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  • #31
    Great reports and opinions, Sino. Thanks for the updates and information.

    Lamond Murray is still a world class player. Just a few years ago he was one of the Cavs big players, scoring something like 15+ points per game. He's going make Guangdong a big team.

    ...so Bayi is 7-4? Well, that's not bad. Obviously they're not where I thought they would be, but Wang is still a beast. They'll pick up.
    "I really like the attitudes of eagles. They never give up. When they grab a fish or something else, they never let it go. It doesn't matter. In a book, they write they find a skeleton of [an] eagle and there is no fish. It means that the fish beat him and killed him, but he didn't let go." -- Donatas Motiejunas

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    • #32
      Originally posted by sinobball
      Top Chinese players:
      1. Wang Zhizhi, Bayi 25.5p 9.6r 1.8a 2.0s 2.4b
      2. Mengke Bateer, Xinjiang 16.1p 12.5r 4.8a 1.3s
      3. Tang Zhengdong, Jiangsu 21.9p 13.0r 2.2a
      No surprises in the top 3.

      4. Zhang Kai, Dongguan 18.0p 12.0r 1.7a 1.2s 2.8b
      Zhang Kai is the rail-thin athletic 7-footer who represented China in FIBA-Asia. He was allegedly born in 1982, and even if that could be trusted was still relatively old when he first played in CBA in 2005. He has a lot of natural talents and maybe, as avolbert said in the 13th post of the thread, could deserve a look by the NT next year.

      5. Zhang Nan, Zhejiang Lions 19.7p 6.0r 3.2a 2.0s
      Who? Like Zhang Kai, Zhang Nan (no relation) had been in the CBA for a few years, but never got much recognition due to always playing for weak teams (first for Yunnan). He is an 197cm forward allegedly born in 1981. Thin, loves to drive, good footwork and touch, not much defense.

      6. Wang Shipeng, Guangdong 24.9p 3.3r 2.7a 2.0s
      National Team mainstay has become a 3p shooting specialist which hopefully can translate well in Beijing Olympics. Still, almost as many turnovers as assists as a guard, and this is only the CBA.

      7. Zhu Fangyu, Guangdong 20.4p 5.5r 2.2a 1.5s
      Also doing well in CBA, like he did for the past 8 years or so.

      8. Ding Jinhui, Zhejiang 18.5p 8.2r 1.5a 2.1s 1.1b
      Like I predicted, last year's rookie of the year will have a great season before the Olympics.

      9. Lu Xiaoming, Fujian 9.6p 5.5r 8.0a 3.4s
      Diminutive point guard having a good season. However, China NT doesn't take players under 6 feet.

      10. Tian Yu, Shaanxi 19.2p 4.9r 1.0a 1.8s
      Tian sat on the bench last year in Liaoning because he's short (barely 200cm center) and slow. But he's a good shooter, and after he transferred to Shaanxi which has no other center, shot the lights out, including his career-high 26p, coincidentally, against his former team Liaoning.

      Next 10:
      11. Mo Ke, Bayi 15.8p 7.3r (NT bench player)
      12. Hu Xuefeng, Jiangsu 16.5p 3.6r 3.3a 2.8s (always good in CBA, not in NT)
      13. Xue Yuyang, Xinjiang 16.0p 5.6r (NBA draft pick)
      14. Cao Zhenhua, Shandong 14.4p 7.2r 2.0s (last year college league's MVP)
      15. Wang Bo, Jilin 14.4p 8.1r 4.8a (stats are good, percentage is low)
      16. Liu Wei, Shanghai 16.0p 5.3r 6.1a (can never lead a team to win)
      17. Xu Yong, Shanghai 16.1p 5.7r 2.0a (best NBA potential, far from ready)
      18. Chen Zhaosheng, Yunnan 17.8p 4.7r (smart player, almost 40 years old)
      19. Yen Hsing-Su, Yunnan 10.1p 4.9r 7.3a (Taiwanese actor!!)
      20. Xu Guochong, Xinjiang 16.6p 3.5r (3p shooter)
      no love for liu xiaoyu?

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      • #33
        ^Liu Xiaoyu is not even close to being one of the top CBA players. He has promise, but right now we just have to wait to see how his game develops.

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        • #34
          Great analysis Sinoball!

          Btw, does anyone know when Chen Jianghua will be back from his injury?

          Also, I'm interested in seeing Xu Yong. Anyone know where i can watch/download Shanghai Sharks games?

