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    is Daniel Sandrin a naturalized player, I thought he was a half Korean? I think Korea would have naturalized a taller, more agile and has more upper body strength that can support Ha under the boards.
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    The Asian Championship is not junk because of the naturalized players. If you are good then you should overcome naturalized players and half-breeds. China's A team have no problem with it.

    But the Asian Championships is junk because of the weakness of the competition and that includes China itself. LOL

    China is therefore right to train the A team in the Stankovic Cup. It doesn't do China or Asia any good for Yao, Yi, Wang, Sun and the rest of the A team to play in the Asian Championships.

    Why? Because in order for Asia to gain any more slots, Asians have to start winning against teams from other continents. This is why Lebanon is the second strongest team in Asia by far. It has won against outsiders in the WBC, including France and Venezuela.

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    Quote Originally Posted by budz17
    man, I have an issue calling peole half-breeds. it does'nt sound good. its not right. it sounds like like your talking about an animal. they're real people. its not their fault they were born that way. have a heart bro
    does half-bred sounds animalistic? oh, I'm sorry for the term, but I don't see anything foul about it though.
    It's ironic to see limited efforts from players with maximum salary.
    I wish they would apply "sabermetrics" in those financially challenged PBA teams to acquire players who are value for their money.

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    yeah , it kinda like cheating ,but on the other hand its in the rules.

    IMO,i think it's alright as long as they dont naturalize Kobe

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    Daniel Sadrin is Luxembourg blood!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyC33
    Now here is why...

    There should be NO naturalized players allowed under FIBA rules. NONE. NOT ONE. Players like Rahiem Wright of Jordan, Joe Vogel of Lebanon, and Daniel Sandrin of South Korea, weigh things too heavily for their team during competition and help their team win too much. Naturalized players mess up the competition and make the FIBA rankings junk, and worth very little in the end. ALL of the players in the ASIAN CHAMPIONSHIPS should be native-born and bred. If you have naturalized players on your team, it does not show what YOUR COUNTRY'S PLAYERS can do, it just shows what OTHER COUNTRIES' PLAYERS can do when put on your team, especially when that player is the 1st or 2nd best player on your team. No offense to these great players that I mentioned above on these teams, they are all great players, BUT they should not even BE here in the FIBA Asian Basketball Championships. To those respective countries that use naturalized players, I am sorry, I know that you want to win badly at all costs, and so you are willing to use naturalized players on your team, but they do not belong here, they should be disbarred from competition from now on, and should not be allowed. Sometimes it takes more courage, bravery, and strength, to lose like a man than to resort to cheating, dirty, underhanded, lowdown, and unethical tactics to win, like a coward or a wimp. Its a good thing FIBA only allows 1 naturalized player per team, or otherwise eventually after a couple of decades every Asian country's National Team would be full of foreign-born naturalized players, and there would be very few native-born sons from their own country on their own NATIONAL BASKETBALL TEAMS! Since naturalized players help their team to win so much, naturalized players make the FIBA rankings JUNK. Yes, I know that that is a strong word, but that is truth, they make the results of who wins games in these FIBA Asian Basketball Championships messed-up, and the FIBA rankings JUNK.

    Imagine if China naturalized and put on their team retired NBA point guard Gary Payton--that would solve their point guard problems really quick and balance things out even more in their favor. Perhaps they should do that in the future. After all, more and more countries are doing it.

    Seems like more amoral Asian cheating to me, whether its West Asian, South Asian, East Asian countries, etc., that does this. How come European and Latin American basketball powerhouses never use "naturalized players?" Are you lower than them?

    In my opinion, half-blood players also should not be allowed on countries' national teams if the ancestor of the player whose country that the players want to play for is older than their grandparents. So then, there would be no more of this "one-drop" rule. For example: anotherwards "my great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandmother or grandfather was _______________ <----(insert nationality here), and I have the papers to prove it, but now I look like an African-American guy", completely unlike any Asian nationality currently playing in the FIBA Asian Basketball Championships, "and I now want to play for this country's National Team and compete in the FIBA Asian Championships." That is wrong, and this rule would solve that problem.

    Also in my opinion, players who DID NOT GROW UP IN THAT COUNTRY, should not be allowed to play on a DIFFERENT COUNTRY'S National Team. They are not a native bred son, even if they were born in that country, and they should not be allowed to play for that country's National Team. For example: If they are 25 years old now, and they were only born in that Asian country, but did not grow up there, and only for example lived there for 1 year and then moved away to another country when they were only a little baby, and then lived for the rest of their life in the United States, and even grew up there, and now they want to play for the country in which they were originally born in, but only lived there for about a year as an infant before they move away, and now they want to play for that country's National Team for a chance at some minor fame, honor, power, and glory, and perhaps for the experience of winning a regional international basketball championships. That is just ridiculous and wrong, and some kind of rule needs to be created in order to stop this, that guarantees that half-bloods who play on an Asian country's national team have at least spent their childhood there in the country on whose national basketball team they are trying to play for would help solve this problem. Though I am NOT, mind you, in favor of eliminating half-blood players from FIBA Basketball competitions altogether--that would be racist, I am only in favor of limiting the dirty and underhanded tricks that Asian countries use to win in FIBA-ASIA competitions.


    And it does not matter if the naturalized player on your team "has lived and played in your country for a long time and intends to stay there for the rest of his life". Using naturalized players is cheating, dirty, lowdown, and unethical. And in the end, it messes up who wins the games in the FIBA-ASIA Basketball Championships, and messes up the countries true positions in the rankings all together, and makes the rankings all junk.

