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    the Euro qualifiers for 2019 Fiba world cup is one week away.

    Good thing is that we'll see a wide-array of national teams facing each-other. Bad thing is obviously the absence of way too many players due to NBA schedule and ULEB/FIBA conflict.

    November 24, 2017.

    Israel - Estonia
    Turkey - Latvia
    Bulgaria - Finland
    Czech Republic - Iceland
    Poland - Hungary
    Bosnia Herzegovina - Russia
    Sweden - Ukraine
    Kosovo - Lithuania
    Germany - Georgia
    Montenegro - Spain
    Netherlands - Croatia
    Serbia - Austria
    Italy - Romania
    Slovenia - Belarus
    Belgium - France
    Great Britain - Greece

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    Ridiculously convenient for me as it's a day off for a lot of people in the States. Hopefully ESPN will have all these games available to stream.
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    Strong performance. Melih was great agaiin like most of the team. Batuk was only bad player today and Gešim must definetely play above him. Erden was also bad in his limited minutes. I don`t understand why he started over Şanlı as in Beşiktaş Şanlı is the starter. We don`t have a playmaker in the second unit so either Berk or Gešim must play against Ukraine

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    Watching some of these home European crowds is pretty great. For all the faults of the set up, this is definitely one of the positives.
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    The national teams of Greece and Spain playing qualifiers simultaneously while Real Madrid plays Panathinaikos in the Euroleague. Strange days indeed.

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    Great Britain - Greece 54 - 55 at the end of 3rd quarter
    Overtime and GB has the momentum because he turned 10p difference in 1 min
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    Oh wow I can't believe Greece blew that lead! Thought the game was done but we're going to OT.
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    Russian players made some harsh fouls in the last minute of the game. Not sure did they tried to send BiH players to the free throws line, or to injury them

    At least D. Kulagin was awarded with the unsportsmanlike foul.

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    Greece survives a scare with an absolute monster 3 to win it in OT. 95-92
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    Greece won 95-92 after a crazy game
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    That'll teach me not to turn off the game with a minute left. Shame GB couldn't hold on for the win.
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    It was actually nice watching the Greek NT in November. I couldn't believe Greece blew an advantage like that. But it was also exciting the way they won it. What can you expect though. Preparing a game like that in just a few days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dtown View Post
    Greece survives a scare with an absolute monster 3 to win it in OT. 95-92
    Yep, that Athinaiou triple was terrific. I still feel poor for GB cause they've made such a comeback and were leading during the overtime. Okereafor, who mostly played solid before, was not able to control the tempo late in the OT, I guess he was exhausted at that point. By the way, I liked what I saw from the recent Mountaineer graduate Tarik Phillip. I've checked his stats in Hungary and was surprised once again to find out that these were pretty unremarkable.

    Russia lost to a really mediocre BiH. I guess, quite deservedly but I had no nerves to watch the second half. Yet in the first one there was a errific amount of stupid mistakes and a complete lack of offensive organization from our side. Concentration also wasn't there. After a good qualification campaign for EB-2017 and a decent run there it all looks terribly familiar - it seems that we are heading back to the years after London Olympics. I won't be surprised if this would be followed by a row of scandals soon. Karasyov was included in the squad (it was close to optimal, only Shved and Mozgov were missed) but haven't played a minute for some reason. I don't know about this current situation (maybe an injury?) but this looks weird knowing how much his father and Bazarevich were rivals for Russian NT head coach position. Overall an absolutely shameful performance. It's a one thing to get ripped by Musa (who was mostly bad today) but it's quite an other thing to get ripped by the likes of Milosevic and friggin Stipanovic. Something tells me that we won't qualify.

    Overall I've seen some glimpses of other games (including a good part of exciting Netherlands upset against Croatia, who was punished for sending their C squad as many core players who don't even play in NBA or Jordileague were mysteriously absent, an upset where a minor favourite of mine Yannick Franke shone bright) and now I think that generally this format was a good idea. The crowds in many places were numerous, active and these games, despite all the absences, definitely had a pleasant 'FIFA-qualies'-like atmosphere. That's a great thing. Even NBA absences won't spoil an excitement.

    But IMG Jordileague scumbags did their best to rob many teams of their brightest stars. Why couldn't these scoundrels pause their retarded, tedious, laughable competition for just two games? I guess, it's not even about FIBA, it's their bitter enmity to the general idea of international basketball with its own face and character. These shameless bastards want to completely morph European basketball tradition into brainless, disgusting NBA-mimicking. But we are not Chinese for God's sake and even for them "poor man's NBA'' didn't become a competition to be proud of despite all the money it is generously awashed with.
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    Terrorizer, Bazarevich said after the game that Karasev had a sudden fever. He also pointed out that it was a huge loss not just because he was seen as one of the key players, but he also looked great on the trainings. Bazarevich was obviously very disapointed with him not been able to play and I don't think there's anything mysteriously there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BiHBasket View Post
    Terrorizer, Bazarevich said after the game that Karasev had a sudden fever. He also pointed out that it was a huge loss not just because he was seen as one of the key players, but he also looked great on the trainings. Bazarevich was obviously very disapointed with him not been able to play and I don't think there's anything mysteriously there.
    Oh, thanks for the info (let's hope that what was said is true) and also congrats for the win. We didn't allow you to go to EuroBasket in 2017, your chances to do the same with our pariticpation in a World Cup in 2019 now are definitely high.

