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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy M View Post
    Not yet, no doubt.
    But with Walters and Patterson (when and if...), maybe after the off-season a Center, it will be much better
    Sorry, it doesn't help that much. Israel players look not on EL level, and americans are OK, but they not Weems, Goudelock or similar to that. Maybe I am optimistic, but after we will add Swing, Žalgiris will have a better squad. Not on the paper, but we will have balanced roster, we will have 2 different PG, shooters at SG, finally 2 SF, that can defend and do a good job on D, very decent PF and scoring threat at C- Davies and Kavaliauskas. Your roster looks unbalanced, full of individual players, not team. Around Bolden, Tyus and Roll, you need a floor general. We have our Micič, you have Jackson... He is just selfish player, that doesn't play any D.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metec View Post
    I'm in shock!

    I was expecting to finally agree with Maccabeo in the pre season, but I guess it won't happen this year either.
    In my opinion, Maccabi suffered a great financial damage last season and this year they trying to win back some ot the money. It feels (I don't have the actual numbers) that current budget is way way way lower than last season, I'm speaking about 30-40-50 percent lower at current point of time.

    I feel like Maccabi do not even try to compete in EL level, and just builds a strong squad for the Israeli league by occupieng proven Israeli league players such as Tyus, Bortolomeo, Mashur, Cohen, all of them are proven on domestic level and all of them can play as Israelis (Sadly this season the amount of players in the Golden state warriors that speak hebrew as the first language will be the same as in Maccabi).

    On EL level, I do not believe in this team, and it would be a tremendous surprise to see them in TOP 8. Most of the foriegn players are not EL level, while in the previous years we get used to see players chossing Maccabi over tier-3 teams in EL, this year it feels like most of the squad could have landed in a different Israeli team (Which have like 10-20% of Maccabi budget).

    If this is the final squad I think Maccabi would be 12-16, to compete for the 8 spot they need two more high class players, another high quality guard and a big man.
    first of all somebody will write u are a troll ,pay attention
    u are right. mta is a low budget team. said that we have imo a very good coach . palyers like roll and diba are for me excellent even if they are cheap. there are two way of spending low budget: 1 adding bad players, mainly with rude hands ,or adding players searching for smooth hands. thats a big diffrerent from the past. boldan is a very good player too. we must hope on jackson.he is the real key f the season. sure mashur is a player we cant say anything of, at certain level, as i think cohen is an undervaluate player. let me wait for a couple of player named by spahija and we ll see later. sure , owners,as i mwriting since long years, are simply living on our licence a. their goal is simply to partecipate euroleage. this year ,even with such a low budget ,they gave a white paper to a good coach. to arrive 7 or 8th it could be enough this team when it ill be completed. dont forget something that all of u misconder. is first time mta will be an all-shooter team with many pure shooters. this is much much important actually in europe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metec View Post
    I'm in shock!

    I was expecting to finally agree with Maccabeo in the pre season, but I guess it won't happen this year either.
    In my opinion, Maccabi suffered a great financial damage last season and this year they trying to win back some ot the money. It feels (I don't have the actual numbers) that current budget is way way way lower than last season, I'm speaking about 30-40-50 percent lower at current point of time.

    I feel like Maccabi do not even try to compete in EL level, and just builds a strong squad for the Israeli league by occupieng proven Israeli league players such as Tyus, Bortolomeo, Mashur, Cohen, all of them are proven on domestic level and all of them can play as Israelis (Sadly this season the amount of players in the Golden state warriors that speak hebrew as the first language will be the same as in Maccabi).

    On EL level, I do not believe in this team, and it would be a tremendous surprise to see them in TOP 8. Most of the foriegn players are not EL level, while in the previous years we get used to see players chossing Maccabi over tier-3 teams in EL, this year it feels like most of the squad could have landed in a different Israeli team (Which have like 10-20% of Maccabi budget).

    If this is the final squad I think Maccabi would be 12-16, to compete for the 8 spot they need two more high class players, another high quality guard and a big man.
    I don't agree, I think that this team is much more balanced than the previous one. Moreover last year the season prospects were highly compromised by Edelstein during the preseason. The players showed an infamous plysical condition, they couldn't run, press, jump. All this will change now (I hope).

    Perhaps the actual team is less talented, but talent doesn't help at all if you don't work, you take drugs, you are not ambitious, you don't care at all if your team wins or loses, you stay awake in night clubs. All things which really happened last year.

