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  • #31
    Originally posted by Srle View Post
    Lol at the biggest upset in the history of Eurobasket . Slovenia came with their best squad that they could gather also they naturalized american player just before the start of the tournament while Serbia,Spain,France and some other countries have missed lots of great players, I would call this Slovenian team the weakest champion in modern history of the European basketball. The biggest upset is Russia beating Spain on their own turf, that was the great Spain team loosing a real underdog team . You were lucky that this was the weakest Eurobasket ever, congratulation on your title but don't start BS topic like this one. It is so stupid.
    What about Z. Dragic and Beno Udrih? This crying how Serbia came with B team is somehow pathetic. Slovenia in last 10 years never had full team. Who cares about that? Nobody. Would Serbia beat Slovenia in semis of 2009, if Udrih was there, Dragic wasn’t injured and Lakovic consequently wasn’t tired? I guess not. But they weren’t there and Serbia beat us fair and square. And this year after Doncic got injured and Dragic was totally exhausted, Slovenia played last Q with Z team. And won.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by Killer Bob View Post
      What about Z. Dragic and Beno Udrih? This crying how Serbia came with B team is somehow pathetic. Slovenia in last 10 years never had full team. Who cares about that? Nobody. Would Serbia beat Slovenia in semis of 2009, if Udrih was there, Dragic wasn’t injured and Lakovic consequently wasn’t tired? I guess not. But they weren’t there and Serbia beat us fair and square. And this year after Doncic got injured and Dragic was totally exhausted, Slovenia played last Q with Z team. And won.
      i dont know where have you read in Srle's post that Serbia came with B team, anyway Serbia in 2009. was nowhere close to Slovenian team today, and this story about biggest upset ever is totally bs, you are pathetic, you are trying to marginalize that Serbia is missing 8 players, unfortunatley for you any of these players that Slovenia is missing are not even close to Jokic, i would like to see what would you say if Slovenia missed Dragic, also Jovic and Lazic got injured, Serbia destroyed Slovenia under the rim when Jovic was ingame when he couldnt play anymore our game fell apart, i dont know if you understand how stupid this is what you said "Dragic got exhausted so we played last Q with Z team"... well atleast he played
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      • #33
        Originally posted by ThePeraCar View Post
        i dont know where have you read in Srle's post that Serbia came with B team, anyway Serbia in 2009. was nowhere close to Slovenian team today, and this story about biggest upset ever is totally bs, you are pathetic, you are trying to marginalize that Serbia is missing 8 players, unfortunatley for you any of these players that Slovenia is missing are not even close to Jokic, i would like to see what would you say if Slovenia missed Dragic, also Jovic and Lazic got injured, Serbia destroyed Slovenia under the rim when Jovic was ingame when he couldnt play anymore our game fell apart, i dont know if you understand how stupid this is what you said "Dragic got exhausted so we played last Q with Z team"... well atleast he played
        My point is, you always play with players you have. If someone says congrats, but you was lucky because others didn’t have all players is not very nice.Slovenia in reality had Nba player Dragic, Euroleague player Randolph and 18 years old kid, all the other are playing in second, third or even worse competition in Europe. And I don’t believe you expected from players like Dimec, Vidmar, Cancar, Nikolic, Blazic, Zagorac, Prepelic, Muric and Rebec much. But with this players Slovenia went 9:0, beating France, Greece, Latvia, Spain and Serbia. I don’t think it’s the biggest surprise, but it’s top3.
        In last 4 minutes or something like that, when the result was equal, Slovenia team was something like that, Nikolic, Blazic, Prepelic, Cancar, Randolph, Vidmar, and maybe Muric, I don’t remember if he played. I don’t know how they made it and I don’t believe you would like to see many of them to play in Zvezda this year.

