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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    A NOOB quetions now
    Why is it that playersa from Bosnia can play for Other countries like Croatia, and Slovenian??????

    does Fiba even care about it ?
    Well its like this Preldžic and Begic played for Slovenian youth teams all there lives and Bosnian federation didn't want them and didn't raise them, but now that they were developed into great players all of a sudden they want them but they did nothing for them when they were in the starting phases of their career.

    Though IMO a player should be able to chose which country he represents once they become professionals even if they played for another country for its youth teams.

    But if it was me i wouldn't do it. I would do like Gregor Fučka did when the Slo organization turned their back on him he went to Italy and played his whole career for Italy. Why should i play for a team that didn't believe in me when i was young but now that they can get something from me all of a sudden they want me? Screw that i would do like Begic does and wave bye bye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pohani komarac View Post
    there is big difrence betwen Serbia and Crotia then Slovenia. Players like Planinic, Barac are Croats from Hercegovina whille Radmanovic is Serbian born in B&H. Whille Preldzic, Begic, Capin... are native Bosnians who are naturalized

    Suton is special case. His father is Croat from Hercegovina, mother Serbian from B&H and he was born in Sarajevo. So practicly he can play for anbody he wants
    BUt what I still don't Understand is how can you be Serbian if you were born in Bosnia or in Hersogvina??????

    and what about the players who were born in B&H when this 2 countries were still just 1 unified country?? can you choose to play for either one (like for Bosnia or for Hersegovina)????????///


    again sorry for my ignorance on the topic
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    BUt what I still don't Understand is how can you be Serbian if you were born in Bosnia or in Hersogvina??????

    and what about the players who were born in B&H when this 2 countries were still just 1 unified country?? can you choose to play for either one (like for Bosnia or for Hersegovina)????????///


    again sorry for my ignorance on the topic
    Welcome to the ex-Yugoslavia
    Yes, a Serbian can be that and a Bosnian too, the so called Bosnian Serbs, but who see themselves generally as Serbians first (and almost only). The same happens with Croats living in Serbia, Bosnia, etc.. Yeah it's tough to understand I know, but religion also plays a great role here.
    Bosnia and Herzegovina is one country only (like Trinidad and Tobago, for instance).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    BUt what I still don't Understand is how can you be Serbian if you were born in Bosnia or in Hersogvina??????

    and what about the players who were born in B&H when this 2 countries were still just 1 unified country?? can you choose to play for either one (like for Bosnia or for Hersegovina)????????///


    again sorry for my ignorance on the topic
    same how Stojakovic or Macvan are Serbians born in Croatia.

    Bosnia and Hercegovina (one country, not two and you can't call it Bosna because is Bosnia and Hercegovina) is multi etnical country with about (not 100% sure in this numbers) 15% Croats (who mostley living in region Hercegovina), 30% Serbians and the rest are Bosnians. Serbians even have their own country in country and they call it Republika Srpska
    Jordi Bertomeu sucks!

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    wow you guys are really complicated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    wow you guys are really complicated.
    Why do you think there was a war there in the first place?
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    Wow, Bosnia has some nice players. I really didnt know they all were Bosnians. I hope they have a good coach, cuz they can surprise. I mean only all Domercant and Teletovic can light it up from downtown. How about Suton if he will really play for them?
    Dude can play, saw him few times in March.

    I would say smth like this:

    Bremer
    Domercant
    Teletovic
    Suton
    Kikanovic

    Dunno who is the coach but he really has something to work with. This team is Eurobasket material IMO.

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    Bajramovic realy isn't know as good coach.

    they are still wating for Fiba to give them a green light for Preldzic and Varada because they played in Slovenian (Preldzic) Serbian (Varada) youth temas. Also only one naturalized plaer can play so it will be Domercant or Bremer
    Jordi Bertomeu sucks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pohani komarac View Post
    hope they can make surprise and qualify for EB
    me too. go bosnia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    wow you guys are really complicated.
    This is Balkans, my dear friend...

