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    Quote Originally Posted by mangangalakal View Post
    Maybe this is one of the reasons which influenced Kobe's decision...
    Loyalty yan with theus and athletic director..Japeth got sideswiped innwku when the coach changed.. christiannstandjardinger was released in nebraska when new coach coming the coach who recruited got in hawaii and guess where Cs go after the park scandal..

    And reggie theus although longshot is a former nba coach..
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    Quote Originally Posted by digitalsuperman View Post
    kid is perfect for DDO.
    Yeah. With his blinding speed & athleticism, it would be easy for Remy Martin to beat his man off the dribble & drive strong to the basket. American basketball panelists describe Martin as super quick & I think that is not an exaggeration. The kid is really amazingly quick.

    Imagine some 5 years from now, Martin playing alongside 3-pt. shooting shooting guards & wingmen, and a Kai Sotto that towers over everyone. Imagine such a rich offensive options like that. The defense has to collapse once Martin penetrates, which of course will free up the shooters in the corners. Martin can also dish off a drop pass to the center if he is able to draw the 2nd line of defense.
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    is there a slim chance he can play with Gilas while still in College?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex07 View Post
    is there a slim chance he can play with Gilas while still in College?
    Under a set-up of limited to 1 or 2 weeks at the most (includes prep) during the US summer , preferrably early summer (July) i think he at least has a shot.

    Steven Adams I'm predicting will play in the July window of the home and away for the 1st time for NZ, mainly because of the limited time required ( he's litteraly going to have 1 or 2 practices and play 1 to 2 games) so a week in total literaly.
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    For me, a 18 years old Kiefer Ravena is better than a 18 years old Remy Martin. Skill-wise and basketball I.Q. lamang si Kiefer, lamang lang si Remy in terms of athleticism.

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    Default the most talented,tallest lineup ever?

    Sayang talaga, by 2023 we would have a fully loaded lineup with point guard Martin (already 23 years old by that time), shooting guard Clarkson (30 years old by that time) and small forward Jalen Green (6'7 / 21 years old). Plus Kai and Aj Edu. That would be very terrifying for our Asian counterparts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    For me, a 18 years old Kiefer Ravena is better than a 18 years old Remy Martin. Skill-wise and basketball I.Q. lamang si Kiefer, lamang lang si Remy in terms of athleticism.
    I doubt an 18-year old Kiefer Ravena could play in the US NCAA Div. 1 level the way Remy Martin does. An 18-year old Kiefer having higher basketball I. Q. than Remy Martin, I agree. But skill-wise, I don't think Kiefer, when he was 18, had the edge over the current skills of Remy Martin. For one, Kiefer's 3-pt. was a big question mark when he was 18. Martin on the other hand, already have a decent/respectable 3-pt. shooting in this stage of his young career.

    You see, the competition in the US NCAA Div. 1, specially among the guards, is ridiculously very tough. Subrang dami ang mga magagaling na guards sa US college level.

    Remy Martin averaging close to double figures in scoring in only his rookie season at Arizona State U is no mean feat. I don't think Kiefer is capable of making such impact had he went to an NCAA Div. 1 when he was 18 or 19 years old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAMSKIE View Post
    I doubt an 18-year old Kiefer Ravena could play in the US NCAA Div. 1 level the way Remy Martin does. An 18-year old Kiefer having higher basketball I. Q. than Remy Martin, I agree. But skill-wise, I don't think Kiefer, when he was 18, had the edge over the current skills of Remy Martin. For one, Kiefer's 3-pt. was a big question mark when he was 18. Martin on the other hand, already have a decent/respectable 3-pt. shooting in this stage of his young career.

    You see, the competition in the US NCAA Div. 1, specially among the guards, is ridiculously very tough. Subrang dami ang mga magagaling na guards sa US college level.

    Remy Martin averaging close to double figures in scoring in only his rookie season at Arizona State U is no mean feat. I don't think Kiefer is capable of making such impact had he went to an NCAA Div. 1 when he was 18 or 19 years old.
    We can both agree to disagree but for me an 18 years old Kiefer can hold his ground against good PG of the US NCAA D1, but I can only speculate because it never happened(play in NCAA D1). Playing against PBA players when he was teenager really helped his game. Way back in 2009, he and Guo Ailun are the best U-16 PG of Asia. Come 2023 Kiefer and Remy are the PG of Gilas Pilipinas!!
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    And here is the basketball highlight of Remy Martin..

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    For me, a 18 years old Kiefer Ravena is better than a 18 years old Remy Martin. Skill-wise and basketball I.Q. lamang si Kiefer, lamang lang si Remy in terms of athleticism.
    It's a question worth pondering. So many kids in the US are so athletic and big at such a young age (dunking in traffic @ 12 yrs old) so the game is very different compared to the Philippines. Training is also taken way seriously and way earlier compared to the Philippines, which means that along the way, Remy has come across a lot of really skilled and high BBIQ PGs. Players such as Kai right now will have a very difficult time playing against top players of his same age in the US (around Jalen Green's level).

