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    Quote Originally Posted by mojo13 View Post
    Olympiacos fans - can you provide feedback on how Kyle Wiltjer is playing so far? From the boxscores, he doesn't seem to be doing much of anything, but his minutes played seems to be creeping up slowly to about 12-14 a game. Is this a slow methodical integration for him to learn the system before he gets a "green light" in the offense. His value is clearly on the offensive end (especially 3pt shooting) and it seem strange at this point to see him play 12-14 minutes without even a 3pt attempt.

    I questioned if he could manage on the defensive end in EuroLeague - how bad (or maybe not bad) is it so far?
    Basically he's playing more minutes because Papapetrou and Agravanis are injured, as well as Printezis at the moment. That leaves only him in the PF rotation and I think he will take more attempts under these circumstances but his minutes are not going to increase dramatically under Sfairopoulos.

    Although it looks like he needs time to adapt in Euro basketball.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mojo13 View Post
    Olympiacos fans - can you provide feedback on how Kyle Wiltjer is playing so far? From the boxscores, he doesn't seem to be doing much of anything, but his minutes played seems to be creeping up slowly to about 12-14 a game. Is this a slow methodical integration for him to learn the system before he gets a "green light" in the offense. His value is clearly on the offensive end (especially 3pt shooting) and it seem strange at this point to see him play 12-14 minutes without even a 3pt attempt.

    I questioned if he could manage on the defensive end in EuroLeague - how bad (or maybe not bad) is it so far?
    It's true he hasn't got many minutes (or shots which on paper is his strong point) but he generally seems like a weak add so far.
    It's hard to believe he's 25, physically he wouldn't look out of place in a youth tournament. He's slow so that teams go to 1-4 pick and roll when he's in and he's quite weak defending at the post.
    Even in the greek league against weaker teams he hasn't shown much.

    If he could create his shot it would be something but so far he's mostly just waiting around the arc. Even if he got more shots and started hitting them, without more tools in offence or a better defensive presence it'll be hard to get more minutes.
    There are many injuries in his position though so at least in the next few games he should get more chances to show whether he can contribute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oly_fan View Post
    It's true he hasn't got many minutes (or shots which on paper is his strong point) but he generally seems like a weak add so far.
    It's hard to believe he's 25, physically he wouldn't look out of place in a youth tournament. He's slow so that teams go to 1-4 pick and roll when he's in and he's quite weak defending at the post.
    Even in the greek league against weaker teams he hasn't shown much.

    If he could create his shot it would be something but so far he's mostly just waiting around the arc. Even if he got more shots and started hitting them, without more tools in offence or a better defensive presence it'll be hard to get more minutes.
    There are many injuries in his position though so at least in the next few games he should get more chances to show whether he can contribute.
    I have watched him for years in the NCAA. His 3pt shooting is a known skills - that should translate, but has the tools to score in the paint as well. He has good post up moves, great hands, soft touch, good passing instincts and even a fairly good old-school sky hook we'd see from time to time (I don't know how effective it was, but it was sure fun to see). However last year with the Rockets they seemed to want nothing to do with him inside the paint and asked him to stay out on the perimeter to be a catch and shoot 3pt specialist. Maybe he has been conditioned already that this is his role as a professional. I am not sure if his inside game is good enough to be usable in the EuroLeague, but it was near elite in in the NCAA.

    He has always looked slow, weak, wooden and a liability on defense. But not as horrible a rebounder and paint defender as he initially looks. He is a fairly high IQ player as well.

    I didn't think he had much of a shot at the NBA, even as a very unique, very limited role player. In the NBA I don't see how they wouldn't PnR him to death every chance they got.

    I was hoping he'd at least be able to show an excellent offensive game in Europe. He was very good during his time in the G-League last year, but it is always difficult to know what level that can translate to.

    Hopefully he can carve out a meaningful role for Oly. I think it is in him, but I questioned if he should have started with a lower level team to get a feel for the game first.

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    well, even thompson who is a much better player seems to suffer, yesterday he was awful, roberts isn't so brilliant too till now. Wiltjer is the last of the problems, in my opinion the priority is to integrate the other two.

    sferopoulos has been able till now to obtain the 110% of the european player's potential and therefore he has reached an excellent euroleague record, but americans don't seem to be fully integrated. Nothing new, the same story takes place almost every year.
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    I don't think Sfairopoulos is a good offensive coach but what exactly is he doing that's making Strelnieks' shots go in and Thompson's shots go out?

    It's not like Thompson is asked to shoot bailout 3s. He should be doing better with the looks he's getting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojo13 View Post
    Olympiacos fans - can you provide feedback on how Kyle Wiltjer is playing so far? From the boxscores, he doesn't seem to be doing much of anything, but his minutes played seems to be creeping up slowly to about 12-14 a game. Is this a slow methodical integration for him to learn the system before he gets a "green light" in the offense. His value is clearly on the offensive end (especially 3pt shooting) and it seem strange at this point to see him play 12-14 minutes without even a 3pt attempt.