        Bookies had Slovenia 30:1.
        Last edited by Killer Bob; 09-25-2017, 07:00 AM.
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        • #34
          To me is no surprise, as I wrote before tournament started Slovenia is an elite team. Basketball is more than math and calculation of players. Any team that has Dragić, Dončić and Randolph is elite team despite role players are not so "big". That actually helped Slovenia as this "no name" players had easier time to acept that they are role players

          Only upset is Slovenia beating Spain, but that was not something "imposible"
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          • #35
            Originally posted by ThePeraCar View Post
            i dont know where have you read in Srle's post that Serbia came with B team, anyway Serbia in 2009. was nowhere close to Slovenian team today, and this story about biggest upset ever is totally bs, you are pathetic, you are trying to marginalize that Serbia is missing 8 players, unfortunatley for you any of these players that Slovenia is missing are not even close to Jokic, i would like to see what would you say if Slovenia missed Dragic, also Jovic and Lazic got injured, Serbia destroyed Slovenia under the rim when Jovic was ingame when he couldnt play anymore our game fell apart, i dont know if you understand how stupid this is what you said "Dragic got exhausted so we played last Q with Z team"... well atleast he played
            Not just Jokic, but Teodosic,Bjelica etc. France missing Gobert,Batum Luwawu, Spain Lull ,Fernandez,Mirotic, Abrines, Italy missing Gallianri ,Greece missing Yannis etc. Every major basketball NT have missed at least one big star at this Eurobasket tournament. I know that was not Slovenian fault , but to claim that this was the greatest underdog story is just flat out BS
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            • #36
              What could be the Slovenian team that will play in the World Qualifications (from November '17) and in the next years in the World Championship (2019) and Olympics (2020) if Slovenia qualifies?

              I group players in
              RETIRED: G.Dragic
              NBA: Udrith
              EUROLEAGUE: Doncic, Randolph, Nikolic, Blazic, Muric, Z.Dragic
              POSSIBLE QUALITY ADDITIONS: Vujacic, E.Lorbek, U.Slokar

              ROSTER WORLD QUALIFICATIONS (no NBA, no EUROLEAGUE):
              * Uppercase for players not in Eurobasket 20017
              Klobucar, Rebec, SISKO, Prepelic, LAPORNIK, VUJACIC, Cancar, Zagorac, KOSI, A.OMIC, Dimec, Vidmar

              ROSTER WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP and OLYMPICS:
              Doncic, Nikolic, UDRITH, Klobucar, Rebec, SISKO, Z.DRAGIC, Prepelic, Blazic, LAPORNIK, VUJACIC, Cancar, Muric, Randolph, Zagorac, KOSI, A.OMIC, Dimec, Vidmar

              QUESTION n.1: in a couple of years what are the players who could make a leap of quality and became a star (considering Doncic- Randolph- Prepelic as actual leader)? Nikolic? Cancar? Others?

              QUESTION n.2: what are the most promising young players born afterwards 1997 (apart from Doncic and Cancar, they are already in Senior National Team) ?

              I start a list:
              Blaz Mesicek 6-6 '97 Brindisi, Italy
              Luka Krajlevic 6-10 '97 BC, NCAA
              Matic Vesel 6-9 '98 Illinois, NCAA
              Jurij Macura 6-9 '99 Baskonia, Spain
              Nik Dragan 6-7 '00 Olimpia Lubiana
              Rok Radovic 6-6 '01
              Gregor Glass 6-5 '01
              Luka Smodis 6-4 '01

              Thank you for your attention

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              • #37
                Not sure how it'll all work out but...

                E. Lorbek got cut of this team, almost as first. He wants to play, but is a mere shadow of his former self at the moment. He will likely retire.
                Vujačič and Udrih are a done story and won't participate with the NT for sure. G.Dragič and Vidmar are likely to retire from NT as well. However if Dragič shows up, along with Randolph and Kokoškov, Vidmar might change his mind for the next major competition.

                I'd consider a roste somwhat in the lines of this.

