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    Quote Originally Posted by CoachZ View Post
    Micic is committed to Efes, so I don't know about the rumors.

    Regarding Vasa:

    - He was hailed as a heir to Teodosic when he retires, when he was a youngster. He was phenomenal at age 18-19 already but then had two bad injuries that slowed down his progress, tearing his ACL once and MCL the other time.
    - He has an excellent size for PG spot and length. He uses it well to attack the basket and he is still quite athletic despite his injuries. He has also gotten stronger.
    - Excellent shooting stroke and technique, he is a standard 50% 37-8% 80+% guy.
    - He can create quite well, especially off of penetration. Still he needs to improve his PnR game. He had a great stride this year in Tofas in that regard, still he is not an elite PnR runner.
    - He needs to improve the consistency on defense. He has length and size to guard anyone but sometimes he disappears on defense and he gets lost.
    - Injury history is a bit of concern (same as Westerman actually).

    You can take a look at the video to see his game and prospect:
    Tnaks for the info. He was commited with Efes, but now Turkish and Lithuanian press are saying, that Žalgiris and Valencia has the best chancess to take Mičič with them. We can offer Mičič a bigger role, than Valencia, opportunitty to develope next to the Šaras and a decent payment, around 350k per year. He could defend PG/SG/SF positions, finish and shoot better than Westermann. We lose creativity, but not so much. We could live with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZalgirisFanForLife View Post
    Tnaks for the info. He was commited with Efes, but now Turkish and Lithuanian press are saying, that Žalgiris and Valencia has the best chancess to take Mičič with them. We can offer Mičič a bigger role, than Valencia, opportunitty to develope next to the Šaras and a decent payment, around 350k per year. He could defend PG/SG/SF positions, finish and shoot better than Westermann. We lose creativity, but not so much. We could live with it.
    I don't think you would lose, if at all in creativity. You would lose a bit in scoring potential. Vasa is a pure pass-first guy. He rarely takes over the game scoring, it's not his nature. Even though he has the tools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Svajunas View Post
    Well so far from the signings one can assume that Zalgiris does not aim to be much better next year. The aim is not to be worse. Probably issues with the budget will hold us back several years more.
    Žalgiris is getting better for sure. Why? We lacked athleticism, better scoring from guards, and switches on defence. Aaron White is good at defence on perimeter, he's very athletic, good(maybe very) at rebounding, worst from 3pt range, but you got to sacrifice something, because those players with ability to shoot earns around 1mil and play for CSKA or Fener Also, he is not the starter, only role player. Mičič would be great, if it's true, that he is good at finishing and shooting, than Leo. If Mičič comes, we will need SG/SF (athletic and good at scoring and defence) and C (good at defence, very good at rebounding, athletic).

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoachZ View Post
    I don't think you would lose, if at all in creativity. You would lose a bit in scoring potential. Vasa is a pure pass-first guy. He rarely takes over the game scoring, it's not his nature. Even though he has the tools.
    But everyone are sayng, that he is a very good finisher and a decent shooter. Leo was very bad at those two things, but he was great at passing and running PnR. If thats the case, not so happy now We needed a better finisher than Leo

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZalgirisFanForLife View Post
    But everyone are sayng, that he is a very good finisher and a decent shooter. Leo was very bad at those two things, but he was great at passing and running PnR. If thats the case, not so happy now We needed a better finisher than Leo
    He is better shooter and finisher than Leo. It's not an issue of skills. He has them. It's an issue of mentality. He is a team oriented guy that is a pass-first guy. He would much rather assist than score. That is the issue. Of course, that can be coached. If Saras wants him to attack and score, he can do it.

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    This year in Tofas he averaged:

    27 Minutes a game, 13.2 points a game, 2.6 rebounds a game and 4 assists per game. He did it on 56.3% shooting for 2 and 38.8% shooting for 3 and 82.9% from the FT line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoachZ View Post
    He is better shooter and finisher than Leo. It's not an issue of skills. He has them. It's an issue of mentality. He is a team oriented guy that is a pass-first guy. He would much rather assist than score. That is the issue. Of course, that can be coached. If Saras wants him to attack and score, he can do it.
    Thats great news Just got to wait and see what he decaids, but I can see, that we are the best opption for him, because:
    a) Šaras is the coach every PG should want to be coached.
    b) Starting the EL games
    c) Minutes
    d) Role in the offence
    e) Šaras makes every player fit in the roster perfectly, he gives them currage and "balls".

