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    Quote Originally Posted by analyzed View Post
    Question isn't if he will be pursud ( obviously he will if your that good.. Div 1 producer) , but if player would have a Phil passport if he wasn't good (div 1 producer) , oh if Pingle and CS were not good , i'm confident they won't have a Philippine passport as well. (that's the decription of pursuing to get passport for the purpose of representing the country alone , not normal life naturalisation)
    that's the reason i am quite disappointed when sbp did nothing for jeron artest to secure a passport before he reached 16 y/o. the kid has the potential to be a good guard and wingman. he is athletic 6'4 player. he had been here in manila when he was 13-14 y/o - quite a long time to secure ph passport. he, even metta world peace and his pinay mother, is willing to represent the philippines in fiba. fast forward, jeron is already 18, playing for ncaa d1 team, has yet to secure a passport. his mother is still seeking for help to our ph consulate.

    by the looks of it, it is evident that sbp did not do anything to help jeron to secure ph passport.
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    Quote Originally Posted by analyzed View Post
    Question isn't if he will be pursud ( obviously he will if your that good.. Div 1 producer) , but if player would have a Phil passport if he wasn't good (div 1 producer) , oh if Pingle and CS were not good , i'm confident they won't have a Philippine passport as well. (that's the decription of pursuing to get passport for the purpose of representing the country alone , not normal life naturalisation)
    The first question was actually, will he be given Phil passport if he is not an NBA player?...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ja.he View Post
    that's the reason i am quite disappointed when sbp did nothing for jeron artest to secure a passport before he reached 16 y/o. the kid has the potential to be a good guard and wingman. he is athletic 6'4 player. he had been here in manila when he was 13-14 y/o - quite a long time to secure ph passport. he, even metta world peace and his pinay mother, is willing to represent the philippines in fiba. fast forward, jeron is already 18, playing for ncaa d1 team, has yet to secure a passport. his mother is still seeking for help to our ph consulate.

    by the looks of it, it is evident that sbp did not do anything to help jeron to secure ph passport.
    Thats on SBP... Do SBP have an employee whose work is just to help in facilitating for the passport of our prospective Filfor players. You're right Artest when he was just 14 was already here in the Philippines, nagpaparamdam na, wala pa rin..

    If thats the case, SBP waiting a player to be a supernova first before acting on his passport. Tama na rin labg yubg Fiba, if a federation dint even bother processing for aplayers documents, that country dont have the right to play that player...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sajubeads View Post
    Thats on SBP... Do SBP have an employee whose work is just to help in facilitating for the passport of our prospective Filfor players. You're right Artest when he was just 14 was already here in the Philippines, nagpaparamdam na, wala pa rin..

    If thats the case, SBP waiting a player to be a supernova first before acting on his passport. Tama na rin labg yubg Fiba, if a federation dint even bother processing for aplayers documents, that country dont have the right to play that player...
    parang gusto kasi ng sbp, the players are already finished products in order for them to secure ph passport.
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    Wow so much drama. WTH he's being hyped for how long now and we aren't even sure of his eligibility. Someone's been sleeping on his job

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    People must think FIBA is so ignorant.. to think they would believe Clarkson had his passport before 16 yrs old.

    Facts - JC was drafted in 2014, a year prior (2013) he was already a highly rated prospect ( in NBA mock drafts).

    Would coach with half a brain, if told JC had a U16 Phil passport.. that was desperate to qualify for the 2014 World cup via way of the qualifiers ( 2013 FIBA Asia , qualifiers ) not include in the roster a wing NBA mock draft prospect with a Filipino passport before U16) ?

    Note FIBA asia 2013 in Manila was held in US summer ( off season where players are all available)

    Well Chot actually answered the question in social media.. HE SAID Clarkson is not eligible !

    Given the facts, what would FIBA who are not fools determine? You tell me ... so despite in 2015 Barrios officially stating JC has a passport before U16, FIBA is shaking their heads thinking ( the Philppines must think we're stupid!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by digitalsuperman View Post
    remy will surely be considered for 2023 but not for this world cup. we have enough pg that can do the job.
    Can't be sure about 2023 either,the only ones going to be drop in the PG rotation is Castro and Romeo,in the eyes of the coaches and fans the locals will improve,then you Panopio,BRP,Thompson,Barroca and probably another 3 more names to add in the mix.If they can't get him in for the Olympic qualifiers then forget it,the only game he probably will see action is the almost meaningless Asian Games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sajubeads View Post
    The first question was actually, will he be given Phil passport if he is not an NBA player?...
    I copied and pasted my question : Tell me honestly guys would JC have a Philiippine passport if he was not an NBA player or prospect?

    my question was will he have if not a highly rated prospect ( NBA) , not will he be given. there is a difference , which is my point on the rationale of FIBA's principle of the U16 rule.. Did the player in question acquire citizenship for basketball or normal naturalization reasons? if it's the former as what JC's situation suggest, then it's a negative for FIBA

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    Quote Originally Posted by ja.he View Post
    parang gusto kasi ng sbp, the players are already finished products in order for them to secure ph passport.
    Yes you're exactly correct. for the SBP to faciliate processing of passport especially for non straight forward processing ( parents no longer citizen, 2nd generation need to reaquire citizenship ) they want sure bets to invest time and effort

    Yung FIBA naman and rightfully so , does not agree and accept that practice of acquiring citizenship as an adult when one already knows magaling..