    I questioned if he could manage on the defensive end in EuroLeague - how bad (or maybe not bad) is it so far?
    Very bad so far, in both ends. In Euroleague he has 0/4 3pt attempts and his aggregate PIR is negative. Stupid fouling in defense, not enough confidence in offense. But it is not surprising for his first games in Europe and the fans don't judge him harshly. I don't have many expectations for him, but I would like to see him shoot better. Like others have said, even NBAers like Roberts and Thompson are underperforming so I don't really blame him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buxtehude View Post
    Very bad so far, in both ends. In Euroleague he has 0/4 3pt attempts and his aggregate PIR is negative. Stupid fouling in defense, not enough confidence in offense. But it is not surprising for his first games in Europe and the fans don't judge him harshly. I don't have many expectations for him, but I would like to see him shoot better. Like others have said, even NBAers like Roberts and Thompson are underperforming so I don't really blame him.
    And....Kyle Wiltjer is starting today against CSKA? Any of you see that coming? I am curious to hear all your thoughts on how this happened and how he played (are the injuries at PF that bad?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojo13 View Post
    And....Kyle Wiltjer is starting today against CSKA? Any of you see that coming? I am curious to hear all your thoughts on how this happened and how he played (are the injuries at PF that bad?)
    Wiltjer is the only power forward standing, Papapetrou, a sf, will get the rest of the minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojo13 View Post
    And....Kyle Wiltjer is starting today against CSKA? Any of you see that coming? I am curious to hear all your thoughts on how this happened and how he played (are the injuries at PF that bad?)
    Printezis, Tillie and Agravanis are all injured atm. Other than that he did ok and hit some good shots. Work needs to be done on defence though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R1ou View Post
    Printezis, Tillie and Agravanis are all injured atm. Other than that he did ok and hit some good shots. Work needs to be done on defence though.
    I think his contribution is positive right now.

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    Oly lost the national cup today, a triumph for AEK.

    A horrible game played by almost every player but the worst one was the coach, Mr Sferopoulos. He left Spanoulis play almost the entire game giving him total freedom to "create", the result was a complete disaster, he played well the first half but in the second one he insisted in keeping the ball a lot of time and trying to solve the game by himself, irritating everyone Oly's players included.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronmercer80 View Post
    Oly lost the national cup today, a triumph for AEK.

    A horrible game played by almost every player but the worst one was the coach, Mr Sferopoulos. He left Spanoulis play almost the entire game giving him total freedom to "create", the result was a complete disaster, he played well the first half but in the second one he insisted in keeping the ball a lot of time and trying to solve the game by himself, irritating everyone Oly's players included.
    Just wow. Please, go watch some other sport. Winter Olympics are on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronmercer80 View Post
    Oly lost the national cup today, a triumph for AEK.

    A horrible game played by almost every player but the worst one was the coach, Mr Sferopoulos. He left Spanoulis play almost the entire game giving him total freedom to "create", the result was a complete disaster, he played well the first half but in the second one he insisted in keeping the ball a lot of time and trying to solve the game by himself, irritating everyone Oly's players included.
    I disagree. Oly are carrying a lot of dead wood in Thompson, Roberts, Mantzaris, Papapetrou. If it wasn't for Spanoulis it would have been a 15 point blowout.

    Wiltjer conceded 5 points and commited 3 fouls in 1:36. It must be some sort of world record.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EverGreen View Post
    I disagree. Oly are carrying a lot of dead wood in Thompson, Roberts, Mantzaris, Papapetrou. If it wasn't for Spanoulis it would have been a 15 point blowout.
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    Wiltjer conceded 5 points and commited 3 fouls in 1:36. It must be some sort of world record.
    every not European player becomes useless with this coach. He remains a great coach but only with europeans. Roberts started the season quite well but it is evident that he has lost confidence.

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    Spanoulis reminds me of DD in the last seasons of his career. He does have some good games in him but overall he is a weight for the team. Oly needs a rebuild and old relics like DD, Span, Navarro can only delayed the procedure. Sad to speak like that for such great players but it's a sad true.
    He was very good against AEK but some occasional and rare good performances don't prove that he is rather a solution than a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adon View Post
    Spanoulis reminds me of DD in the last seasons of his career. He does have some good games in him but overall he is a weight for the team. Oly needs a rebuild and old relics like DD, Span, Navarro can only delayed the procedure. Sad to speak like that for such great players but it's a sad true.
    He was very good against AEK but some occasional and rare good performances don't prove that he is rather a solution than a problem.
    true, his actual play strongly reminds to me Nick Galis.

    A fantastic player but during his last years he had become a problem, he used to keep the ball a lot as Spanoulis actually does, slowing the attack, and obviously his defense was inexistent.

    If I remember well the first year after he stopped playing (or the second one) Pana won the European title. With him they had always failed this target.
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    Spanoulis was awful against AEK-->Well, maybe he was ok-->Well, he was very good but he needs to retire anyway.

    Get a life, people.

    McColum, one of the most 'american' americans in Europe made his name under Sfairopoulos.
    So did Pappas, probably the most 'american' European.

    There were doubts Strelnieks, a typical 'european' would fit in Sfairopoulos' offence which is much more basic than Trinchieri's but he did and he even took up point guard duties without being one.
    Because he's not terrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oly_fan View Post
    Spanoulis was awful against AEK-->Well, maybe he was ok-->Well, he was very good but he needs to retire anyway.

    Get a life, people.
    Being a Span's Worshiper is the only life worth living, right?
    Denial has never solved any problem. Then again, perhaps you don't see any problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adon View Post
    Being a Span's Worshiper is the only life worth living, right?
    Denial has never solved any problem. Then again, perhaps you don't see any problem.
    We're just one win ahead of you -admittedly with an easier schedule ahead of us but still- when we should be up by at least ten.
    That's a huge problem and I do see it, but maybe I have different ideas on how to solve it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oly_fan View Post
    We're just one win ahead of you -admittedly with an easier schedule ahead of us but still- when we should be up by at least ten.
    That's a huge problem and I do see it, but maybe I have different ideas on how to solve it.
    Perhaps you are the single oly fan who can see only this particular problem and nothing else.
    Do you want me to repeat here what the regular oly fans write about your team in every sport site in Greece after the loss of the cup? Your fans want the replacement of Sferopoulos. PAO fans want him to stay in OLY for ever

    Get real.

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