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    He surprised everyone with such games. I just hope he continues like this and I hope he won't get benched as soon as Bibby recoveres.

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    Anybody knows why is Bibby so hated amongst Kings fans? Almost everyone wants him to leave Kings. I don't know, but he supposed to be a fans favourite couple of years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boki
    Anybody knows why is Bibby so hated amongst Kings fans? Almost everyone wants him to leave Kings. I don't know, but he supposed to be a fans favourite couple of years ago.
    I really don't know. I suppose it's a combination of things: he's got a big contract and hasn't played very well, he's complained about some of the changes, and he isn't young, so he doesn't represent the youth movement that some fans want.

    Plus, if Udrih can play PG (fans are raving about his distribution and defense), he is a much, much, much cheaper PG. Let's face it, in the games that Udrih has played well in, he's been twice as good as Bibby last year. So why should the Kings keep Bibby? They could trade him to a team like Cleveland or Miami and then have $14,000,000 extra for the summer.

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    Extrated from NBA.com:

    Promotion for Beno Udrih
    Promoted from a reserve to a starter after Mike Bibby's thumb injury, Beno Udrih is comfortable with his new role in Sacramento. "Playing regular minutes has helped my confidence," said Udrih to the AP. "In San Antonio I never knew how much I would play. I won't come out here if I miss one or two shots in a row." On Sunday against the Pistons, the self-assured Udrih had the game-high 23 points and six assists, helping the Kings to a 105-95 victory. Hitting 9-of-13 shots from the field and making all five of his free throws, Udrih was only two points shy of his career-high. Sacramento coach Reggie Theus told the Sacramento Bee, “We now have someone people have to pay attention to on pick and rolls, someone who can penetrate and make plays for other people. Roles change and situations change, and we should be getting better by getting (Udrih)."
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    Most players suffer from lack of getting a chance. Beno got his chance, actually a great one... while right now the outcome of all this is on him if he is able to improve, if he is able to keep some minutes when Bibby comes back and so on.
    But you can clearly see where my resentment towards the league is coming from, it's not the individual quality that assures playing time, in loads of cases (and it doesn't even matter if you're international or US... at least with big majority of NBA coaches) it's the name, reputation and contract doing that. Stuff that Marko Milič clearly explained after his NBA experience almost a decade ago... and I honestly can't stand SAR, Antoine Walker and the likes getting as much authority in the game and even a superstar treatment, basicaly being even in terms of quality with numerous unhyped PF's warming the bench.

    I'm glad for Beno although I'd prefer him back in europe as you all know ... but the fact that Vujačič will have to get back to reality when not getting a new contract, potentialy even expressing a wish to play for NT, should be sweet enough this offseason.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jon_Koncak View Post
    That's funny shit.I cant believe there are sports fans thinking like it.It's like Federer losing to random Japanese player in round 1 of French Open but tournament director stepping in and saying "hey it was a fluke win who wants to watch a random Japanese guy in next round,Federer qualifies"

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    now that looks nice. Beno made his entire ex-team his biiyotch... including all those spurs fans, now I am actually having fun reading for spurs fans reactions for the past half hour... just sweet.

    sacbee's pregame article
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon_Koncak View Post
    That's funny shit.I cant believe there are sports fans thinking like it.It's like Federer losing to random Japanese player in round 1 of French Open but tournament director stepping in and saying "hey it was a fluke win who wants to watch a random Japanese guy in next round,Federer qualifies"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joško Poljak Fan
    now that looks nice. Beno made his entire ex-team his biiyotch... including all those spurs fans, now I am actually having fun reading for spurs fans reactions for the past half hour... just sweet.
    Nice choice of words, Matiz.

    For those of you who don't know, he put down 27 points (8-12), 5 assists, and 4 rebounds against San Antonio.

    Kings Udrih Beats Old Spurs Teammates -- November 26, 2007, by Jannie McCaulley AP

    SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) -- Gregg Popovich could hardly believe Beno Udrih's name hadn't come up before the game.

    "What, no Beno questions?" the Spurs coach said of his former guard now with Sacramento, then joked, "We'll talk after he scores 30."

    He almost did.

    Udrih scored a career-high 27 points against his former team while holding down Tony Parker on defense, and the Kings snapped San Antonio's five-game winning streak with a 112-99 victory against the Spurs on Monday night.

