Euroleague clubs - domestic players' contribution

[thegreekmeister]

List by points scored by local players:

1. Belgrado „Crvena Zvezda“ – 76 proc.
2. Kauno „Žalgiris“ – 58,5 proc.
3. Pirėjo „Olympiacos“ – 53,3 proc.
4–5. Maskvos CSKA – 32,4 proc.
4–5. Atėnų „Panathinaikos“ – 32,4 proc.
6. Madrido „Real“ – 30,2 proc.
7. Tel Avivo „Maccabi“ – 24,8 proc.
8. Bambergo „Brose Bamberg“ – 24,6 proc.
9. Stambulo „Galatasaray“ – 23,8 proc.
10. Milano „Emporio Armani“ – 21 proc.
11. Kazanės „Unics“ – 16,5 proc.
12. Barselonos „Barcelona Lassa“ – 12,2 proc.
13. Stambulo „Anadolu Efes“ – 11,5 proc.
14. Stambulo „Daruššafaka“ – 8,4 proc.
15. Vitorijos „Baskonia“ – 4,9 proc.
16. Stambulo „Fenerbahce“ – 4,9 proc.

Numbers may be even lower, depending on how they counted players with double citizenships.
Not even mentioning immigrants who has citizenship, but can hardly be called local.

[Efesdxb]

List by points scored by local players:

1. Belgrado „Crvena Zvezda“ – 76 proc.
2. Kauno „Žalgiris“ – 58,5 proc.
3. Pirėjo „Olympiacos“ – 53,3 proc.
4–5. Maskvos CSKA – 32,4 proc.
4–5. Atėnų „Panathinaikos“ – 32,4 proc.
6. Madrido „Real“ – 30,2 proc.
7. Tel Avivo „Maccabi“ – 24,8 proc.
8. Bambergo „Brose Bamberg“ – 24,6 proc.
9. Stambulo „Galatasaray“ – 23,8 proc.
10. Milano „Emporio Armani“ – 21 proc.
11. Kazanės „Unics“ – 16,5 proc.
12. Barselonos „Barcelona Lassa“ – 12,2 proc.
13. Stambulo „Anadolu Efes“ – 11,5 proc.
14. Stambulo „Daruššafaka“ – 8,4 proc.
15. Vitorijos „Baskonia“ – 4,9 proc.
16. Stambulo „Fenerbahce“ – 4,9 proc.

Numbers may be even lower, depending on how they counted players with double citizenships.
Not even mentioning immigrants who has citizenship, but can hardly be called local.

I don't know how you can reach to a conclusion of respectable/admirable club by scoring points?
I would understand to an extent if you look playing time, but score is irrelevant.
Such as from my club, we made better after Dogus Balbay moved to starting line up, but he is terrible in offense but huge impact on other aspects of the game...

[thegreekmeister]

I don't know how you can reach to a conclusion of respectable/admirable club by scoring points?
I would understand to an extent if you look playing time, but score is irrelevant.
Such as from my club, we made better after Dogus Balbay moved to starting line up, but he is terrible in offense but huge impact on other aspects of the game...

I agree that points is not the only thing that can be brought by local players. Maybe it would be more accurate to count EFF. rating by local players. However points list it still shows pretty accurate picture and list by EFF rating would not be majorly different.

[vivo]

I don't give any f*** if someone thinks my team is not respectable because Turkish basketball players are generally bad, and Turkish teams still couldn't find a way to change that.

Oh wait, I give a f***. It makes me think one who claims this bullshit is into some substances.

[Adon]

I don't give any f*** if someone thinks my team is not respectable because Turkish basketball players are generally bad, and Turkish teams still couldn't find a way to change that.

Oh wait, I give a f***. It makes me think one who claims this bullshit is into some substances.

Why did you get so angry? It's just some statistical data. Almost all bb fans like the stats.
Fener is in the last position according to that index. So what?

[thegreekmeister]

I don't give any f*** if someone thinks my team is not respectable because Turkish basketball players are generally bad, and Turkish teams still couldn't find a way to change that.

Oh wait, I give a f***. It makes me think one who claims this bullshit is into some substances.

It depends on ones values.
Some people value national character of their club.
Some people value the strength only and they could not care less if all 12 were foreigners.
To each their own.

[Johnny7]

Very nice list.

Haha who's last?

[janketa]

Very nice list.

Haha who's last?

Baskonia

[vivo]

Why did you get so angry? It's just some statistical data. Almost all bb fans like the stats.
Fener is in the last position according to that index. So what?

I am a human before being a Turkish, so I despise nationalism when it is in the expense of common sense, rationalism, human rights etc. I despise it more when people focus on nationality and associate it with respectability etc. Such a stupid header to a topic. If it were something like "number of domestic players in teams", I would still find trivial but wouldn't bother to reply.