    Good luck to the Bosnian NT. I would like to see them qualifying for the Eurobasket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rikhardur View Post
    Why do you think there was a war there in the first place?
    Stupid me !!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rikhardur View Post
    Why do you think there was a war there in the first place?
    most people think that the war in bosnia and croatia had religious roots. that was only smoke screen. the reason, of course, as always was money and power. a lot of politicians and not just ex-yugo politicians got filthy rich out of the balkan wars. the biggest benefactor of the war, as always was "the almighty" USA. they sold the weapons and arms to all 3 sides. admittedly the war became very religious in character but only because the old communist guard was not able to initially enlist enough people willing to die for lost causes. religion on the other hand was perfect motivator. orthodox against catholics, orthodox against muslims, catholics agains muslims. very sad. in the process the west succeced in destroying one of the greatest countries ever to exists. it was the very simple case of "divide and conquer". the height of west's arrogance was when serbia was bombed. americans think they can intervene in other's counties internal affairs. in serbia's case was on the pretext of saving poor albanian population of kosovo. in reality they don't care about albanian muslims (or bosnian muslims). their objective was to make serbia weak. the only country in recent times who had balls to say fcuk off to america and before that to cut down to pieces very strong yugoslavia.
    while i don't agree with what serbian politicians did in kosovo and before that in my republic bosnia, people need to know that most of them were in kahootz with foreing powers de-stabilizing yugoslavia for years after tito's death. bosnian muslim population was misled by bunch of religious freaks. that same population was only nominally muslim. meaning that 95% had no idea or cared for islam. they ate pork, they didn't circumsised the boys, they drank alcoloh, they observed no religious holidays. as a result we have radicalized population that was left alone during the 4 year war. west did not want to help and they feel betrayed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pohani komarac View Post
    Bajramovic realy isn't know as good coach.
    he is a "great" coach, until the start of the third quarter
    then his teams usually dissapear..
    if Bosna (basketball club) could have hired Vukoičić bosnian federation should have done the same.. either with hiring Vukoičić or some other foreign coach..
    you can't expect Bajramović to lead a team with so much talent when he never had to cope with players like that..
    or when he did that didn't turn out to be a good thing..
    you can make a really good team and most importantly team with a great future in front of them..
    Gordić, Đedović, Preldžić (if he can get the permission to play for B&H), Teletović and Kikanović..
    that is a starting five which can play together for the next 7-9 years and I doubt Serbia, Croatia or Slovenia have a starting five for the future stronger then this one..
    but coaching is the problem..
    second problem which has really hurt B&H over the years is a lack of a strong interior player which can cope with strong bodies that teams usually have under the basket..
    they didn't have that.. they could have it now with Varda.. he is not a monster player but is good enough to give them some kind of light at the end of a tunnel..
    it could have been a great summer for them, but with Bajramović at helm I doubt it... too bad 'cause I would really like to see them performing on the big stage again 'cause this time I believe they could create a lot of problems to anyone.. a lot more then they did in 2005..
    but the coach.. argh..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Picek View Post
    he is a "great" coach, until the start of the third quarter
    then his teams usually dissapear..
    if Bosna (basketball club) could have hired Vukoi?i? bosnian federation should have done the same.. either with hiring Vukoi?i? or some other foreign coach..
    you can't expect Bajramovi? to lead a team with so much talent when he never had to cope with players like that..
    or when he did that didn't turn out to be a good thing..
    you can make a really good team and most importantly team with a great future in front of them..
    Gordi?, ?edovi?, Preldži? (if he can get the permission to play for B&H), Teletovi? and Kikanovi?..
    that is a starting five which can play together for the next 7-9 years and I doubt Serbia, Croatia or Slovenia have a starting five for the future stronger then this one..
    but coaching is the problem..
    second problem which has really hurt B&H over the years is a lack of a strong interior player which can cope with strong bodies that teams usually have under the basket..
    they didn't have that.. they could have it now with Varda.. he is not a monster player but is good enough to give them some kind of light at the end of a tunnel..
    it could have been a great summer for them, but with Bajramovi? at helm I doubt it... too bad 'cause I would really like to see them performing on the big stage again 'cause this time I believe they could create a lot of problems to anyone.. a lot more then they did in 2005..
    but the coach.. argh..
    thanx picek for this info. i must admit that i haven't been in touch lately with bosnian team as i live on the other side of the world and with job, kids and all find it bit hard to follow all the comings and goings. greatly appreciated

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delibasic View Post
    the biggest benefactor of the war, as always was "the almighty" USA.they sold the weapons and arms to all 3 sides.
    LOL, we rock !!!!!!!!!1

    Americans think they can intervene in other's counties internal affairs.

    Actually, the American government is the one to blame
    Don't blame it on us, We'r just common ppl, we can't control what our goverment does, even though there are a bunch of morons that actually support all that stupidity.


    But that has nothing to do with Basketball, does it?
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    PG position is problem for Bosnia. Gordic can spent some minutes at point, but he is really a two-guard and is not very efficient at distrubuting the ball and getting the team in offensive sets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    LOL, we rock !!!!!!!!!1




    Actually, the American government is the one to blame
    Don't blame it on us, We'r just common ppl, we can't control what our goverment does, even though there are a bunch of morons that actually support all that stupidity.
    true, it's the government. but who elects the governments, i ask you. the people. don't tell me that americans didn't lect bush for 2 terms. one term could have been seen as aberration, 2 terms is sheer ... well you know what.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delibasic View Post
    true, it's the government. but who elects the governments, i ask you. the people. don't tell me that americans didn't lect bush for 2 terms. one term could have been seen as aberration, 2 terms is sheer ... well you know what.
    Well, I'm proud to say that I was not among the Freacking ignorants that voted for 'im.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    Well, I'm proud to say that I was not among the Freacking ignorants that voted for 'im.
    i have to say that in my travels i met many americans. mostly from new england or southern california, i also met some from seattle. and they're all very progressive, open minded people. i haven't met any from america's "interior" but i get a feeling that those folks tend to be more conservative and less acceptable of others. my conclusion that east coast and west coast (in general) are the driving force behind america in every way, economic and political. they realized what bush is really about and as a result we have obama as a president (thank god).

    good on you for voting democrat

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    Delibasic, you realise that they have a two-term system in the US? Bush didn't win because he couldn't run for President...anyway, this is a basketball forum and half of what you said in your political rant is ridiculous anyway...

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