    Having said that, I do not think it would've been far-fetched to think that Kiefer could've had success in the US at 18 (being around the PBA at a young age really brought his game up). Playing against grown men when he was a kid negated that need to train abroad (which I think is essential to be able to play against elite size which is not feasible in the Philippines). That is why I am so hopeful for a homegrown player to have success in the US so the level of basketball in the Philippines would have some legitimacy. Until then, we can not ask for that recognition just yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    For me, a 18 years old Kiefer Ravena is better than a 18 years old Remy Martin. Skill-wise and basketball I.Q. lamang si Kiefer, lamang lang si Remy in terms of athleticism.
    Remy Martin is turning 20 years old this year. He was born on June 16 1998. The kid reminded me of a young Jayson Castro when he played for PCU. I think Martin is a better shooter, and a legit 5'10.75" without shoes.

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    Kiefer couldnt even make a G League team, I doubt greatly he's as good as the PAC12 6th Man of the Year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikatrix View Post
    Kiefer couldnt even make a G League team, I doubt greatly he's as good as the PAC12 6th Man of the Year.
    because he didn’t apply for the g league draft. had he apply, he might get drafted in later rounds

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silent Killer View Post
    because he didn’t apply for the g league draft. had he apply, he might get drafted in later rounds
    He got a tryout. If he was worth picking he wouldve entered the draft.

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    About the Kiefer Ravena-Remy Martin comparison: The thing is, Remy Martin was already been impressive in only his rookie year in the NCAA Div. 1 league. So somehow, Martin has already proven himself in that level of competition.

    On the other hand, we can only "second guess" of how Kiefer would have performed in the NCAA Div. 1 tournament had he played there when he was 19 or 20 years old. That's the best we could do, just to "second guess" becoz such thing never happened. You don't evaluate a player for something that never happened.

    Some experts are saying that the legendary Oscar Schmidt of Brazil would have upstaged Dirk Nowitzki's NBA accomplishments had Oscar Schmidt played in the NBA. But such experts' analysis is just a "second guess" becoz Oscar Schmidt never had the chance to prove himself in the NBA while Nowitzki had more than proven himself in the NBA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    For me, a 18 years old Kiefer Ravena is better than a 18 years old Remy Martin. Skill-wise and basketball I.Q. lamang si Kiefer, lamang lang si Remy in terms of athleticism.
    one thing is for sure,18 year old Martin is quicker than an 18 year old Ravena if not a lot quicker, that is with and without the basketball on their hands.Everything else would have been compared if Keifer played in the US NCAA.I would have to agree with the one who posted that Keifer had trouble being on a D-League team while Martin is with a Pac-12 team and I wouldn't be surprised if D-League teams would draft him quickly if he decided to go to D-League in a few years, that's if he won't make the NBA that might be a slight possibility.Martin has an average of 1.3 Turnovers per game with a 23.8 minutes of playing time (collegiate stats) while Keifer has 2.09 turnovers per game (minutes was not recorded on the stat-line). Keifer averages 15.45 PPG 3.45 RPG 5.36 APG while Martin 9.6 PPG 3.0 RPG 2.9 AST. Pretty lopsided if you ask me but this does not say what kind of competition there is in the D1 NCAA tournaments and the PBA.But you have to remember that an all-star PBA team (Philippine Centennial Team) competed before against D1 teams and they were beaten up badly by a group of "amateur" ballers.


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    Remember with Mbala, DLSU had a hard time beating a JUCO team. Remy Martin got into a rotation of a P5 team which made the NCAA tournament as a freshman. He also got a Sixth Man of the year award. The level of competition is a no contest. Doesnt mean that Keifer wont be the star in a lineup with Remy Martin. Keifer is a proven star for Gilas. Remy for now has only proven to be a decent role player for a tournament school, basically the level Gabe Norwood achieved or maybe a bit higher. I hope as he grows he gets to be the star of Arizona State. Still upside at the same age of these two is a no contest for Remy.

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    Realize that too make it in the different leagues, US NCAA div 1, PBA , NBA or whatever requires a different unique skill set for each, some leagues emphasize other aspects over the others. there is a reason why Kobe Paras was a highly recruited Div 1 player and Kiefer probably wasn't . Doesn't take a genius to realize that Remy Martin's upside is really good. mainly because of inate speed and athtleticisim , that's what Div 1NCAA teams look for , they can transform natural ability into a real gamer. Kiefer while strong and can jump for a Fiilipino didn't have inate Div 1 or NBA natural ability, yes he honed his craft very well to be a very smart player (all credit to him) but he simply wasn't a Div 1 NCAA high prospect. That's not to say that Remy having more natural abiiity will surely be a top PBA player like Kiefer if he decides to in the future, it's a different league and competition. But speaking purely of Remy , he absolutely has the potential to be a world class PG (Patty Mills level) , let's face it as good as Kiefer is he was never projected or had the potential to be at that level (Patty mills type level)

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    The comparison made is between an 18 year old Kiefer vs Martin, so making a comparison on the present achievements and "what ifs" on both is not valid. Lets wait and compare an 25 yo Kiefer vs Matiin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aqua Light View Post
    The comparison made is between an 18 year old Kiefer vs Martin, so making a comparison on the present achievements and "what ifs" on both is not valid. Lets wait and compare an 25 yo Kiefer vs Matiin
    The moment Kiefer committed to Ateneo instead of trying his luck abroad his potential was limited. Look at BRP, 4 years in Georgia Tech or Gonzaga couldve done his career wonders but real life got in the way of that and since the level of competition here is much lower, it hampered his growth.

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