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  • Kuzminskas, Ulanovas, Maciulis are more SF than anything else.

    Same as Butkevicius,even for Giedraitis I believe his main position in the future on normal situation will be SF.

    5 SF type players is too much, we need different type players.I dont see place for Butkevicius or even Giedraitis depending how he looks mentally in friendly games.

    I would go for deadly shooter at pf like Bendzius or very big body like Geben, but definitely wouldn't go with half of the team with wings.When you think even Grigonis with 1m98 has tools to play SF that's way too much similar position players.

    We need to find right mix and shooting shouldn't be forgotten either.We had problems with that in very recent past.

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    • In recent Grigonis long interview he was asked who is your best friends on Nt team.He mentioned Ulanovas as his roommate and closest one and after couple seconds he also mentione Seibutis.I was what? Usually people that compete in same position and are from different generations players they don't friend too much each other, we all are humans and easy to understand why.

      Now I'm looking at video when Kalnietis comes to camp and shaking hands.And further from anybody near the bar what you know Seibutis and Grigonis chatting only those 2 at that area.

      Renaldas is perfect example of true teammate,now more in mentor role who realise his days is coming to end in NT and he trying to share his knowledge with Marius as much as he can, knowing well he is who gonna replace him .This is big but very humble men , definitely my favourite player in our NT team history.From first time I saw him with nt jersey defending Teodosic like there is no tommorow in 2010 to this day.Always admired how that men competes/ed.

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      • Originally posted by Shawshank View Post
        Kuzminskas, Ulanovas, Maciulis are more SF than anything else.

        Same as Butkevicius,even for Giedraitis I believe his main position in the future on normal situation will be SF.

        5 SF type players is too much, we need different type players.I dont see place for Butkevicius or even Giedraitis depending how he looks mentally in friendly games.

        I would go for deadly shooter at pf like Bendzius or very big body like Geben, but definitely wouldn't go with half of the team with wings.When you think even Grigonis with 1m98 has tools to play SF that's way too much similar position players.

        We need to find right mix and shooting shouldn't be forgotten either.We had problems with that in very recent past.
        Bendzius deadly shooter In which league? Again, the dude is terrible at D and to me it would be a waste of spot. F.e. Kuzminskas is a soft defender at 4 (still better than Bendzius though), but he can be decent defender at SF, so if we have Maciulis or even Ulanovas (or Butkevicius) in the line-up together with Kuzminskas they can easily switch at D and we are pretty comfortable with Kuz at 4 (defensively at SF). With Bendzius you can't do the same, the guy sucks both defending PF and SF, I would even argue that he can't guard SF at all.

        Bendzius shooting does not transit to pre-Olympic WC tournament. So I would argue about Juskevicius, but even he would have much more chances to knock down few shots. To me Bendzius can provide only chucking and horrid defence at this level, IMO, at least the odds that he would deliver shouldn't be notable.

        And don't mix everything into one. It's obvious Kuz will play 4. Why to bother even say that we have 5-6 SFs? Grigonis won't even move an inch from SG position, it's a no-brainer. Ulanovas and Maciulis will play SF. If Giedraitis will be taken, he will be taken as SG. He's by far better shooter than Ulanovas and Maciulis and he's much more agile and more of a guard than those 2. Now why I would still like to have Butkevicius? Because he basically can guard 1-4. Butkevicius literally can be thrown against taller PGs defensively. Even if he wouldn't be used, you know that you have a legit defensive role player who would come off the bench and legitimately do his job. besides he's a glue guy defensively, he covers much more space defensively than regular defender, he's a defensive specialist. I can't say this about Bendzius, he istantly creates a miss-match for us. It's strange that you level everything into once, I thought NT is a topic that you could provide a bit more subtle analysis
        Last edited by Straight forward; 07-22-2019, 04:15 PM.
        LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

        Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
        Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
        Buzelis, Lelevicius
        Murauskas, Sirvydis
        Tubelis, Krivas

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        • Originally posted by Shawshank View Post
          Jonas Maciulis is in.

          "1985" generation Maciulis, Jankunas,Seibutis, Kalnietis will try to catch their last Olympic dream.Last 4 players left of that unforgetable 2010 team.

          Jonas Kazlauskas in previuos Olympic cycle 2015-2016 in tough moments or closing games went alot with JV,Jankunas,Maciulis,Seibutis,Kalnietis lineup

          Its good that we would have an option for some moments return to lineup that have seen it all you can see in basketball.

          It can work for couple minutes and stop the bleeding when younger fellas gonna look lost at some tough moments in a tournament ( at that happens in every tournament). That lineup will not panic ,they have seen way too much.Every team need such grown ups if you want to make long playoof run
          Paulius Jankūnas, Jonas Mačiulis and Renaldas Seibutis were (together with Artūras Jomantas, Antanas Kavaliauskas, Marius Prekevičius and Darius Silinskis) also on the team that won the FIBA U-21 World Championship in 2005. Hopefully we can count on them therefore to lead Team Lietuva to a medal in September!