    Argh, why after our NT does something good everyone here starts to pay zero attention to it and everything goes to shit in a blink of an eye? A rhetoric question, for sure.
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    It should have never come down that close after leading by double digits with like 80 seconds to go..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terrorizer View Post

    Overall I've seen some glimpses of other games (including a good part of exciting Netherlands upset against Croatia, who was punished for sending their C squad as many core players who don't even play in NBA or Jordileague were mysteriously absent, an upset where a minor favourite of mine Yannick Franke shone bright) and now I think that generally this format was a good idea. The crowds in many places were numerous, active and these games, despite all the absences, definitely had a pleasant 'FIFA-qualies'-like atmosphere. That's a great thing. Even NBA absences won't spoil an excitement.

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    This team is unfortunatlly almost best we could send right now, besides some players who retired like Ukic. Some players turned down NT, others are not allowed to play and some were injured. This move by FIBA stripped Croatian basketball. We did produced few NBA players recently and we still have like 15 players better than this but...., but in general we stopped producing middle class players. At some point we had like 20-30 EL players, now we have few.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pohani komarac View Post
    This team is unfortunatlly almost best we could send right now, besides some players who retired like Ukic. Some players turned down NT, others are not allowed to play and some were injured. This move by FIBA stripped Croatian basketball. We did produced few NBA players recently and we still have like 15 players better than this but...., but in general we stopped producing middle class players. At some point we had like 20-30 EL players, now we have few.
    I don't know about the current situation (who did turn down invitation, who retired from the NT - for example, I was surprised by Ukic's absence) and I generally agree with you that Croatia isn't as successful as it was in a sheer numbers of solid quality players it produces. Nevertheless, even if we are to dismiss Jordileague players and older guys like some Marko Popovic, still I don't get where were guys like Hrvoje Peric (an old favourite of mine, a very useful all-around player with a diverse set of offensive skills), Leon Radosevic, Ivan Buva, Tomislav Zubcic (is he injured? can't remember him playing this season and I've seen a couple of Bonn games), Rok Stipcevic, maybe young Lovro Mazalin or Fran Pilepic, even someone like Mario Delas or old fox Damir 'Croatian Shved' Markota. Maybe, this would not be a huge upgrade (at least not as huge as if you would have Saric or Simon fielding in) but these are the players with better international experience and generally better pedigree than most of those who made this Croatian roster.

    Well, judging by their level of success overseas, maybe some of the Croatian NBAers would (moderately) soon get back to Europe. Yet most probably with current EL retarded system we still won't see them playing in the games of this type. I mean, Zubac is sent to G-League, Ante Zizic who can be really damn effective in a proper system also struggles to find a decent place in Cavaliers, even Hezonja, a lottery pick and presumed future superstar, plays rather sparingly. Bender has a decent playing time (though in a team as lousy as current Phoenix where friggin Mike James is one of the main offesnive weapons) but his NBA future also doesn't look as bright as it was after he was drafted that high.

    And also, by the way, why the heck Nik Slavica somewhat vanished from the radars? Of that star-packed 1997 generation I only liked Zizic and Arapovic more than him.
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    Yep, and also I somehow didn't pay attention to the fact that Vorontsevich and Kurbanov were also absent. Though I don't think that their presence would make a hell of a difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terrorizer View Post
    I don't know about the current situation (who did turn down invitation, who retired from the NT - for example, I was surprised by Ukic's absence) and I generally agree with you that Croatia isn't as successful as it was in a sheer numbers of solid quality players it produces. Nevertheless, even if we are to dismiss Jordileague players and older guys like some Marko Popovic, still I don't get where were guys like Hrvoje Peric (an old favourite of mine, a very useful all-around player with a diverse set of offensive skills), Leon Radosevic, Ivan Buva, Tomislav Zubcic (is he injured? can't remember him playing this season and I've seen a couple of Bonn games), Rok Stipcevic, maybe young Lovro Mazalin or Fran Pilepic, even someone like Mario Delas or old fox Damir 'Croatian Shved' Markota. Maybe, this would not be a huge upgrade (at least not as huge as if you would have Saric or Simon fielding in) but these are the players with better international experience and generally better pedigree than most of those who made this Croatian roster.

    Well, judging by their level of success overseas, maybe some of the Croatian NBAers would (moderately) soon get back to Europe. Yet most probably with current EL retarded system we still won't see them playing in the games of this type. I mean, Zubac is sent to G-League, Ante Zizic who can be really damn effective in a proper system also struggles to find a decent place in Cavaliers, even Hezonja, a lottery pick and presumed future superstar, plays rather sparingly. Bender has a decent playing time (though in a team as lousy as current Phoenix where friggin Mike James is one of the main offesnive weapons) but his NBA future also doesn't look as bright as it was after he was drafted that high.

    And also, by the way, why the heck Nik Slavica somewhat vanished from the radars? Of that star-packed 1997 generation I only liked Zizic and Arapovic more than him.
    Radosevic when sigig his first intenational contract had to give somethin around 8500 euros, since then he does not want to play for Croatia. Peric in past was ignored by our federation because he had wrong menager, now I guess they didn't have balls to call him in his 30is. Zubcic signed new contract and his new team wanted him to join them. I would also like to know why Pilepic and Buva are not here. I guess federation gave up of some older guys like Zoric, Ukic, Markota etc. Arapovic and Babic are injured. Slavica is sitting on Cedevita's bench and honestly he didn't improve anything

    All in all with all problems and coach beginer things don't look bright
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