                PG: Nikolič, Rebec, Šiško

                They might not look scary... however as PG's are ussualy still developing through 24 of age... they could develop further. Šiško has a great IQ, but is a headcase, while Rebec in a suitable role is one of the most talented passers out there. The point is, both are above average creators with the potential to become very good at it

                SG: Z.Dragič, Prepelič, Blažič, Mesiček... maybee Hrovat for his defense, but he is too limited technicaly... Lapornik as a pure spot shooter kind of lacks that extra dimensions you expect from a modern SG,

                SF: obviously some of the SG's up there along with Dončič and Čančar. Čančar should imo develop nicely, he has a great stroke, good IQ and courtvision and... he is just long.I believe his wingspan is close to 7 feet and standing reach close to 9 feet. Those are decent numbers for NBA, while in europe they are outstanding. I'm fully confident he will develop into a very good player in europe if he stays healthy.

                PF: lol .... Murič brothers probably.... other younger players are a bit far fetched and it's not that likely most of them would develop into a NT level material (but than again, neither did Zagorac)... and Dino (younger Murič) is smaller than Edo, so basicaly he is a liability in defense even at noticably lower levels than eurobasket.

                C: another lol.... Dimec.... Omić as a naturalised player and untill Jurij Macura (99' born) I don't think we'll ever be decent there. Jurij will need more than 2 years to fulfill his potential although he played exceptionaly at U20 tournament considering his age (17 +1/2)... maybee Bolčina (95' 206cm, bulked-stretch C with decent range), but currently he isn't on this level at all.


                Backcourt will be decent for european standards even if Šiško and Mesiček fail to take the next step (1st head, 2nd back injuries), but inside presence is frustrating to say the least.

                Same goes with prospects: Samar and Duščak (both PG's and in Real's youth school now), brothers Klemen and Gregor Glas (SG/SF's), Radovič (SG/SF)... backcourt is definately promising to be fine in the 10 years period.
                Kraljevic might develop into a decent C, but overall there aren't any inside prospects in the range of Brezec, Nesterovič, Smodiš, E.Lorbek talent... apart from Macura that might get there
                Originally posted by Jon_Koncak
                That's funny shit.I cant believe there are sports fans thinking like it.It's like Federer losing to random Japanese player in round 1 of French Open but tournament director stepping in and saying "hey it was a fluke win who wants to watch a random Japanese guy in next round,Federer qualifies"

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Srle View Post
                  Lol at the biggest upset in the history of Eurobasket . Slovenia came with their best squad that they could gather also they naturalized american player just before the start of the tournament while Serbia,Spain,France and some other countries have missed lots of great players, I would call this Slovenian team the weakest champion in modern history of the European basketball. The biggest upset is Russia beating Spain on their own turf, that was the great Spain team loosing a real underdog team . You were lucky that this was the weakest Eurobasket ever, congratulation on your title but don't start BS topic like this one. It is so stupid.
                  LMAO are you for real? Are you seriously saying a Russia team, lead by a prime Andrei Kirilenko, by all accounts one of the best players from Europe of all time, prime Khryapa, and prime Holden, with Monia, Ponkrashov, Bykov, Pashutin, Savrasenko all being legit Euroleague players, with key roles on their teams is worse then Slovenia 2017? How can you even compare that team to a team of Dragic and Randolph who are legit players, with a very promessing 18 y/o and 9 other second tier players is beyond me. Russia was a top 4 team of that tournament beside Spain, Greece and Lithuania. Indecently all those teams also made it to the top 4. Would Spain win that game 4 out of 5 times. Sure they would. Was Russia being in the Final an upset in 2007? LMAO no.

                  And for people to say the talent level of Slovenia is in any way better then Serbia is laughable at best. I admit the Germany winning it all in 93 was a bigger upset but that is it.

                  That the talent level was not to best at this tournament also plays no role in the fact that this was the 2nd greatest upset in EB history. If teams were weaker, they were all weaker and it was the same for all teams competing. Its not like teams played Slovenia with their B team, and all the other teams with their A team.