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          • Originally posted by Straight forward View Post
            Bendzius deadly shooter In which league? Again, the dude is terrible at D and to me it would be a waste of spot. F.e. Kuzminskas is a soft defender at 4 (still better than Bendzius though), but he can be decent defender at SF, so if we have Maciulis or even Ulanovas (or Butkevicius) in the line-up together with Kuzminskas they can easily switch at D and we are pretty comfortable with Kuz at 4 (defensively at SF). With Bendzius you can't do the same, the guy sucks both defending PF and SF, I would even argue that he can't guard SF at all.

            Bendzius shooting does not transit to pre-Olympic WC tournament. So I would argue about Juskevicius, but even he would have much more chances to knock down few shots. To me Bendzius can provide only chucking and horrid defence at this level, IMO, at least the odds that he would deliver shouldn't be notable.

            And don't mix everything into one. It's obvious Kuz will play 4. Why to bother even say that we have 5-6 SFs? Grigonis won't even move an inch from SG position, it's a no-brainer. Ulanovas and Maciulis will play SF. If Giedraitis will be taken, he will be taken as SG. He's by far better shooter than Ulanovas and Maciulis and he's much more agile and more of a guard than those 2. Now why I would still like to have Butkevicius? Because he basically can guard 1-4. Butkevicius literally can be thrown against taller PGs defensively. Even if he wouldn't be used, you know that you have a legit defensive role player who would come off the bench and legitimately do his job. besides he's a glue guy defensively, he covers much more space defensively than regular defender, he's a defensive specialist. I can't say this about Bendzius, he istantly creates a miss-match for us. It's strange that you level everything into once, I thought NT is a topic that you could provide a bit more subtle analysis
            All I can say here is that it was pretty clear by the end of the season that Arnas Butkevičius was a more valuable part of the Rytas team than was Eimantas Bendžius. Still Coach Adomaitis has about fifteen locks plus reasonable prospects for the team and he's going to have to cut three loose.

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            • Oh my - from Bendzius being deadly shooter to Butkevicius being elite defender Both are far from that. I don't care who will make it at the end as any would have close to none influence on final results, but as I predicted - Bendzius has more chances simply cause we lack shooter in frontcourt. Adomaitis might go with him. Butkevicius can bring nothing new to the team. Stop kidding with that defensive skills, it's not Eurocup or LKL anymore. If there would be no Maciulis, then maybe he would take that bench spot, but now - not likely, unless Adomaitis has different plan, but doubt it

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              • Originally posted by Mindozas View Post
                Oh my - from Bendzius being deadly shooter to Butkevicius being elite defender Both are far from that. I don't care who will make it at the end as any would have close to none influence on final results, but as I predicted - Bendzius has more chances simply cause we lack shooter in frontcourt. Adomaitis might go with him. Butkevicius can bring nothing new to the team. Stop kidding with that defensive skills, it's not Eurocup or LKL anymore. If there would be no Maciulis, then maybe he would take that bench spot, but now - not likely, unless Adomaitis has different plan, but doubt it
                He's a good defender. I believe you underrate him a little bit. If we are about to play Ulanovas for some serious minutes and ageing Maciulis, Butkevicius is right there along with those in terms of the defence and he's most universal of all three as he can even guard PGs. I saw him enough this season to say that his game transit to NT level pretty well. You maybe taking LKL finals too seriously where he didn't suck BTW, but came already after a marathon of hell of a playing time. Not that I'm super high on him, but I can surely see him coming of the bench, hustling and really helping at the D end if he will be needed, while also he is very good at open court. Bendzius will come, and you can only guess whenever he'll nail one triple or will suck entirely. That's my take anyway.
                LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

                Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
                Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
                Buzelis, Lelevicius
                Murauskas, Sirvydis
                Tubelis, Krivas

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                • Originally posted by Straight forward View Post
                  more subtle analysis
                  Great idea
                  The Moon Is A SCAM(http://www.revisionism.nl/Moon/The-Mad-Revisionist.htm)!

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                  • Originally posted by LuDux View Post
                    Great idea
                    May you?
                    LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

                    Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
                    Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
                    Buzelis, Lelevicius
                    Murauskas, Sirvydis
                    Tubelis, Krivas

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                    • Originally posted by Straight forward View Post
                      He's a good defender. I believe you underrate him a little bit. If we are about to play Ulanovas for some serious minutes and ageing Maciulis, Butkevicius is right there along with those in terms of the defence and he's most universal of all three as he can even guard PGs. I saw him enough this season to say that his game transit to NT level pretty well. You maybe taking LKL finals too seriously where he didn't suck BTW, but came already after a marathon of hell of a playing time. Not that I'm super high on him, but I can surely see him coming of the bench, hustling and really helping at the D end if he will be needed, while also he is very good at open court. Bendzius will come, and you can only guess whenever he'll nail one triple or will suck entirely. That's my take anyway.
                      I got a feeling that your hype about Butkevicius is more of a fact that you hate Bendzius to be on a team, that's it. I can't explain it otherwise. Guy is decent on LKL level, average on Eurocup, how on earth he suddenly becomes so good option for NT... I'm fine if Adomaitis sees him in his plans and will take him to China, as I wrote I don't care much who will warm the bench, but no way I can see him as some rotation player who can defend that well or contribute. The same goes with Bendzius