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    Official: Micic zu Žalgiris, 1+1 contract. Roster looks like that:

    PG Pangos, Lekavicius, Valinskas
    SG Micic, Milaknis
    SF Ulanovas,----(SG)
    PF Jankūnas, Wright, Masiulis
    C -----, Kavaliauskas

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    Any suggestion for SG/SF spot? He could be a little bit expensive (for us), around 300-400k. Could get a 20+ minutes, sometimes start games. He should be able to shoot and he should be athletic, good defender. Could it be Chriss Babb or James Anderson. Or they are too expensive for us?

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    With Micic on the roster, Pangos will be used more as a SG, since Vasa is really a PG and losses a lot of efficiency in SG role. Pangos can play more of a Bobby Dixon role as a shooting guard and scoring. Something he can do.

    As for a good idea for SF, bring in Grigonis he should be able to help. Then get an athletic C to run PnR with and defend/rebound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoachZ View Post
    With Micic on the roster, Pangos will be used more as a SG, since Vasa is really a PG and losses a lot of efficiency in SG role. Pangos can play more of a Bobby Dixon role as a shooting guard and scoring. Something he can do.

    As for a good idea for SF, bring in Grigonis he should be able to help. Then get an athletic C to run PnR with and defend/rebound.
    Don't believe, that Grigonis could take that role, that we want to give SG/SF player. We need a strong, athletic player for good defence, because this season Zalgiris lacked it with Seibutis, or Milaknis in SF position. Grigonis would be the same. Pangos would take SG role, but he would be a PG because of his height, like this season with Leo, when Pangos would start as PG, but Leo did all the PG work.

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    Jasikevicius re-sign another two year contract with Zalgiris. Big win.

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    Saras said, that team is thinking what to do with centers, probobly will add a SG. But you can understand, that contract with Lima can be renewed :/ I hope he won't renew and we will search for better C. Now, I think Zalgiris will calm down and wait for the draft, were Hartestein will be drafted, Zalgiris should get a buyout 650k (!). Ten we will search for the best option for the SG and C positions. That was a fun week Two new players, renew with Saras... Now I guess we will wait.

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    Could Daniel Hackett join Zalgiris? I mean, would it be possible? How much would a team need to pay him? Have in mind, that Zalgiris has great fans, one of the best arena in Euroleague, a spot in starting lineup and 25+ minutes in EL, plus great locker room atmosphere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZalgirisFanForLife View Post
    Could Daniel Hackett join Zalgiris? I mean, would it be possible? How much would a team need to pay him? Have in mind, that Zalgiris has great fans, one of the best arena in Euroleague, a spot in starting lineup and 25+ minutes in EL, plus great locker room atmosphere.
    He had a 800-900K salary last year. (bear in mind he was injured for 6 months so his price has obviously dropped). He has been informed that probably Oly won't renew him but his priority is to keep playing for Oly. In any other case there are already some Italian clubs which are interested in him and at the moment it's more likely for him to move there.
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    Žalgiris might bring Lima for another season, rumours say. If Hartestein goes to the NBA, Žalgiris gets the buyout, another center can join Kavaliauskas and Lima. It would be perfect. And another SG or SG/SF player we are looking for. The things will be moving after NBA drafts and Hartestein situation. Still waiting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZalgirisFanForLife View Post
    Žalgiris might bring Lima for another season, rumours say. If Hartestein goes to the NBA, Žalgiris gets the buyout, another center can join Kavaliauskas and Lima. It would be perfect. And another SG or SG/SF player we are looking for. The things will be moving after NBA drafts and Hartestein situation. Still waiting.
    What the limit of foreign players in national competition?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMJA View Post
    What the limit of foreign players in national competition?
    6- Pangos, Micic, new SG, White, Lima, new C. As you see, there will be 6 foreigners, no Hartestein, I'm 90% sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZalgirisFanForLife View Post
    6- Pangos, Micic, new SG, White, Lima, new C. As you see, there will be 6 foreigners, no Hartestein, I'm 90% sure.
    I would be so happy if that happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZalgirisFanForLife View Post
    6- Pangos, Micic, new SG, White, Lima, new C. As you see, there will be 6 foreigners, no Hartestein, I'm 90% sure.
    It would be strange two have to foreigner centers. I wish that the third center place would go to Birutis, as he seems to be quite promising.