                  The point is, that before the tournament everybody and their mother were saying that Slovenia ranked somewhere between 8-12th place, which is fine, that is where I would rank them as well (had i not been a homer and ranked them 6th), but to say today, that it was even expected for Slovenia to win, and that we actually had a better team talent wise as Serbia is laughable. I mean you don't have to look much further then this forum:

                  The EuroBasket 2017 will be the 40th edition of the basketball championship organized by FIBA. Featuring 24 teams, the tournament runs from ‎31 August ? 17 September across 4 locations in Finland, Israel, Romania, and Turkey.


                  or here:

                  The EuroBasket 2017 will be the 40th edition of the basketball championship organized by FIBA. Featuring 24 teams, the tournament runs from ‎31 August ? 17 September across 4 locations in Finland, Israel, Romania, and Turkey.


                  Most poster put us 3rd in our Group, a good many said we would finish 4th actually.

                  Most people, betting sites and reporters agreed that the top contenders for Gold were Spain, Serbia and Croatia, second tier were France, Lithuania and Greece. And that is fine and correct, which makes Slovenia's upset that much more surprising.

                  A good point to make is also, that our ride to the final was by no means easy. We had a tough group with France and Greece, a tough 1/4 against a crazy Lativa team, Spain and then Serbia. Except for the 1/8 no game was a piece of cake or luck with the draw.
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                  • #39
                    Of course that was the biggest upset in the history of European Championships , prior to Eurobasket 2007 , Spain had won World Championship and Russia was nowhere near to strength of Spanish NT, you are too drunk with joy that you country have just won the weakest Eurobasket ever, so you can think clearly so you are writing lots of BS.
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                    • #40
                      Not an upset some people believe it to be

                      @Alyosha - I would have to agree with others that this was not such an amazing upset, because:
                      - Slovenia had been a top 8 team for past 12 years making it to every quarters on WC or EB since 2005 with exception of 2015. It had a solid squad even before but with even worse results
                      - team would have been if it was gathered with all the talents the second best team in Europe by quality of players beetween 2005-2010
                      - the team has had immense amount of bad luck for not winning a medal before - a record meltdown in quarters against Greece in 2007 when it had amazing tournament behind it, in Eurobasket 2013 it lost to later champion (France in quarters), in Eurobasket 2009 it had injuries of Smodis and Dragic and lost to Serbia in semis after overtime and then to Greece for 3rd place for a point, in Eurobasket 2005 in the group stages it won against later champions Greece and 3rd France to lose against Germany in my opinion for underestimation, team had bad luck in facing US in WC 2014, when it would have made it to semis otherwise
                      - bookies had it 30 to 1 - based on past results, which involved an immense amount of bad luck to start with. If you look at the quality of the squad, this should have been top 4 team
                      - the team is solid - it does consist of 3 oustanding players (Doncic is outstanding by now), and it had additions of European level roleplayers that are young, hungry and on the up

                      @the ones complaining about other teams have missing players, I can say this. All the other teams (including Spain) were very lucky for Slovenia having the longest lists of missing players in consecutive Eurobaskets, otherwise other teams would have had some medals less...
                      - Eurobasket 2005 - solid team, yet with missing Beno Udrih (San Antonio Spurs), Matjaz Smodis (top European PF at the time - CSKA), Sasha Vujacic (Lakers), Marko Tusek (Lottomatica)
                      - Eurobasket 2007 - again a lot of absences: Bostjan Nachbar (Houston Rockets), Beno Udrih (Sacramento Kings), Sasha Vujacic, Primoz Brezec (Pistons), Sani Becirovic
                      - Eurobasket 2009 - Smodis (injured), Dragic (injured at the play offs), Vujacic (coach issue), Nesterovic (Raptors), Udrih (injured), Sani Becirovic
                      -Eurobasket 2011 - Nachbar, Brezec, Udrih, Becirovic
                      - Eurobasket 2015 - Dragic, Vidmar, Nachbar

                      even if we look at the 2017 Eurobasket, you got missing Udrih, Vujacic, Nachbar & Zoran Dragic, all pretty god damn good additions.