    Therefore, I say these FIBA Asian Basketball Championships are all just junk, if FIBA continues to allow countries to use naturalized players on their countries' National Basketball Teams, and does not institute the rules that i suggested, or at least try to institute some rules to limit the abuses that I have pointed out. Some people will do anything to win and whenever you are designing a system, the leaders of that system must invent rules that do not allow people to cheat, and use underhanded dirty tactics and tricks to win, and allow others to win fairly and squarely as much as possible.

    People need to lobby FIBA and FIBA-ASIA to get them to change this rule to make the current rules more righteous and fair.
    Why are you complaining with naturalize players and your team with Mengke Bateer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by joel23
    Why are you complaining with naturalize players and your team with Mengke Bateer?
    Mengke Bateer is Chinese, he was born in Inner Mongolia, which is Chinese territory, not Mongolian as the name may suggest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rikhardur
    Mengke Bateer is Chinese, he was born in Inner Mongolia, which is Chinese territory, not Mongolian as the name may suggest.
    Are you sure? Ok never mind

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    Quote Originally Posted by rikhardur
    Mengke Bateer is Chinese, he was born in Inner Mongolia, which is Chinese territory, not Mongolian as the name may suggest.
    Quote Originally Posted by joel23
    Are you sure? Ok never mind
    HEHEHE, I THINK JOEL23 WAS JUST ASSUMING THAT BATEER IS NOT A THRU BLOODED CHINESE..NICE TRY BRO JOEL

    NOW LEROYC33 CLAIMS WAS PREVAILED!
    PURELY NATIVE BLOODED IRANIAN(74) ROOSTER DEFEATED LEBANON(69) IN ABC CHAMPIONSHIP WITH JOEVOGEL LIB NATURALIZED PLAYER...

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    Half blooded is not bad and there is nothing wrong with this. I would call it stupid to label this naturalizing.

    I agree a country (like Qatar) should not be able to naturalize more than 1 player. I, on the other hand, agree with naturalizing at least 1 player, at least for now. It helps Asia get their foot in the door a little more.

    And btw part of me wants to attack you leroy because of the Chinese team blowing out of this tournament....but I wont say anything
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    guys!! if u notice all these years... the teams who won the ABC are always the ones who are pure-blooded.

    China - they won all of their championships without any naturalized player or mixed-blooded players.
    Philippines - we won all of our championships when our players were all pure and I mean pure. dat's how we won the bronze at the world championships.
    Japan - They were once a force but now they're superiority now has declined ever since they had naturalized and mix-blooded players.
    Korea - All of their players were pure until now. they would've had won the championships more than twice if it weren't for China's dynasty.
    Iran - These guys always were pure so they probably deserved to win.

    take my advice: NO MORE MIX BLOODED OR NATURALIZED PLAYERS NEXT TIME

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    Quote Originally Posted by interxavierxxx
    guys!! if u notice all these years... the teams who won the ABC are always the ones who are pure-blooded.

    China - they won all of their championships without any naturalized player or mixed-blooded players.
    Philippines - we won all of our championships when our players were all pure and I mean pure. dat's how we won the bronze at the world championships.
    Japan - They were once a force but now they're superiority now has declined ever since they had naturalized and mix-blooded players.
    Korea - All of their players were pure until now. they would've had won the championships more than twice if it weren't for China's dynasty.
    Iran - These guys always were pure so they probably deserved to win.

    take my advice: NO MORE MIX BLOODED OR NATURALIZED PLAYERS NEXT TIME
    Hey hey i'm not agree with you guys. Why Carlos Loyzaga is half-Filipino-Spanish?

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    I don't favor naturalizing...it's obviously cheating...that's the fact.
    Blame it to FIBA...

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    Quote Originally Posted by interxavierxxx
    guys!! if u notice all these years... the teams who won the ABC are always the ones who are pure-blooded.

    China - they won all of their championships without any naturalized player or mixed-blooded players.
    Philippines - we won all of our championships when our players were all pure and I mean pure. dat's how we won the bronze at the world championships.
    Japan - They were once a force but now they're superiority now has declined ever since they had naturalized and mix-blooded players.
    Korea - All of their players were pure until now. they would've had won the championships more than twice if it weren't for China's dynasty.
    Iran - These guys always were pure so they probably deserved to win.

    take my advice: NO MORE MIX BLOODED OR NATURALIZED PLAYERS NEXT TIME
    we won in 1985 in Ipoh, Malaysia with 3 naturalized players, Dennis Still, Chip Engelland and Jeffrey Moore.

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    It should be born in the land only.

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    Default About the only slot given to asia

    Yes, I agree with you here. It is somehow bringing some weight of racism hear and at the same time, the officials just show how UNOBSERVANT they are.

    Here's what Baumann is saying in the fiba asia news:
    http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/...News_arti.html

    "But if you see the flip side, Asian teams are not very consistent in international performances. Like China has always been on top at the Asian level. But in international competition, they are yet to break into the top level. Whereas if you see the African nations, like Nigeria for instance in the last world championship came close to beating Germany and France. So you see African teams have suddenly shown faster progress than Asian teams."

    Didn't he watch the games? Didn't he know that Lebanon is Asia and already beaten France? And if that's what he reasons out about China not breaking on top, how about Australia? Did they ever went in the semis?

    Maybe, it's about time that Asia should be given at least two slots. So I would like to see China and Iran kicking asses on 08 Olympics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joel23
    It should be born in the land only.
    yeah man! and not on water

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    FIBA ASIA suck! Game is Fixed!

    I still remember Philippines V Iran! That game is Fixed! That referee is a good friend of iranian coach!

    I will not respect FIBA! shame on you FIBA!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinoycyberwebs
    FIBA ASIA suck! Game is Fixed!

    I still remember Philippines V Iran! That game is Fixed! That referee is a good friend of iranian coach!

    I will not respect FIBA! shame on you FIBA!
    you've got some conviction there
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