    Yun , exacto yung problema, but question who has the problem there FIBA or SBP ( one of only 200 federations) sino may problema sa sistema ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by analyzed View Post
    Yes you're exactly correct. for the SBP to faciliate processing of passport especially for non straight forward processing ( parents no longer citizen, 2nd generation need to reaquire citizenship ) they want sure bets to invest time and effort

    Yung FIBA naman and rightfully so , does not agree and accept that practice of acquiring citizenship as an adult when one already knows magaling..

    Yun , exacto yung problema, but question who has the problem there FIBA or SBP ( one of only 200 federations) sino may problema sa sistema ?
    Is there a payment for processing the papers of a prospective Fil For player to Fiba. Babayaran ba ang Fiba just for scrutinizing aplayers papers if he is eligible.

    Problem with SBP, they only process the papers of a player they want to play for that tournament near a tournament time. EXAMPLE, paglalaruin nila sa 2019 Fiba Asia Qualifying, SBP would just process that players papers around a month prior the tournament. INSTEAD of processing it way before.. Mabiti na yung may reserve player ka kahit di mo pa paglaruin ngayon.. Yung college teams nga narerecruit or naghohoard for future use...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sajubeads View Post
    Is there a payment for processing the papers of a prospective Fil For player to Fiba. Babayaran ba ang Fiba just for scrutinizing aplayers papers if he is eligible.

    Problem with SBP, they only process the papers of a player they want to play for that tournament near a tournament time. EXAMPLE, paglalaruin nila sa 2019 Fiba Asia Qualifying, SBP would just process that players papers around a month prior the tournament. INSTEAD of processing it way before.. Mabiti na yung may reserve player ka kahit di mo pa paglaruin ngayon.. Yung college teams nga narerecruit or naghohoard for future use...
    I copied and pasted real answer here ( deleted personalities)

    it is only FIBA that can clear a player and the process takes several months, BBNZ (National federation) would have to pay 2,000 Swiss francs (about NZ$4k) for the application and you don’t get it back if the request is denied.

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    lol if pringle and cs are not that good we might see them in Philippine colleges ala louie brill and ahem Gregory Fuentes Slaughter as nardy is getting in touch with them.ever since they are teenagers..if alam lang ng ibners noon that u16 rule is strictly implemented.. they already do their actions back then..
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    Quote Originally Posted by reamily View Post
    lol if pringle and cs are not that good we might see them in Philippine colleges ala louie brill and ahem Gregory Fuentes Slaughter as nardy is getting in touch with them.ever since they are teenagers..if alam lang ng ibners noon that u16 rule is strictly implemented.. they already do their actions back then..
    Yes pag medyo bano... puede sa FIBa he he, but seriously if they were not that good , their passport will be processed by the Philippine school, pag ganoon... OK sa FIBA yun , cause acquistion of citizenship as a minor ( 18 yr old freshman) is based on decision to live while studying and playing in the Phil ( parang si Tuffin)

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    Quote Originally Posted by reamily View Post
    lol if pringle and cs are not that good we might see them in Philippine colleges ala louie brill and ahem Gregory Fuentes Slaughter as nardy is getting in touch with them.ever since they are teenagers..if alam lang ng ibners noon that u16 rule is strictly implemented.. they already do their actions back then..
    The Hagop rule was only strictly implemented in 2011 during Fiba Asia saga of Lassiter... For sure had their been Hagop before that Slaughter would have gotten his. Actually he got his passport albeit belatedly during his stay with UV. Nadelay lang ang pag process for his eligibilty after GS had a falling out with MVP group when he applied for Draft in 2013 and went to GSM (MVP urging him to stay for one more year in amateurs, play for Gilas and apply in 2014 when MVP group had the number 1 pick). All along t SBP thought Slaughter was eligible already due to the grandfathers rule that all players who played in Fiba competition prior to 2011 are already classified as local or so SBP had tnought...
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    Which begs the question of, is SBP already processing the papers of teenagers and readily exemptable Ron Harper Jr, Jeron Artest and Carl Ballungay? Mga anak na nga NBA players yang sina Artest at Harper, tinulugan pa ng SBP. I mean when is SBP going to process their papers in 2023?Granting these kids are already Fiba ineligible, but by having their passport right now, SBP can use these guys for 3 on 3,or can ask for exemption in their behalf.. Kaya nga, it would have prudent for SBP to include any of the 3 as a Naturalized ineligible for our U19 team, their playing for Youth team can be used as a basis for exemption or outright classification as local such as in the case of Wright and or Torres...

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    if case is similar to like Greg , even if he didn't get passport before 16, i think that's reasonably exemptable. It's consisent naman with the principle of the u16 rule.. (acquistion of citizenship as a minor for normal purposes (study, living etc)
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    Quote Originally Posted by sajubeads View Post
    Which begs the question of, is SBP already processing the papers of teenagers and readily exemptable Ron Harper Jr, Jeron Artest and Carl Ballungay? .
    $$$ , budget yung problema.. sa Pinas yung pera is driven by the teams wanting to win ( schools) in this case , sobrang tanda na for PBA... so if the benefactor will be rewarded with his team interest.. meron kang budget...

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    Quote Originally Posted by analyzed View Post
    $$$ , budget yung problema.. sa Pinas yung pera is driven by the teams wanting to win ( schools) in this case , sobrang tanda na for PBA... so if the benefactor will be rewarded with his team interest.. meron kang budget...
    Processing for papers of Exemptable or Filfor players is peanuts compared to the salries of NP like Blatche

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    So Dwight Ramos could be exemptable ,now that he will be playing for ADMU, even if he got his passport after 16

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    Quote Originally Posted by sajubeads View Post
    So Dwight Ramos could be exemptable ,now that he will be playing for ADMU, even if he got his passport after 16
    dwight got his prior to age 16

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