                      Talent going forward is questionable, but lets hope for the best.

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                      • #41
                        Suddenly when we won we had the best team in the championship. LEL. Seriously its easy to be a general after the battle. Except for Dragic and Randolph the rest of the team plays no visible role in their teams, especially compared to other NT's. Doncic was a talent, no doubt, but nobody could have predicted he would deal with pressure the way he did. If i told you our bench would win in the last 4 mins against Serbia in the finals, everyone would laugh at me. The whole team overperformed so much its crazy and most guys played the best basketball of their careers.

                        Suddenly we have people who knew we were going to win it, because we had the best team talent wise. Yeah sure.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by xxax View Post
                          Suddenly when we won we had the best team in the championship. LEL. Seriously its easy to be a general after the battle. Except for Dragic and Randolph the rest of the team plays no visible role in their teams, especially compared to other NT's. Doncic was a talent, no doubt, but nobody could have predicted he would deal with pressure the way he did. If i told you our bench would win in the last 4 mins against Serbia in the finals, everyone would laugh at me. The whole team overperformed so much its crazy and most guys played the best basketball of their careers.

                          Suddenly we have people who knew we were going to win it, because we had the best team talent wise. Yeah sure.
                          @xaxx - I put 50eur on Slovenia ahead of the tournament - made 30x return (do the maths). Does that make me a general ahead of the battle? Happy to buy you a beer next time when I am in Slovenia...
                          Regardless, you missed the point - I didnt know that they will win, but I thought that the odds were understated as bookies I assume look at fiba rankings and historical results (which were in some cases result of bad luck).. I thought that France, Spain and Serbia were better.. for the rest it was arguable..
                          Doncic was 2 round euroleague MVP, thus an elite player coming into the tournament, for Blazic we knee he could play, Vidmar as well, Cancar had been drafted by NBA, Muric could play, Nikolic is an euroleague playmaker. An absolute surprise to me was Prepelic, Dimec, Zagorac overperformed as well... Given that they dominated Eurobasket, well that was a surprise. We knew that we had a good coach and crazy motivated Dragic. We didnt know that they would jell that well, kudos to Kokoskov.

                          Going forward, without Goran, Vidmar and presumably Randolph, this team stands no chance. I hope he changes his mind

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Srle View Post
                            Lol at the biggest upset in the history of Eurobasket . Slovenia came with their best squad that they could gather also they naturalized american player just before the start of the tournament while Serbia,Spain,France and some other countries have missed lots of great players, I would call this Slovenian team the weakest champion in modern history of the European basketball. The biggest upset is Russia beating Spain on their own turf, that was the great Spain team loosing a real underdog team . You were lucky that this was the weakest Eurobasket ever, congratulation on your title but don't start BS topic like this one. It is so stupid.
                            Calling Russia-2007 "a real underdog team" is either a sign of major bias (possible since you and some of your cz fanboy colleagues are always writing shit about Russia and its basketball) or major ignorance. Yes, everyone (rightly) considered Spain a heavy favourite in the finals and, yes, they did have a better team than we had. But Russia was definitely viewed as a potential medal contender, there was no great surprise that Russia made it into finals and while the roster itself was rather thin it had enough quality in its ranks. I can only quote Alyosha12 "Are you seriously saying a Russia team, lead by a prime Andrei Kirilenko, prime Khryapa, and prime Holden, with Monia, Ponkrashov, Bykov, Pashutin, Savrasenko all being legit Euroleague players, with key roles on their teams is worse then Slovenia 2017?"

                            And, frankly, that shit with the "worst Eurobasket in history" and naming absences is funny. You just take it too much to your heart that heavily favoured Serbia which had a much, much better team on paper than Slovenia lost its greatest chance to win a title. I didn't really like this Eurobasket also, especially since many teams played in a retardo-ball with their stars being far too prominent (having 6 players, including 5 playing for quarterfinals participants, scoring more than 20 is not a good sign), but Eurobasket-2017 was just a middling one, definitely not the best, definitely not the worst (not to look too far 2013 was worse).