    Udrih shot 8-for-12 and made all nine of his free throws.

    "Before the game, I told Beno he has to let the game come to him. Let the game come to him. It's not personal," Kings coach Reggie Theus said. "I would imagine for him, under the circumstances, it's pretty sweet."

    ...

    "That could have been our best 48 minutes of the season so far," Theus said.

    ....

    "The difference in the game tonight was Beno Udrih," Popovich said. "Beno was great."

    The Kings signed Udrih, who won two championship rings with the Spurs, after he was waived by Minnesota on Oct. 29. The Timberwolves acquired him in a trade with San Antonio that same day.

    "They didn't have to trade me," Udrih said. "I could still be sitting on the bench. They helped me. ... I didn't let myself get happy looking across the court. I stayed focused on my game. They're my team and I was three years with them. It was special, but I can't take it for myself."

    ....
    Running the offense
    Attacking Ginobili
    Attacking Darius Washington
    Fouled by Washington
    Talking to Tony Parker
    Celebrating a fourth quarter hoop
    Quote Originally Posted by Joško Poljak Fan
    ....But you can clearly see where my resentment towards the league is coming from, it's not the individual quality that assures playing time, in loads of cases (and it doesn't even matter if you're international or US... at least with big majority of NBA coaches) it's the name, reputation and contract doing that.....
    Yes, I see where the resentment comes from. I'm glad you recognize that this is an issue with players from all over, whether they're coming from Argentina, Russia, the NCAA, or Timbuktu. Popovich is a wierd case though. In the article you referred to, at the very end, Popovich blames himself for Beno's problems in San Antonio, so at least he's being honest about the situation. And Popovich has taken a lot of chances on players with little NBA press, like Ginobili, Stephen Jackson, and Tony Parker. So it's good that he at least recognizes his mistakes with Beno.

    Two things:
    • I hate to say "I told you so," but two years ago, I was raving about Beno Udrih after watching him play. Some Slovenians here said I was wrong!
    • Beno Udrih makes Mike Bibby expendable. The Kings are better with Udrih than Bibby, because 1) Udrih is more athletic allowing Garcia, Artest, and Martin to get better chances, and 2) he's much, much younger. I predict that Bibby will be traded, perhaps to Miami or Cleveland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvblair
    Yes, I see where the resentment comes from. I'm glad you recognize that this is an issue with players from all over, whether they're coming from Argentina, Russia, the NCAA, or Timbuktu.
    of course, for every Udrih there are 5 Darrel Armstrong's and 10 more that will never get the chance to proove their quality at all. It's not that NBA is anti-international, more the exact opposite imo, it's some "habbits" of GM's and coaches for which I believe they are completely out of place that are making it unflexible.

    Popovich is a wierd case though. In the article you referred to, at the very end, Popovich blames himself for Beno's problems in San Antonio, so at least he's being honest about the situation. And Popovich has taken a lot of chances on players with little NBA press, like Ginobili, Stephen Jackson, and Tony Parker. So it's good that he at least recognizes his mistakes with Beno.
    coach also has a job to pressure on his players to give their best, some react the right way and some proove out to be sensitive about the matter. You can't really say with 100% certanty how a player will react to that pressure Pop obviously tried that with Udrih but it didn't work out, so from that part I don't think there is any base for resentment towards Popovich... on the other hand some of his media statements regarding Udrih are a bit low, especialy if we decide to believe Beno in the article I've posted today. Not to mention the question Pop has set to journalists prior to the game.

    Two things:
    • I hate to say "I told you so," but two years ago, I was raving about Beno Udrih after watching him play. Some Slovenians here said I was wrong!
    • Beno Udrih makes Mike Bibby expendable. The Kings are better with Udrih than Bibby, because 1) Udrih is more athletic allowing Garcia, Artest, and Martin to get better chances, and 2) he's much, much younger. I predict that Bibby will be traded, perhaps to Miami or Cleveland.
    for Beno's own good I hope you're right, but afterall he still has quite some history of injuries, his defense still isn't sth. to praise at all, so I prefer staying optimistic realist, saying Bibby will keep the starting spot and Beno will (if continues to play like that) earn those 20-25 minutes per game, which honestly is more than I've ever imagined he'd get in NBA.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jon_Koncak View Post
    That's funny shit.I cant believe there are sports fans thinking like it.It's like Federer losing to random Japanese player in round 1 of French Open but tournament director stepping in and saying "hey it was a fluke win who wants to watch a random Japanese guy in next round,Federer qualifies"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joško Poljak Fan
    ... on the other hand some of his media statements regarding Udrih are a bit low, especialy if we decide to believe Beno in the article I've posted today. Not to mention the question Pop has set to journalists prior to the game.
    Just to follow up on your article:
    Udrih "Spurs" an Upset -- November 27, 2007, Sacramento Bee, by Sam Amick

    Beno Udrih grabbed the ball and ran.

