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    Default When did LeBron surpass Kobe ?

    According to Michael Jordan ; it's never happened. .

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    To me it was 05-06 and was solidified in 2006-07 when he had what is still the most dominant playoff performance I have ever seen in that Game 5 against Detroit.

    Kobe regained the top spot for a few years in 2008 when he finally started playing the right way and being a facilitator but after that it was all LeBron.

    But Kawhi is knocking on the door, with Giannis right behind him. Kawhi was just flat out amazing in last year's playoffs when healthy, but still isn't quite there because LeBron is a true point-forward and Kawhi has yet to really become that. But he has become imo the most dominant, complete player since mid 2000s LeBron.

    I think people really forget just how good LeBron was back then. He was a 6'8" shooting guard who was built like a defensive lineman who could do literally everything on the court. He moved like Kobe, Jordan, etc... like a swingman. Like Kawhi does. Before Kawhi, only Tyreke Evans had been able to play that way other than LeBron. Then Lance Stephenson, minus the shooting.

    Jordan is the GOAT but I honestly think he's biased in favor of shooting guards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHBB View Post
    To me it was 05-06 and was solidified in 2006-07 when he had what is still the most dominant playoff performance I have ever seen in that Game 5 against Detroit.

    Kobe regained the top spot for a few years in 2008 when he finally started playing the right way and being a facilitator but after that it was all LeBron.

    But Kawhi is knocking on the door, with Giannis right behind him. Kawhi was just flat out amazing in last year's playoffs when healthy, but still isn't quite there because LeBron is a true point-forward and Kawhi has yet to really become that. But he has become imo the most dominant, complete player since mid 2000s LeBron.

    I think people really forget just how good LeBron was back then. He was a 6'8" shooting guard who was built like a defensive lineman who could do literally everything on the court. He moved like Kobe, Jordan, etc... like a swingman. Like Kawhi does. Before Kawhi, only Tyreke Evans had been able to play that way other than LeBron. Then Lance Stephenson, minus the shooting.

    Jordan is the GOAT but I honestly think he's biased in favor of shooting guards.
    There is Kevin Durant, and Chris Paul....

    And you're talking about Antetokounmpo...
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    Ordan is trying to protect his goat status. "let me debate kobe over lebron " to infer am better then lebron.
    No one puts Kobe over Jordan, but lot of people in world put Lebron ahead of Ordan.

    Ordan better shut up. Lebron better then ordan and kobe combined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eshmawi View Post
    Ordan is trying to protect his goat status. "let me debate kobe over lebron " to infer am better then lebron.
    No one puts Kobe over Jordan, but lot of people in world put Lebron ahead of Ordan.

    Ordan better shut up. Lebron better then ordan and kobe combined.
    Hahhahahaha. This is the funniest post I have ever read. Ordan is the GOAT

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    Quote Originally Posted by eshmawi View Post
    Ordan is trying to protect his goat status. "let me debate kobe over lebron " to infer am better then lebron.
    No one puts Kobe over Jordan, but lot of people in world put Lebron ahead of Ordan.

    Ordan better shut up. Lebron better then ordan and kobe combined.
    You nailed it. That's exactly what Ordan or Jordan is doing. He has the agenda of protecting his legacy as the greatest so by putting Kobe who is a lesser copy of Jordan and nobody in their right minds would ever but ahead of Jordan he is saying he is clearly the best. As you pointed out LeBron vs Jordan is debatable. Kobe vs Jordan isn't.

    Ps In accordance with who started this thread the proper answer is that LeBron surpassed Kobe probable when he was 15 or 16 years old and grew taller than 6 foot 6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usagre View Post
    You nailed it. That's exactly what Ordan or Jordan is doing. He has the agenda of protecting his legacy as the greatest so by putting Kobe who is a lesser copy of Jordan and nobody in their right minds would ever but ahead of Jordan he is saying he is clearly the best. As you pointed out LeBron vs Jordan is debatable. Kobe vs Jordan isn't.

    Ps In accordance with who started this thread the proper answer is that LeBron surpassed Kobe probable when he was 15 or 16 years old and grew taller than 6 foot 6.
    LeBron, the best center in NBA

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    Lebron is the 2nd greatest player if all time. 4 MVP, 3 finals MVP > 1 MVP, and 2 finals MVP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tevfik1907 View Post
    There is Kevin Durant, and Chris Paul....

    And you're talking about Antetokounmpo...
    KD is nothing but a tall shooter who can score a bit and occasionally plays defense. He had to join Golden State for a reason. CP3 I'm not sure how he fits into this discussion. He's amazing but he's just a great point guard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHBB View Post
    KD is nothing but a tall shooter who can score a bit and occasionally plays defense. He had to join Golden State for a reason. CP3 I'm not sure how he fits into this discussion. .
    Hm what ?