                            Originally posted by ThePeraCar View Post
                            when you look by the names even then Slovenia had better team than Serbia and probably 90% of the teams on this tournament
                            Good joke, mate. Vidmar most probably won't make it to the final Serbian roster, even having all the absences in mind (or maybe he could Stimac for the third string center title). Dimec, friggin Dimec, was a rotation player for Slovenia. Nikolic and Cancar were not exclusively for the purposes of warming the bench and getting dubious towel-throwing experience. They need Prepelic to score in double figures, I mean, Prepelic is a good, very much underrated player, I like him a lot, but he was the third main offensive option of this team. Hell, they even had Zagorac in the squad. They were only slightly better than some Germany, not to talk about "90% of the teams on this tournament".

                            And everybody who says that this Slovenian team misses Udrih (well, they were blessed he almost never came in his prime, they are mega-blessed that he didn't change his mind now when he is totally atrocious) and Vujacic (I mean, for real, Vujacic, that very guy who even some three years ago was not needed by anyone more powerful than Istanbul BB team) needs a major reality check.

                            Originally posted by DoMedalje View Post
                            - team would have been if it was gathered with all the talents the second best team in Europe by quality of players beetween 2005-2010
                            Bullshit. Slovenia has a lot of good to great quality among their late 70s to early 80s born players but still this is bullshit. At the very least Spain and France were significantly better.

                            Originally posted by DoMedalje View Post
                            - bookies had it 30 to 1 - based on past results, which involved an immense amount of bad luck to start with.
                            Nope, bookies don't rely on something like bad luck and even former achievements or fails are not high on their list of decisive factors.

                            Originally posted by DoMedalje View Post
                            If you look at the quality of the squad, this should have been top 4 team
                            Oh my goodness. Ok, let's take, for example, Spain, France, Greece and Serbia. Which of these squads have worse quality than Slovenia? And I can definitely name some others which don't look worse than Slovenian one for me. How many players with non-marginal top-level club experience did Slovenia have? I'm not even saying only NBA and EL-level (though many teams in this Eurobasket weren't poor on that) but even something like former pre-reform EuroCup play-off participant will do? Five? Six? Well, there were many teams whose whole rotations were composed out of the players of this caliber. And reasonable Slovenian fans seem to agree with me

                            Originally posted by DoMedalje View Post
                            - the team is solid - it does consist of 3 oustanding players (Doncic is outstanding by now), and it had additions of European level roleplayers that are young, hungry and on the up
                            Well, I'm not saying that this Slovenia is a totally lousy team. We can say that it is even solid with some stretch. Quality of the first 7-8 rotation players is decent/solid but, not even mentioning having Dimec and Zagorac in the squad, you have to take into account that there were many teams which are significantly better than simply solid. I would put Slovenia somewhere arond 8th or 9th place if we have to judge by the strength of the rosters only.

                            In the end, this was a great, great upset and to get this reality all that clear, just like Alyosha12 already noted, you only need to look back to what was the 'vox populi' about Slovenian chances for championship before the start of this tournament.
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                            • #44
                              Don't give me prime this prime that crap, Russian NT was nowhere to find until that triumph in 2007, before that , last medal they have won was in 1998 at WC . Russia was the great underdog in 2007 , playing against world champions in the finals on their home court, I personally didn't have Russia as top 3 teams going into the tournament, to be precise I didn't have them in the top 6 best teams that year , big respect for what they achieve that year even though they had foreigner hitting the winning shot for them.