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          • #35
            My All-CBA domestic teams (only 1 round to go in regular season)

            First
            PG- Lu XiaoMing, Fujian 10.5p 4.9r 7.7a 3.9s
            SG- Wang ShiPeng, Guangdong 22.5p 3.2r
            PF- Zhang Kai, Dongguan 17.0p 11.9r
            PF- Wang ZhiZhi, Bayi 26.2p 7.2r
            C- MenkBateer, Xinjiang 17.3p 13.9r 4.6a

            Second
            PG- Liu Wei, Shanghai 18.4p 5.0r 6.9a
            SG- Zhang Nan, ZJ Lions 17.8p 5.9r
            SF- Xu Yong, Shanghai 18.5p 6.4r 3.4a
            SF- Zhu FangYu, Guangdong 18.8p 4.7r
            C- Tang Zhengdong, Jiangsu 21.3p 11.9r

            Third
            PG- Hu XueFeng, Jiangsu 16.6p 4.4r 3.9a
            SG- Li Nan, Bayi 17.9p 4.9r
            SF- Wang Bo, Jilin 14.9p 7.6r 5.1a
            SF- Ding Jinhui, Zhejiang 18.6p 7.4r
            PF- Chen Zhaosheng, Yunnan 18.2p 5.3r
            aim low, score high

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            • #36
              what are the cba rules? do players from taiwan count as import players? what was with this stuff i saw on asiabasket about xinjiang getting busted for using a chinese american? (cun song) if chinese-taiwanese are ok then why not chinese-americans?

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              • #37
                Originally posted by sime0n
                what are the cba rules? do players from taiwan count as import players? what was with this stuff i saw on asiabasket about xinjiang getting busted for using a chinese american? (cun song) if chinese-taiwanese are ok then why not chinese-americans?
                Because political policies dictate that Taiwan is considered part of China, whereas one cannot define a Chinese-American (American citizen, since China does not accept double citizenship, no Chinese citizen) this way.

                CBA today released the result after intensive investigation involving contacting airports, Macau SAR (where he was born), national security offices: Due to using Cun Sau Song for 18 games, Xinjiang, who finished 2nd in the regular season tying Guangdong record, is ineligible for the playoffs and Zhejiang Lions, regular season 9th place is the replacement.

                China has these rules that anyone not a citizen of China (or Hong Kong SAR, Macau SAR AND Taiwan/Republic of China) is considered an import, which you may or may not agree with but these are rules that should be enforced. To play in China, Cun forged 2 passports. One, issued by local police stations in Harbin, Heilongjiang, lists his real Chinese name (instead of Cun Sau Song it is Guan Xiu Chang in pinyin), and this is the basis for CBA registering him this year. Three years ago, Cun played briefly for Yunnan Running Bulls (2 games), under the name Ma Xiu Chang (fake name) as a resident of Mengzi, Yunnan.

                Back then everything sounded fishy (Press release: "Ma Xiu Chang is a local who studied in US for a number of years and returned") but since he did not play much for a terrible team nobody bothered to make any noise. But this season while he started horrible, he gained his momentum in early December, including a 20p game vs Shandong. This coupled with Xinjiang's league-best record, began to attract media attention as they requested the CBA to investigate. CBA initially were reluctant to do so as they were the one who allowed him to participate, but later gave in to the pressures "above" (aka China Sports Bureau). As a result, Cun left the team on Dec. 20 but it was too late for Xinjiang's sake.

                But I don't think this is the main issue. The main issue was, how could a person who used 2 fake IDs successfully register twice with the CBA? If you know anything about China, even dates of birth of players can "fluctuate" year-by-year and CBA always register them without any question asked, because as they explaine they only register with "official, authentic" documents. But how trustworthy can "official documents" be? A little bribe is all you need when you want to do something illegal in the local police station.

                Thankfully Cun is just a player, and not a terrorist. Now CBA has banned him from playing in China for life.
                aim low, score high

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                • #38
                  http://familysportslifetoday.com/blo...s/default.aspx

                  American coach Tom Newell's blog on coaching in CBA (Jilin Northeast Tigers). He writes a lot, (surprises, frustrations) and while his blog contains a lot of errors, I find it to be worth reading.
                  aim low, score high

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by avolbert View Post
                    A very good analysis. There are a few comments I would like to make.

                    I believe that Liu Xiaoyu is more likely to be Guangdong's point guard than is Chen Jianghua. Chen is more likely to play the role that import Terrence Greene played last year, more of an offensive threat than leader of the team. Both Guangdong imports this year are big men. How Su Wei and Wang Zheng develop will also be highly important to Guangdong's prospects for overtaking Bayi.

                    Wang Lei is the key to Bayi's success since Li Nan was more likely born in 1974 than 1976, and could be even older. Wang needs to be ready to fill Li's role on the team for Bayi to win the championship.

                    The key to Zhejiang making a run for the title may be the play of Zhao Hang. Zhao was the second-best player on China's team at the Albert Schweitzer youth tournament in Mannheim, Germany in 2006. He was not as good as Zhou Peng but better than Chen Jianghua assurance décès . But he got injured and missed the entire 2006-2007 season. If Zhao returns to form, he can provide offense at center. Soumaila Samake only provides rebounds and shot-blocking.
                    In fact, I think it's the combination of these two players that make them relentless markers in the field.

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