    He ran past Manu Ginobili, ran past Michael Finley, then ran past Brent Barry, twisting through contact with his former teammate at the last instant as his end-to-end three-point play put the Kings up by 14 and made the unlikely seem possible after all.

    Putting his past behind him in the best way he knew how.

    The Kings would, in fact, upset the defending champion San Antonio Spurs 112-99 Monday night at Arco Arena, surprising enough, considering the polar-opposite plights of these two teams. But this was Udrih's moment even more than the rest, an all-timer when it comes to former players facing their old teams, as Udrih was against the Spurs.

    A career-high 27 points wasn't even the end of it for the player who spent his first three seasons in San Antonio, as Udrih efficiently ran a Kings offense that shot 55.1 percent and received a combined 54 points from Ron Artest, Brad Miller and Mikki Moore.

    Yet this, Udrih wanted to make clear, was no grudge match.

    In mid-August, Udrih met with Spurs coach Gregg Popovich to discuss his career. In essence, he asked for his freedom, for Popovich to let him go if he had no plans of utilizing his talents.

    "I was like, 'Pop, I just want to play,' " Udrih said. "If I'm still here. I'll be professional as much as I can be, practice hard, do everything. But if you don't need me, I just want to play. I want to show myself for everybody, and that's it."

    His phone rang just two hours before teams had to finalize their regular-season rosters on Oct. 27. Udrih had been traded to Minnesota, signing the official papers just 30 minutes before the deadline. He was immediately waived by the Timberwolves and signed days later by the Kings.

    "They didn't let me go in a bad way," he said. "That's why I wasn't trying to go back at them (on Monday night). I just wanted to play the game and help my team win. It wasn't personal. ... They didn't need to trade me. They could've kept me, and I'd still be sitting on the bench."

    Instead, he was facing off with the player he once was content to back up in Tony Parker, outplaying the Spurs point guard, who had just 12 points on 5-of-13 shooting and seven assists and four turnovers. Even Popovich – who joked before the game that maybe Udrih would have a breakout night – had to be impressed.

    As Popovich neared the end of his pregame media session, he laughed at the notion that no one had asked him about the former player whom he so often conflicted with, then said seemingly sarcastically, "That's all right. We'll talk about him after he scores 30 (points)."

    Udrih nearly did it, hitting 8 of 12 shots and 9 of 9 free throws.

    "Beno had a great game," Popovich said afterward. "The difference in the game tonight was Beno Udrih. He fed everybody. He scored and did everything they needed. ... He is a hell of a player."

    The Kings survived an 0-for-8 shooting start from Kevin Martin, who hit his first shot during a 15-0 run that put the Kings up 69-56 midway through the third quarter. Udrih – whose three-pointer started the run – found Martin on the break for a layup that put the Kings up 63-56......

    "That could've been the best 48 minutes we've had all season," Kings coach Reggie Theus said. "It was an absolute, total team win."



    for Beno's own good I hope you're right, but afterall he still has quite some history of injuries, his defense still isn't sth. to praise at all, so I prefer staying optimistic realist, saying Bibby will keep the starting spot and Beno will (if continues to play like that) earn those 20-25 minutes per game, which honestly is more than I've ever imagined he'd get in NBA.
    His defense isn't that bad. But there have been rumors flying since the summer about Bibby, so I think he's on his way out the door.

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    Beno Udrih led Sacramento in a victory over Houston Rockets, in 34 minutes he had 15 points, 5 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 steal and 2TO, and that with a shooting 6-7 from the game. In my opinion Sacramento lacks of decent PF to achieve something more.