    Next Euroleague doesn't seem to be stronger than the previous one. Last season Red star was very close to the 8th place, even Zalgiris competed for it, can we consider the actual Maccabi inferior to Red star? Qualification is possible if the team's mentality changes radically (as it seems to me but we need proofs).
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    Next year we will compete with the teams of places 13-16.
    We have a lot of players with bad defence. Players with offensive mind are not the players that know how to fight.
    There is zero continuity from previous season which is probably the biggest mistake. Players like Ohayon/Iverson are better than some of the new gambles.
    We have not got a real solution to the time when Jackson or Tyus will be inured, and believe me, one of them will.
    We don't have any proven "winner" in this team.
    Last year the 4 worse teams in the Euroleague, beside Maccabi, were Milano, Kazan, Bamberg and Galatasaray. Take a look at their rosters, now take randomly a few players from each team and build a new team. This is how Maccabi looks like, only in Maccabi it's the first time the players play with each other.
    Unless signing 3 more really good proven players, I don't think next season will make us fans happy.

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    Kane official, Spahjia says that he considers him a very good backup for 1-2 positions. I hope he is right, he is described as a mediocre shooter but also as a tough defender and excellent rebounder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronmercer80 View Post
    Kane official, Spahjia says that he considers him a very good backup for 1-2 positions. I hope he is right, he is described as a mediocre shooter but also as a tough defender and excellent rebounder.
    a dramatic shooter. doesnt matter anything else
    we could find good defensive player with better shooting ability

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    if Jordan McRae and diamon simpson will sign with maccabi, the roster will like official like this :
    1 jackson kane
    2 McRea dibartolomeo zoosman
    3 thomas roll mashour
    4 bolden cohen
    5 tyus simpson segev

    very intersting roster

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    Quote Originally Posted by arelg View Post
    if Jordan McRae and diamon simpson will sign with maccabi, the roster will like official like this :
    1 jackson kane
    2 McRea dibartolomeo zoosman
    3 thomas roll mashour
    4 bolden cohen
    5 tyus simpson segev

    very intersting roster
    I mean, McRea is a big threat scoring wise, question is his defense, because in this roster only tyus is a good defender. Simson is decent, maybe roll and DiB are there, but thats it. Perimeter will suffer. Yeah, your team can score, but there are no creators for those players that can score. You have way to much selfish players-Jackson, Kane, Thomas, even McRea. You can forget about chemistry :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZalgirisFanForLife View Post
    I mean, McRea is a big threat scoring wise, question is his defense, because in this roster only tyus is a good defender. Simson is decent, maybe roll and DiB are there, but thats it. Perimeter will suffer. Yeah, your team can score, but there are no creators for those players that can score. You have way to much selfish players-Jackson, Kane, Thomas, even McRea. You can forget about chemistry :/
    Thomas isn't a selfish player at all, he was selfish only last season in Anadolu, before that he didn't took so much shots and 3 pointers. It is true that Jackson controll the game, and he will be the powerhouse next season, he have a hogh amount of assits too (almost 8 per game).
    Kane is just replacement for jackson, Jackson starting pg and kane second pg, they won't play together. And McRea. I think ho will be good in this roster, he is the starting sg.
    And about defense, Kane is agressive defender, Tyus and Simpson are great blockers and defenders, and like you said, still we have players that can defende so after all I'm quite optimic about next season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arelg View Post
    if Jordan McRae and diamon simpson will sign with maccabi, the roster will like official like this :
    1 jackson kane
    2 McRea dibartolomeo zoosman
    3 thomas roll mashour
    4 bolden cohen
    5 tyus simpson segev

    very intersting roster
    players who spahjia will considery the starting 5 and 25 min players , it will says everything of our future
    mcrea dibartolomeo roll bolden must be absolutely stay on court 25 min. if thomas will play more than roll and diba will play less than 20 min for example, spahjia would be guilthy of a mediocre season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arelg View Post
    if Jordan McRae and diamon simpson will sign with maccabi, the roster will like official like this :
    1 jackson kane
    2 McRea dibartolomeo zoosman
    3 thomas roll mashour
    4 bolden cohen
    5 tyus simpson segev