    1- Lebron had to join Miami so he could win two championships, and he is still three championships behind of Jordan and two championships behind of Kobe. Kobe would surpass Jordan if he could do the same thing that Lebron, KD and Garnett did.

    Only Jordan and Kobe won all their championships in the same team.

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    CP3 I'm not sure how he fits into this discussion. He's amazing but he's just a great point guard.
    2- Jordan and Kobe are SGs and LeBron is a SF. You are still comparing them with each other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tevfik1907 View Post
    Kobe would surpass Jordan if he could do the same thing that Lebron, KD and Garnett did.
    None of those three guys had the good fortune to start with a franchise like the Lakers and Kobe wanted to leave the team around 2007.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tevfik1907 View Post
    Hm what ?

    1- Lebron had to join Miami so he could win two championships, and he is still three championships behind of Jordan and two championships behind of Kobe. Kobe would surpass Jordan if he could do the same thing that Lebron, KD and Garnett did.

    Only Jordan and Kobe won all their championships in the same team.



    2- Jordan and Kobe are SGs and LeBron is a SF. You are still comparing them with each other.
    You heard me.

    LeBron didn't have to join any team. This is something people get so twisted. He had to leave Cleveland because they refused to put anything real around him. They brought in the best players around him in that time via trade or free agency, and for the most part the only ones who were any good were over the hill. After trading Andre Miller for Darius Miles and losing Carlos Boozer to free agency, the Cavs brought in a rotating door of big men and point guards without ever bringing in one who belonged starting on a contender -with the exception of Snow maybe. Their 2004 draft picks were Luke Jackson and Varajeo. Their only good picks they held onto in the entire time LeBron was there were Shannon Brown, Boobie Gibson, and JJ Hickson. That's literally it. Those squads LeBron carried on his back throughout his entire tenure are hands down some of the worst playoff let alone contending squads in the history of the game. Their big acquisitions for LeBron were an over the hill Shaq, an over the hill Larry Hughes, an over the hill Antawn Jamison, and overrated, ballhog ass Mo Williams. Kobe had Caron Butler, Lamar Odom, Pau Gasol, Andrew Bynum and just so much more. Don't even get me started on the loaded roster KD had from 08 on or how Jeff Green was the real leader on that team while KD and Russ grew up. You're out of your mind with these claims.

    2. This thread itself is comparing LeBron, Kobe, and Jordan. And you created it.

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    Winning championships - MVP with multiple teams is more impressive then winning with one team.It just testifies to your greatness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eshmawi View Post
    Winning championships - MVP with multiple teams is more impressive then winning with one team.It just testifies to your greatness.
    And only Kareem and LeBron won NBA Finals MVP, and MVP with two different teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHBB View Post
    You heard me.
    LeBron didn't have to join any team. This is something people get so twisted. He had to leave Cleveland because they refused to put anything real around him. They brought in the best players around him in that time via trade or free agency, and for the most part the only ones who were any good were over the hill. After trading Andre Miller for Darius Miles and losing Carlos Boozer to free agency, the Cavs brought in a rotating door of big men and point guards without ever bringing in one who belonged starting on a contender -with the exception of Snow maybe. Their 2004 draft picks were Luke Jackson and Varajeo. Their only good picks they held onto in the entire time LeBron was there were Shannon Brown, Boobie Gibson, and JJ Hickson. That's literally it. Those squads LeBron carried on his back throughout his entire tenure are hands down some of the worst playoff let alone contending squads in the history of the game. Their big acquisitions for LeBron were an over the hill Shaq, an over the hill Larry Hughes, an over the hill Antawn Jamison, and overrated, ballhog ass Mo Williams. Kobe had Caron Butler, Lamar Odom, Pau Gasol, Andrew Bynum and just so much more. Don't even get me started on the loaded roster KD had from 08 on or how Jeff Green was the real leader on that team while KD and Russ grew up. You're out of your mind with these claims.
    Right, I think that's why people blame him for starting the 'super team' thing.



    He started it, not KD. This is just a hypocrisy if you're going to blame KD for joining to the GSW.

    And don't even mention about how weak Cavs were, Dallas team had a much weaker roster against Miami and they still won the 2011. Detroit won the 2004 with a lesser roster than the Lakers. Lebron started the super team because he was afraid to not win a championship so he had to leave the Cavs and played with D-Wade, Chris Bosh in Miami which is a super team.
    Quote Originally Posted by CHBB View Post
    2. This thread itself is comparing LeBron, Kobe, and Jordan. And you created it.

    Yes, and you throw out names like Kawhi and Anteto, and I said other names like KD and CP3.
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    I'm neither a Kobe nor a Lebron fan but Lebron is the guy who is the better and the greater player of the two. Still Jordan is the greatest of all but the number of rings shouldn't really matter because by that logic Bill Russell is the GOAT and not Michael. 11>6, you know.