    I'm more and more surprised with Beno. GO BENO!
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    The problem that he has had is the problem that almost every single european has in NBA,the lack of confidence of their coaches.
    Because although in many cases they have an undoubtly higher bball technique (over all in team-oriented playing skills) and a even higher bball iq, they dont give them the minutes to show it. But when some of them got the minutes they truly deserve, as is happening now with Udrih or Calderon.. well, their numbers speak by themselves.
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    24 points (11-23), 7 assists, 4 rebounds, 3 steals in a loss to the Denver Nuggets. Looks like our man is still playing well!

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    23 attempts... what the hell?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by elaj
    23 attempts... what the hell?!
    Elaj, my friend, this is the NBA. What are you so surprised about?
    Kings Notes: Udrih was on Nuggets' radar for some time -- December 9, 2007, by Ailene Voisin, Sacramento Bee

    Coach George Karl says Denver inquired over the past two seasons.

    Nuggets coach George Karl said before Saturday night's game that Denver officials inquired about Beno Udrih several times during the past two seasons, most recently just before the Kings signed the fourth-year point guard Nov. 1.

    According to Karl, a decision was made last year to sign Steve Blake instead of trading for Udrih, then with the San Antonio Spurs. Overtures were made again several weeks ago because of veteran Chucky Atkins' strained groin.

    "For two years, we've almost pulled the trigger," Karl said. "Add in circumstances, situations, lack of playing time, falling out of love a little bit. But I think there's a lot of people who think that he was a good NBA point guard, and that he just lost his direction in San Antonio. He's happy he's taken advantage of the opportunity (in Sacramento). We went the conservative route rather than take on a guaranteed contract."

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    Another huge game: 24 pts (6/7 3pt) as the Kings beat the Bucks.
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    Mike Dunleavy wanted Udrih too:
    Dunleavy Fires Back - January 23, 2008, by TJ Simmers, Los Angeles Times

    ....Dunleavy also wanted to sign former San Antonio free-agent guard Beno Udrih, but the Clippers' bean counter, Andy Roeser, decided Udrih wasn't worth the money it would take to sign him....

    ....As for Udrih, Baylor said, "It didn't make a difference to me" whether the Clippers signed him....
    The Knicks pay good money to bad players. The Clippers pay no money to good players. Coaches should have more control over player personel decisions, because for this Baylor chump to say "it didn't make a difference to me" about Udrih is just pathetic. If Sacramento could improve with Udrih, LA sure as heck could.


    As for Udrih, he continues to play well after Bibby's return from injury. He was 5-5 in a victory last night, scoring 14 points. His game log shows a drop in minutes and assists since Kidd's return, but continued offensive production, including a 20 point (7-9) game in a win against Indiana.

    I think Sacramento is showcasing Bibby so that they can try to trade him before the end of February.
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    With decissions like that, is undestandable why Clippes are where they are, i'm not saying that Udrih would solution all his problems, but if this is an example of his decission when they have to decide wherther signing a player or no...

    Im glad to see that he still is playing really well despite Bibby is back. If Bibby finally leaves (i read that he would be really close on Cleveland?), it would be great that he could stay till the end of the sason playing many minutes as a starter and showing everybody what he's really capable of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neozyrus
    With decissions like that, is undestandable why Clippes are where they are, i'm not saying that Udrih would solution all his problems, but if this is an example of his decission when they have to decide wherther signing a player or no...
    No, Udrih would not save the Clippers, but he is much better than Sam Cassell and Shawn Livingston. Udrih is being paid about a million dollars by Sacramento this season and then he becomes a free agent. Why couldn't the Clippers give him that kind of money, like Dunleavy wanted?

    ...because the Clippers, like the Knicks, are run by egomanaical fools.
    Im glad to see that he still is playing really well despite Bibby is back. If Bibby finally leaves (i read that he would be really close on Cleveland?), it would be great that he could stay till the end of the sason playing many minutes as a starter and showing everybody what he's really capable of.
    Yes, there have been rumors about Bibby coming to Cleveland for weeks. Last year, it was going to happen too. And Bibby will do better in Cleveland than in Sacramento. Cleveland is a pretty slow team with Gooden and Ilguaskas. Bibby can't run with the players in Sacramento. Udrih can.
    "I really like the attitudes of eagles. They never give up. When they grab a fish or something else, they never let it go. It doesn't matter. In a book, they write they find a skeleton of [an] eagle and there is no fish. It means that the fish beat him and killed him, but he didn't let go." -- Donatas Motiejunas

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    In last 8 games Beno Udrih is averaging just 18mpg.

    Freaking Bibby.

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