    My perfect roster of 14 players (which Žalgiris traditionally rotates) would be:
    PG - Mičič, Lekavičius, Valinskas
    SG - Pangos, Grigonis
    SF - Anderson, Ulanovas, Milaknis
    PF - Jankūnas, White, Masiulis
    C - Lima / [New athletic big], Kavaliauskas, Birutis

    • I am not yet a big fan of Valinskas, but I think he deserves to continue to serve as the third PG option for LKL, he showed some promise.
    • Masiulis seems like someone who could become a new Jankūnas, hopefully. I really liked the flashes of potential European star he showed during some LKL games. I hope that after two seasons Žalgiris won't have to be looking for a foreign PF and that Masiulis and Jankūnas would become a very strong PF duo. Once Jankūnas retires, Masiulis seems like he could replace him as the starting PF for Kaunas team. Given the fact that green flows through his veins, I believe that he could become the face of the franchise (though, I hope that from Ulanovas and Lekavičius too, they seem to be near their potential ceiling and I think it won't be hard to maintain them in the team throughout their career, as they both seem like someone, who have patriotic attitude towards the team).
    • Birutis also proved while in Prienai that he is already a very deserving rotation player for Žalgiris in LKL and he also does seem to have great potential for becoming a good rotation center (15 min) for an Euroleague team.
    • Both of them seem like one of the purest talents that have been a part of the Žalgiris system in years (like Gudaitis, Grigonis, Velička or Kulboka), but also remained loyal and remained in the team. (though, I also liked Miniotas, who reminds me of Lavrinovič brothers, both from playing style and looks unfortunately, there is no space for him and he would not be able to provide what White will provide if the American fulfills his expectations of being energetic, athletic and flashy)
    • Grigonis would be a great replacement for Seibutis. He already played in the Lithuanian NT, so he has a sense of what is the atmosphere in the locker room, was a part of Žalgiris youth system and I really liked the way he played during the Olympics, as well as, he had a good season this year. He still has potential, does not lack confidence and is an energetic player. The only concern that I have about him is that when he was younger he was famous for his off-court activities, but with the authorities around him such as Jankūnas, Jasikevičius, Javtokas (as an assistant GM) & others, I think that he would maintain his focus where it is needed to be.
    • Also, I hope that the rumors you've spread about Anderson will come true, he seems like that missing part to put Žalgiris one level ahead, which would allow to reach TOP-8. (having him and Leo, would've been a dream come true, but I like the potential in Mičič. In addition, the latest work of Žalgiris medical and physical preparation staff is just phenomenal and gives a belief that the players will remain healthy throughout the season.)
    • I would really like to see no more than 5 foreigners and to see more chances given to the youngsters.
    • Finally, I don't really see a major difference skill-wise between Solomon and Lima, so if the candidates are at that level of skill, I would prefer to see Lima. I haven't really enjoyed his game the whole season, but he did showed some flashes of being really good in defense and with a little work on his post-game, he would be a good fit, as he already knows what to expect in Kaunas, has good chemistry with the team. Only if the team would find someone with a potential to be some kind of a Vogioukas-Lima mix type of player (creative on offense, athletic, energetic, good on defense), would I think that it's better to take a new player, instead of keeping someone who has already established himself in the team.


    Ha! When I started posting, I wasn't expecting to write such a long post!

    Anyway, eventually, I have all the trust in Jasikevičius and Motiejūnas joint-ability to pick the right type of players to improve the existing system.

    2017/2018 seems like a very promising season!!

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