    very intersting roster
    Can't even reach FIBA Champions League Final-Four. If you can win more than 5 games this season, you may count Spahija succesful...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Black.Mamba View Post
    Can't even reach FIBA Champions League Final-Four. If you can win more than 5 games this season, you may count Spahija succesful...
    You are so wrong.
    We all saw what happend last season when macccabi singed "Star" selfish players that ruined maccabi and the season, and I talk about Sony Weems, Maik Zirbes, etc.
    At least now maccabi bring young players that want to prove themself in Euroleague, this roster is way balanced then the last season one, sorry to tell you but if you looking the roster only on the paper you know nothing about basketball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EuroMan View Post
    You are so wrong.
    We all saw what happend last season when macccabi singed "Star" selfish players that ruined maccabi and the season, and I talk about Sony Weems, Maik Zirbes, etc.
    At least now maccabi bring young players that want to prove themself in Euroleague, this roster is way balanced then the last season one, sorry to tell you but if you looking the roster only on the paper you know nothing about basketball.
    I agree. But the point is another one, I am strongly convinced that the methods and willingness of training and learning are much more important than the roster itself.

    Last year Olympiakos had Hackett injured, Lojeski injured, Waters (USA guard) inexistent, P. Young so and so, he never reached his 100% after his injury.

    Despite all these problems with their foreign players they reached the final. A miracle? Fortune? Sfairopoulos a tactical genius? No, there was much more than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronmercer80 View Post
    I agree. But the point is another one, I am strongly convinced that the methods and willingness of training and learning are much more important than the roster itself.

    Last year Olympiakos had Hackett injured, Lojeski injured, Waters (USA guard) inexistent, P. Young so and so, he never reached his 100% after his injury.

    Despite all these problems with their foreign players they reached the final. A miracle? Fortune? Sfairopoulos a tactical genius? No, there was much more than that.
    I definitely agree with you, I think that maccabi roster maybe don't look so strong on the paper, but the players can connect each other and play fast and good basketball, don't like last season that every player took the ball to 1 on 1 and they didn't played together.
    And i'm counting on spahija in this one, I hope he will connect the roster strongly, in this case next season should be far better then the last one, but it's too early to say and we need to wait and see what next season will offer to us.

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    Long time no see fellas (although I'm discussing hoops with some of you elsewhere, probably).

    I'd say Maccabi's on the right track. We do lack two major signings but if our management will decide to cash in and bring two NBA caliber players at the 2/3 and 4/5 spots, we might have an actual chance to contend this year.
    Jordan McRae might be one of the most prolific scorers in this continent, besides being an excellent defensive potential on the side of it. Hopefully we will be able to lock this guy in our roster and our back court will be good to go.

    Our front court on the other hand, lacks some interior force to mesh the whole group together. Tyus is a quality veteran, Bolden has tremendous potential, and Thomas could become a solid backup forward who will bring scoring punch off the bench.
    Having said that, non of the above is a go-to-guy in the post, or any kind of reliable scoring option. We need a guy who can provide some steadiness against any rival, that will produce scoring and rebounding first and foremost.
    I think that another hustle type of guy is completely obsolete and Maccabi should aim for talented big man who can be the core of its inside game.

    I believe Spahija will try to play as fast as possible, and a guy who's quick in transition and can provide some post and outside scoring will open up the entire game for everybody.
    Scorers like Jackson and McRae will thrive in such system, as well as Bolden who will love to fill the lanes, get lobs or knock down open 3's. Our role players will fit this system too.
    But, without having a reliable guy inside the paint, the whole system will have to rely heavily on our guards one-on-one skills, a problem which was one of our biggest in the last two seasons.

    So, to become a true contender, I believe that Maccabi should aim high and bring in an NBA caliber talent at the 5 spot.
    I'd love to see a guy one of the three: D-Mo, Jared Sullinger or Adreian Payne.
    The truth is they're not the best defenders, but in terms of offensive skills- each and every one of them could fill the needs of the team on the inside.

    Our team's DNA is high-paced offensive game, and I'd love to see us bring it back to life this year.

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    thinking of players like kane thomas tyus i think spahjia obtained to repleace all roster (gould too?), but, about new players, i think club gave him just some opportunities. i guess he choose just few o them. one of them he probably didint choose like diba, is a great players, somebody like kane and thomas are really bad adds

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Aztec Eggplant View Post
    Long time no see fellas (although I'm discussing hoops with some of you elsewhere, probably).