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                      • Originally posted by Mindozas View Post
                        I got a feeling that your hype about Butkevicius is more of a fact that you hate Bendzius to be on a team, that's it. I can't explain it otherwise. Guy is decent on LKL level, average on Eurocup, how on earth he suddenly becomes so good option for NT... I'm fine if Adomaitis sees him in his plans and will take him to China, as I wrote I don't care much who will warm the bench, but no way I can see him as some rotation player who can defend that well or contribute. The same goes with Bendzius
                        You're probably just watched Rytas too little. I don't hate Bendzius, he just sucks at D badly and I don't see how one can throw him into the competition we're facing. That's it. To me Butkevicius is much more ready and his skillset is more of a real deal than Bendzius, that's it.
                        LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

                        Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
                        Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
                        Buzelis, Lelevicius
                        Murauskas, Sirvydis
                        Tubelis, Krivas

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                        • Originally posted by Mindozas View Post
                          Guy is decent on LKL level, average on Eurocup, how on earth he suddenly becomes so good option for NT....
                          Arnas Butkevičius was better than decent on the LKL level this past year; he was excellent. And he would add a needed element of hustle and athleticism on defence to the team. The problem I see though is his presence would necessitate going into the tournament without a dedicated backup center, i.e. Martinas Geben, and a combo guard, i.e. Adas Juškevičius or Žygimantas Janavičius, who could in an emergency play some PG. So I just don't know.

                          But with Domantas Sabonis, Paulius Jankūnas and Mindaugas Kuzminskas available for the team, I don't see that Eimantas Bendžius is needed.

                          Last edited by Hepcat; 07-23-2019, 04:42 PM.

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                          • Originally posted by Straight forward View Post
                            May you?
                            Come on, I am Mr Subtle Analysis of Interbasket, record breaking 7th year in a row
                            The Moon Is A SCAM(http://www.revisionism.nl/Moon/The-Mad-Revisionist.htm)!

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                            • odds to make to final roster:

                              Jonas Valančiūnas 1,005
                              Domantas Sabonis 1,005
                              Mantas Kalnietis 1,01
                              Mindaugas Kuzminskas 1,01
                              Lukas Lekavičius 1,02
                              Marius Grigonis 1,02
                              Edgaras Ulanovas 1,02
                              Renaldas Seibutis 1,1
                              Jonas Mačiulis 1,15
                              Rokas Giedraitis 1,23
                              Paulius Jankūnas 1,6


                              mystery how come Giedraitis chances better than Jankunas.Maybe they dont believe he can stay healthy

                              Adas Juškevičius 1,62
                              Arnas Butkevičius 1,9
                              Eimantas Bendžius 2,35
                              Martinas Gebenas 2,5

                              which one is needed most from this 4?

                              Martynas Echodas 4,4
                              Gytis Masiulis 4,4
                              Žygimantas Janavičius 7

                              this 3 are just sparing partners
                              Last edited by Shawshank; 07-23-2019, 06:42 PM.

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                              • Originally posted by Straight forward View Post
                                You're probably just watched Rytas too little. I don't hate Bendzius, he just sucks at D badly and I don't see how one can throw him into the competition we're facing. That's it. To me Butkevicius is much more ready and his skillset is more of a real deal than Bendzius, that's it.
                                I've watched enough of Rytas in Eurocup and vs Zalgiris, so I have a fine picture of Butkevicius against not LKL midgets, but against higher level clubs. I won't argue who is more ready, none of them is, but Bendzius might be more suitable for Adomaitis as shooting option, that's it.

                                Originally posted by Hepcat View Post
                                Arnas Butkevičius was better than decent on the LKL level this past year; he was excellent. And he would add a needed element of hustle and athleticism on defence to the team. The problem I see though is his presence would necessitate going into the tournament without a dedicated backup center, i.e. Martinas Geben, and a combo guard, i.e. Adas Juškevičius or Žygimantas Janavičius, who could in an emergency play some PG. So I just don't know.

                                But with Domantas Sabonis, Paulius Jankūnas and Mindaugas Kuzminskas available for the team, I don't see that Eimantas Bendžius is needed.

                                Man, I bet you didn't see a single game of Butkevicius, how do you know that he was excellent? Stop with this stats stuff, enough of it already, it's been discussed dozen of times. With all due respect, I guess, you don't have an idea of LKL level, of Eurocup level, the differences between it. Stats sheets won't show you that, especially if you don't know how to read it. Then "needed athleticism"? We are fine with that, we have Ulanovas, who was toying with Butkevicius in finals, we have healthy Maciulis, at 4 we even have Sabonis. Athleticism is the last thing we lack. Shooting touch is way more problematic. I'm not saying that Bendzius would solve it tho. But he might have advantage in coaches plans just cause he is better shooter. And what he has to do with Sabonis, Jankunas? Nothing. Maybe Kuzminskas can come into discussion here as he can stretch the floor well. Overall, I feel awkward of being some kind of advocate for Bendzius, cause I'm not, just a pure guess of mine that Adomaitis will seriously consider him as an option. Tbh I wouldn't pick any of them to my team

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