ravena, Troy Rosario, RR Pogoy, Matthew Wright. Then some of the current cadets Thirdy Ravena, Juan GDL, Javi GDL, Dwight Ramos, Kobe Paras. Also some of the past gilas players who could still be serviceable such as June Mar Fajardo, Poy Erram,Robert Bolick, Terrence Romeo, Ian Sangalang and Raymond Almazan. Then we have ourselves a (dream)pool.
    PG: Remy Martin/Ray Parks Jr./Terrence Romeo
    SG: Jordan Clarkson/CJ Perez
    SF: Chris McCullough/Thirdy Ravena
    PF: AJ Edu/Troy Rosario
    C: Kai Sotto/Ange Kouame/June Mar Fajardo
    Would be a toss between kiefer, bolick and romeo. This might be the most internationally experienced RP team and also the tallest. I think we have a good case for Kouame. Remy and Jordan’s case still very doubtful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qwertyz View Post
    PG: Remy Martin/Ray Parks Jr./Terrence Romeo
    SG: Jordan Clarkson/CJ Perez
    SF: Chris McCullough/Thirdy Ravena
    PF: AJ Edu/Troy Rosario
    C: Kai Sotto/Ange Kouame/June Mar Fajardo
    Would be a toss between kiefer, bolick and romeo. This might be the most internationally experienced RP team and also the tallest. I think we have a good case for Kouame. Remy and Jordan’s case still very doubtful.
    And who will be the coach is important.

    If "Coach Sandy" level coach will coach it, it will put into naught.

    We need a world fiba caliber coach. I think if SBP will hire a coach, he must have a better resume than coach tab. It is weird to have an assistant coach which is better than the head coach in national teams

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    I think the best coach for Fiba 2023 would be Tim Cone,cause he knows well how Filipino basketball style is..his patriotism for Filipino is high because of his long tenure in the Philippines.

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    ^^The problem with this is, Tim Cone's experience is mostly just PBA with one stint in the Asian games and in the SEA Games.

    We need someone with more international experience. And Filipino fans should learn to bite their tongues and give these coaches a slack if their "manok" did not make it to the line up.

    We also need to be more open to international coaches in ALL our leagues to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allan_373 View Post
    I think the best coach for Fiba 2023 would be Tim Cone,cause he knows well how Filipino basketball style is..his patriotism for Filipino is high because of his long tenure in the Philippines.
    Sorry, but that is not good enough. FIBA is way more competitive than PBA. Filipino style of basketball is outdated. And most coaches have 5-10 years experience playing against top teams internationally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allan_373 View Post
    I think the best coach for Fiba 2023 would be Tim Cone,cause he knows well how Filipino basketball style is..his patriotism for Filipino is high because of his long tenure in the Philippines.
    Yeng Guiao knows what Filipino basketball style is, yet...

    Its not about being familiar with Filipino brand of basketball. Its about being familiar with FIBA brand of basketball
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    Quote Originally Posted by Artek View Post
    ^^The problem with this is, Tim Cone's experience is mostly just PBA with one stint in the Asian games and in the SEA Games.

    We need someone with more international experience. And Filipino fans should learn to bite their tongues and give these coaches a slack if their "manok" did not make it to the line up.

    We also need to be more open to international coaches in ALL our leagues to them.
    I couldn't agree with you more
    "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAMSKIE View Post
    Yeng Guiao knows what Filipino basketball style is, yet...

    Its not about being familiar with Filipino brand of basketball. Its about being familiar with FIBA brand of basketball
    THIS. 100% agree

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    Everyone should watch again how Tim Cone SEAG's team handled that single/double/triple ball screen compared to dickel/tab's team against Indonesia. You can see the difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZIMATAR View Post
    Everyone should watch again how Tim Cone SEAG's team handled that single/double/triple ball screen compared to dickel/tab's team against Indonesia. You can see the difference.
    plus tim cone’s team are mostly veterans so more matured and experienced. won by 27 i think (indonesians fans think they are catching up). while dickel’s team mostly inexperienced with the help of coach tab won by 30. mostly pinoy hoop fans thinks a hall of fame coach in the PBA will be good in international game.lol. what if Coach Tim was the head coach of the 1st window team for a two weeks of practice. we all know he’s depending more on veterans and not good developing young players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZIMATAR View Post
    Everyone should watch again how Tim Cone SEAG's team handled that single/double/triple ball screen compared to dickel/tab's team against Indonesia. You can see the difference.
    what an insight, i couldn't find the links yet but im very eager to see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spidey102279 View Post
    How about Geo Chiu? He looks more mobile and taller than Go, and also improving his 3pt shot. He is also playing PF now for the Eaglets.
    I like what I am seeing with Chiu, he has quick feet and his 6ft9 big body who can at least bang it up a bit sown low. he is improving but still a work in progress. I hope he get to train abroad too as well as Tamayo and Cortez.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raileebeast2 View Post
    what an insight, i couldn't find the links yet but im very eager to see it.
    youtube. espn5 channel you can see the full games and highlights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sajubeads View Post
    I think CJ will never be a PG, he is actually SF in Phil setting but can play SG... So he is shooin at SG to me though... Im not completely sold on Wright... To thin to be a SF, I would rather have Navarro as our Norwood... Wala na ba chance si Martin as local... He should be our starting PG...
    agree... CJ can be a solid SG, I am sorry but Wright was a non factor sa mga international games. I would preffer Navarro or Dwight Ramos walang kabang tumira. How i hope Jordi's body will fill out , i guess he is the best shooter we can have. More consistent walang daga sa dibdib tumira.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
    Gilas 2023 lineup will be a lot different. Many players can came out and develop.

    Hope we are ready by then. Fiba can exempt clarkson and martin(if ineligible) just to have the host a fighting chance. Hope they do.

    My prediction is gilas will be in top 16 in 2023 at best, and secind round at worst
    sooo...ano po ba talaga ? ineligible ba talaga si Martin? sayang naman...gustong gusto maglaro nung bata sa atin. Akala ko na ayos yung passport nya before 16

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    Quote Originally Posted by astigram04 View Post
    Some bit of good news (if it actually happens), tab Baldwin is now being eyed by the SBP to handle our youth program. I think that is the most logical thing to do. He will not be as effective handling our men's team as those established stars have already developed some habits that just can't be changed anymore.

    Kai, tamayo, JDGL, Dave ildefonso should already be ready for 2023 should this happen. Aj Edu and Remy Martin are already getting the training in The states. add a couple of vets and a naturalized player and we should be more than enough to surpass our 2014 performance
    woww/... i hope this is true aand i hope this happens.

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    My point is what happens to Tab Baldwin and Rajko Toroman,They have FIBA Experiences,they lead our national team last year,only Chot Reyes makes it to beat one team in FIBA which I remembered is Senegal.I think Tim Cone has a capability like Chot Reyes,

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