    A lot of people might question Lebron's career choices or his mentality but I will always choose him and not Kobe if I have to build a franchise around someone . Lebron's athletic abilities, his efficiency on offense and defense, the fact that he is a much better all around player than Kobe is what makes him the most dominant player of the last 10 years. As for Kobe, he is not even the greatest Laker, let alone the GOAT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tevfik1907 View Post
    Right, I think that's why people blame him for starting the 'super team' thing.



    He started it, not KD. This is just a hypocrisy if you're going to blame KD for joining to the GSW.

    And don't even mention about how weak Cavs were, Dallas team had a much weaker roster against Miami and they still won the 2011. Detroit won the 2004 with a lesser roster than the Lakers. Lebron started the super team because he was afraid to not win a championship so he had to leave the Cavs and played with D-Wade, Chris Bosh in Miami which is a super team.



    Yes, and you throw out names like Kawhi and Anteto, and I said other names like KD and CP3.
    Literally none of what you just said is true. Dallas and Detroit were STACKED teams with multiple superstars or former superstars. Hamilton was in his prime whereas Wade was a ballhog who was way past his by 2012. Like what are you even talking about?

    KD had a super team built around him and couldn't win. LeBron didn't join a super team. He WAS the super team.

    Also, the first super team formed via free agency was the Magic. It just didn't work out due to injuries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaliH View Post
    I'm neither a Kobe nor a Lebron fan but Lebron is the guy who is the better and the greater player of the two. Still Jordan is the greatest of all but the number of rings shouldn't really matter because by that logic Bill Russell is the GOAT and not Michael. 11>6, you know.

    A lot of people might question Lebron's career choices or his mentality but I will always choose him and not Kobe if I have to build a franchise around someone . Lebron's athletic abilities, his efficiency on offense and defense, the fact that he is a much better all around player than Kobe is what makes him the most dominant player of the last 10 years. As for Kobe, he is not even the greatest Laker, let alone the GOAT.
    Nope, people don't count Russell... NBA wasn't as popular as today when they were playing. They are taking it from the time when Magic Johnson and Larry Bird started it the real competition and made NBA a much better place and much more interesting.

    Quote Originally Posted by CHBB View Post
    Literally none of what you just said is true. Dallas and Detroit were STACKED teams with multiple superstars or former superstars. Hamilton was in his prime whereas Wade was a ballhog who was way past his by 2012. Like what are you even talking about?

    KD had a super team built around him and couldn't win. LeBron didn't join a super team. He WAS the super team.

    Also, the first super team formed via free agency was the Magic. It just didn't work out due to injuries.
    Hamilton was a ''superstar'' ? Nice joke. If LeBron was the super team, then he could at least do the same thing that Nowitzki and Billups did with their limited teams, but he failed to do that and swept by San Antonio in the finals, and then he left Cavs when he understands that he isn't going to win any championship without the help of the ''real superstars'' like Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh, and then he came to Miami and won two championships thanks to that team. And then he returned to the Cavs after securing two championships and won the 2016 with the help of Kyrie's legendary performance + clutch shot in the game 7. Nothing special or any comparable thing to what Jordan did with Bulls, and it's not even better than Kobe's 5 championships with Lakers.
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    Actually NBA basketball really exploded in popularity during the Turkoglu/ Okur era as opposed to Magic and Bird.
    Everyone knows that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tevfik1907 View Post
    Nope, people don't count Russell... NBA wasn't as popular as today when they were playing. They are taking it from the time when Magic Johnson and Larry Bird started it the real competition and made NBA a much better place and much more interesting.



    Hamilton was a ''superstar'' ? Nice joke. If LeBron was the super team, then he could at least do the same thing that Nowitzki and Billups did with their limited teams, but he failed to do that and swept by San Antonio in the finals, and then he left Cavs when he understands that he isn't going to win any championship without the help of the ''real superstars'' like Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh, and then he came to Miami and won two championships thanks to that team. And then he returned to the Cavs after securing two championships and won the 2016 with the help of Kyrie's legendary performance + clutch shot in the game 7. Nothing special or any comparable thing to what Jordan did with Bulls, and it's not even better than Kobe's 5 championships with Lakers.
    You clearly didn't watch the NBA until LeBron's Miami days or something. Like you are so unbelievably off it's not even funny. Rip was one of the most efficient shooting guards ever and one of the best of his time by far. None of those teams you mention were limited.

    Kyrie's legendary performance? Thanks for the laugh. Kyrie was atrocious with the exception of one game, and his ballhogging and missing shot after shot was the entire reason he had to make that ONE shot in the first place. He almost cost them the championship and succeeded in doing so this time around.

    You're such a LeBron hater that it's sad. Unfortunately for you, I've watched the NBA since like 92 or 93. Your revisionist history falls on deaf ears.

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