Edit: I see the header has changed. It was something about respectability

[vivo]

It depends on ones values.
Some people value national character of their club.
Some people value the strength only and they could not care less if all 12 were foreigners.
To each their own.

I replied to Adon about this.

[Adon]

I am a human before being a Turkish, so I despise nationalism when it is in the expense of common sense, rationalism, human rights etc. I despise it more when people focus on nationality and associate it with respectability etc. Such a stupid header to a topic. If it were something like "number of domestic players in teams", I would still find trivial but wouldn't bother to reply.

Edit: I see the header has changed. It was something about respectability

Agreed.
I didn't notice the header in the first place. It was inappropriate and (perhaps not intentionally) provocative.

Other than that, these stats are interesting.

[drzimtimiesto]

It doesnt make one team better than another. It just indicates where some national teams are going to. Serbs, Liths, Greeks have a lot of talent and their national teams will be competetive in upcoming 5-10 years at least. While turkish national team is going down year by year. One or two euroleague level players + few in the nba. Keeping in mind that Kanter wont play for the national team, iliasova is the only one who left.

[Cemalex]

Fener fans keep celebrating the title that is won at 3rd quarter.Oly fans can keep believing foolish David vs Goliath stories.

[R1ou]

Fener fans keep celebrating the title that is won at 3rd quarter.Oly fans can keep believing foolish David vs Goliath stories.

The most ridiculous part is that some Fener fans think that a title win by a 3 Serbs, 1 Greek, 1 Italian, 1 Czech and 4 Americans, coached again by a Serb makes this a Turkish basketball achievement

[ronmercer80]

The most ridiculous part is that Fener fans think that a title win by a 3 Serbs, 1 Greek, 1 Italian, 1 Czech and 4 Americans, coached again by a Serb makes this a Turkish basketball achievement

it is a fener basketball achievement and a as a consequence a Turkish win too. The players have been ingaged thanks to turkish property and financial growth, their supporters are Turkish people.

I still remember the moment when Inter won the champions league without any Italian players. Wasn't it a success for the team and the country too? Yes it was, almost everyone agreed to this.

[Tevfik1907]

The most ridiculous part is that Fener fans think that a title win by a 3 Serbs, 1 Greek, 1 Italian, 1 Czech and 4 Americans, coached again by a Serb makes this a Turkish basketball achievement

Is there any limit for foreign players ? Last time I check Euroleage didn't forbid any foreign players and Oly had a lot of foreign players in their roster as well. Pana had Ibrahim Kutluay in 2002 Euroleague championship on his starting five and he was the no.1 scorer of the Pana in the final, we never tried to belittle the greek basketball's achievement then, what you do now is a racist act.

It's a Turkish club with Turkish management and president, Turkish assistant coaches, Turkish managers and the Turkish supporters that filled the Ulker Arena and Sinan Erdem in every game, it's a Turkish basketball achievement.

And if you believe Antetokounmpo is a Greek basketball player, Bobby Dixon also is a Turkish basketball player.

it is a fener basketball achievement and a as a consequence a Turkish win too. The players have been ingaged thanks to turkish property and financial growth, their supporters are Turkish people.

I still remember the moment when Inter won the champions league without any Italian players. Wasn't it a success for the team and the country too? Yes it was, almost everyone agreed to this.

Fair enough.

[R1ou]

And if you believe Antetokounmpo is a Greek basketball player, Bobby Dixon also is a Turkish basketball player.

Fair enough.

http://www.interbasket.net/forums/sh...urkish-Players

Turkoglu, Batuk, Sipahi, Dixon, Turkcan, Okur, Kuqo, Preldizc etc etc

Enjoy.

[vivo]

The most ridiculous part is that some Fener fans think that a title win by a 3 Serbs, 1 Greek, 1 Italian, 1 Czech and 4 Americans, coached again by a Serb makes this a Turkish basketball achievement

If you think it doesn't count please contact Euroleague to fix this mistake because Fener fans are too busy not caring about nationalistic bullshit while celebrating those coach and players. Also... Wanna take a look at old Oly rosters that included half of all talented European and American players in Euroleague - just to fail spectacularly? What, it was learning experience?

[R1ou]

If you think it doesn't count please contact Euroleague to fix this mistake because Fener fans are too busy not caring about nationalistic bullshit while celebrating those coach and players. Also... Wanna take a look at old Oly rosters that included half of all talented European and American players in Euroleague - just to fail spectacularly? What, it was learning experience?

Nah he has been talking shit about Oly fans repeatedly the past days so I think it was a fair deal to reply. Although I shouldn't generalize, sorry.

[hopelives]

The most ridiculous part is that some Fener fans think that a title win by a 3 Serbs, 1 Greek, 1 Italian, 1 Czech and 4 Americans, coached again by a Serb makes this a Turkish basketball achievement

So we can easily ignore the titles in which Bodiroga and David Rivers played the main role, right?