    I'd say Maccabi's on the right track. We do lack two major signings but if our management will decide to cash in and bring two NBA caliber players at the 2/3 and 4/5 spots, we might have an actual chance to contend this year.
    Jordan McRae might be one of the most prolific scorers in this continent, besides being an excellent defensive potential on the side of it. Hopefully we will be able to lock this guy in our roster and our back court will be good to go.

    Our front court on the other hand, lacks some interior force to mesh the whole group together. Tyus is a quality veteran, Bolden has tremendous potential, and Thomas could become a solid backup forward who will bring scoring punch off the bench.
    Having said that, non of the above is a go-to-guy in the post, or any kind of reliable scoring option. We need a guy who can provide some steadiness against any rival, that will produce scoring and rebounding first and foremost.
    I think that another hustle type of guy is completely obsolete and Maccabi should aim for talented big man who can be the core of its inside game.

    I believe Spahija will try to play as fast as possible, and a guy who's quick in transition and can provide some post and outside scoring will open up the entire game for everybody.
    Scorers like Jackson and McRae will thrive in such system, as well as Bolden who will love to fill the lanes, get lobs or knock down open 3's. Our role players will fit this system too.
    But, without having a reliable guy inside the paint, the whole system will have to rely heavily on our guards one-on-one skills, a problem which was one of our biggest in the last two seasons.

    So, to become a true contender, I believe that Maccabi should aim high and bring in an NBA caliber talent at the 5 spot.
    I'd love to see a guy one of the three: D-Mo, Jared Sullinger or Adreian Payne.
    The truth is they're not the best defenders, but in terms of offensive skills- each and every one of them could fill the needs of the team on the inside.

    Our team's DNA is high-paced offensive game, and I'd love to see us bring it back to life this year.
    I don't think the team will sign other players before clarifying the situation with Smith and Zirbes. Both of them are still under contract if I am not wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronmercer80 View Post
    I don't think the team will sign other players before clarifying the situation with Smith and Zirbes. Both of them are still under contract if I am not wrong.
    Mike's officialy out, Bayern's bought his contract and he'll be playing for them next season as well.

    Devin is another story.
    According to Shimon Mizrachi, he is yet to be released, but I see a slight chance the club is just waiting to see if he will be able to complete his physicals.
    I see a solid chance he won't be able to complete them and will be released without even paying him. Anyhow, he won't be playing for Maccabi.

    I love the signings of JohnD (League's MVP and a good 3&D guard off the bench) and Kane (Cheap with some elite NCAA experience playing the Point for Fred Hoiberg at Iowa State), same case with Thomas (NCAA Final Four with Ohio State).
    Of Course, Tyus is a no brainer, being the veteran he is and the best Israeli player on the market.

    Now, we have to add those two important players, and Maccabi will be on the verge of contention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Aztec Eggplant View Post
    Mike's officialy out, Bayern's bought his contract and he'll be playing for them next season as well.

    Devin is another story.
    According to Shimon Mizrachi, he is yet to be released, but I see a slight chance the club is just waiting to see if he will be able to complete his physicals.
    I see a solid chance he won't be able to complete them and will be released without even paying him. Anyhow, he won't be playing for Maccabi.

    I love the signings of JohnD (League's MVP and a good 3&D guard off the bench) and Kane (Cheap with some elite NCAA experience playing the Point for Fred Hoiberg at Iowa State), same case with Thomas (NCAA Final Four with Ohio State).
    Of Course, Tyus is a no brainer, being the veteran he is and the best Israeli player on the market.

    Now, we have to add those two important players, and Maccabi will be on the verge of contention.
    oh yes if we ll add two more good players it will be another story. actually , despite some very good adds, to get playoffs we must win al maket bet we have done like thomas and jackson for example. kane is a non-player. i guess he was add just because so cheap. n.1,2,3,4 starting five position are ok to get 7th-8th place, but u cant play woth 4-5 players. last but not least: will spahjia give diba all time he needs ? this is very important for us.considering moviments on market it sounds like he is considered a bench player for spahija. big error .he is our star

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    Quote Originally Posted by arelg View Post
    if Jordan McRae and diamon simpson will sign with maccabi, the roster will like official like this :
    1 jackson kane
    2 McRea dibartolomeo zoosman
    3 thomas roll mashour
    4 bolden cohen
    5 tyus simpson segev

    very intersting roster
    Zoosman play at shooting guard?

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