                              Serbia wasn't favorite in the finals this year , that team have missed 4,5 players from the Olympic final and few other players that could make this year squad while Slovenia had their best players available plus instant American enforcement. The fact is that this was the weakest Eurobasket in years , thanks to that Russia was able to get that 4th place , I understand why you are defending this tournament so hard, but you are totally wrong and you know it
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Terrorizer View Post
                                Calling Russia-2007 "a real underdog team" is either a sign of major bias (possible since you and some of your cz fanboy colleagues are always writing shit about Russia and its basketball) or major ignorance. Yes, everyone (rightly) considered Spain a heavy favourite in the finals and, yes, they did have a better team than we had. But Russia was definitely viewed as a potential medal contender, there was no great surprise that Russia made it into finals and while the roster itself was rather thin it had enough quality in its ranks. I can only quote Alyosha12 "Are you seriously saying a Russia team, lead by a prime Andrei Kirilenko, prime Khryapa, and prime Holden, with Monia, Ponkrashov, Bykov, Pashutin, Savrasenko all being legit Euroleague players, with key roles on their teams is worse then Slovenia 2017?"

                                And, frankly, that shit with the "worst Eurobasket in history" and naming absences is funny. You just take it too much to your heart that heavily favoured Serbia which had a much, much better team on paper than Slovenia lost its greatest chance to win a title. I didn't really like this Eurobasket also, especially since many teams played in a retardo-ball with their stars being far too prominent (having 6 players, including 5 playing for quarterfinals participants, scoring more than 20 is not a good sign), but Eurobasket-2017 was just a middling one, definitely not the best, definitely not the worst (not to look too far 2013 was worse).


                                Good joke, mate. Vidmar most probably won't make it to the final Serbian roster, even having all the absences in mind (or maybe he could Stimac for the third string center title). Dimec, friggin Dimec, was a rotation player for Slovenia. Nikolic and Cancar were not exclusively for the purposes of warming the bench and getting dubious towel-throwing experience. They need Prepelic to score in double figures, I mean, Prepelic is a good, very much underrated player, I like him a lot, but he was the third main offensive option of this team. Hell, they even had Zagorac in the squad. They were only slightly better than some Germany, not to talk about "90% of the teams on this tournament".

                                And everybody who says that this Slovenian team misses Udrih (well, they were blessed he almost never came in his prime, they are mega-blessed that he didn't change his mind now when he is totally atrocious) and Vujacic (I mean, for real, Vujacic, that very guy who even some three years ago was not needed by anyone more powerful than Istanbul BB team) needs a major reality check.


                                Bullshit. Slovenia has a lot of good to great quality among their late 70s to early 80s born players but still this is bullshit. At the very least Spain and France were significantly better.


                                Nope, bookies don't rely on something like bad luck and even former achievements or fails are not high on their list of decisive factors.


                                Oh my goodness. Ok, let's take, for example, Spain, France, Greece and Serbia. Which of these squads have worse quality than Slovenia? And I can definitely name some others which don't look worse than Slovenian one for me. How many players with non-marginal top-level club experience did Slovenia have? I'm not even saying only NBA and EL-level (though many teams in this Eurobasket weren't poor on that) but even something like former pre-reform EuroCup play-off participant will do? Five? Six? Well, there were many teams whose whole rotations were composed out of the players of this caliber. And reasonable Slovenian fans seem to agree with me


                                Well, I'm not saying that this Slovenia is a totally lousy team. We can say that it is even solid with some stretch. Quality of the first 7-8 rotation players is decent/solid but, not even mentioning having Dimec and Zagorac in the squad, you have to take into account that there were many teams which are significantly better than simply solid. I would put Slovenia somewhere arond 8th or 9th place if we have to judge by the strength of the rosters only.

                                In the end, this was a great, great upset and to get this reality all that clear, just like Alyosha12 already noted, you only need to look back to what was the 'vox populi' about Slovenian chances for championship before the start of this tournament.
                                you are right Serbia had better squad, so you are saying injured Jovic is better than Dragic, Micic is better than Doncic, and ofcourse Macvan is better than Randolph, mate go watch hockey thats Russian sport
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