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    Quote Originally Posted by Dtown View Post
    First round draw is done and I think US might have landed in the toughest group.

    United States, Mexico, Puerto Rico, Cuba.

    Now really they really just have to get two wins against Cuba to make the next round, but I think Mexico and Puerto Rico might have some decent non NBA/Euroleague talent.

    edit: Funny enough Game 1 of the qualifiers is on Thanksgiving in the US.
    If this was 2008 it would be the toughest but Mexico is the only real threat in this group. PR isn't what they use to be and Cuba is going to be a clean sweep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steadysoul View Post
    If this was 2008 it would be the toughest but Mexico is the only real threat in this group. PR isn't what they use to be and Cuba is going to be a clean sweep.
    I agree. A full strength Mexico could make things interesting if USA Basketball decides to get sloppy and throw a team of D-leaguers or Euro-based players together for one week. Obviously, even on the low end of the talent pool, we have tremendous depth that's usually strong enough to overpower teams...but chemistry has always been our Achilles heal, and I'm not so certain that a team of D-leaguers/Euro-based players can come out of the qualifiers unscathed. Non-NBA players have a less-than-stellar record over the last decade against the elite American teams. That being said, FIBA Americas is pretty damn weak right now, so even a C-level, non-NBA team should compete for a spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Federoy View Post
    I agree. A full strength Mexico could make things interesting if USA Basketball decides to get sloppy and throw a team of D-leaguers or Euro-based players together for one week. Obviously, even on the low end of the talent pool, we have tremendous depth that's usually strong enough to overpower teams...but chemistry has always been our Achilles heal, and I'm not so certain that a team of D-leaguers/Euro-based players can come out of the qualifiers unscathed. Non-NBA players have a less-than-stellar record over the last decade against the elite American teams. That being said, FIBA Americas is pretty damn weak right now, so even a C-level, non-NBA team should compete for a spot.
    The one good thing about this format is because it's so spread out, you could potentially have a team that has months of playing together by the time it's all said and done, provided you don't have any dramatic roster changes. Like if you have a dedicated roster of 20 or so players, there's no reason they wouldn't develop chemistry over the course of about a year and a half.
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    Question, can we assume that the D-League NT of USA will be stronger than that of the 2015 Pan-Am NT? I remember USA then lost to Brazil and got eliminated by Canada.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CKR13 View Post
    Question, can we assume that the D-League NT of USA will be stronger than that of the 2015 Pan-Am NT? I remember USA then lost to Brazil and got eliminated by Canada.
    Wasn't that more or less a college team with a few NBA wash outs? Third place is pretty good for what they sent. Besides that wasn't exactly worst Canadian team. It was nearly the same team they sent to FIBA Americas later that summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dtown View Post
    The one good thing about this format is because it's so spread out, you could potentially have a team that has months of playing together by the time it's all said and done, provided you don't have any dramatic roster changes. Like if you have a dedicated roster of 20 or so players, there's no reason they wouldn't develop chemistry over the course of about a year and a half.
    I'm inclined to agree. The only caveat: DL and Euro-based players are in a consistent state of flux, so even with a large pool of players there's no guarantee a solid core can remain intact over the qualification period. Nevertheless, it would take a monumental collapse for the US to not qualify. Actually, in the long run, it's not the "B" team I'm concerned with...it's our "A" team that could have the more strenuous growing pains. Unless Euroleague joins the NBA by not permitting its players to compete during the regular season, elite European teams (excluding their NBA-based players) will have a major advantage over US NTs comprised of NBA players. The level of chemistry they'd develop over a year and a half would far exceed anything USA Basketball could cobble together once the real competition starts. As far as chemistry, NBA-based US teams trailed their European counterparts under the old system...it could get worst under this new format.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Federoy View Post
    I'm inclined to agree. The only caveat: DL and Euro-based players are in a consistent state of flux, so even with a large pool of players there's no guarantee a solid core can remain intact over the qualification period. Nevertheless, it would take a monumental collapse for the US to not qualify. Actually, in the long run, it's not the "B" team I'm concerned with...it's our "A" team that could have the more strenuous growing pains. Unless Euroleague joins the NBA by not permitting its players to compete during the regular season, elite European teams (excluding their NBA-based players) will have a major advantage over US NTs comprised of NBA players. The level of chemistry they'd develop over a year and a half would far exceed anything USA Basketball could cobble together once the real competition starts. As far as chemistry, NBA-based US teams trailed their European counterparts under the old system...it could get worst under this new format.
    The lack of chemistry is the result of an embarrassment of riches. Those teams developed that chemistry because they've been playing together for most of their time on their respective national teams. The turnover rate for your average national team is pretty low. If not for all of the options they'd have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steadysoul View Post
    The lack of chemistry is the result of an embarrassment of riches. Those teams developed that chemistry because they've been playing together for most of their time on their respective national teams. The turnover rate for your average national team is pretty low. If not for all of the options they'd have it.
    I don't disagree with your point. Our depth has resulted in a trade off...we don't have the chemistry other nations have developed over a number of years, but we have overwhelming talent that keeps us ahead. But my question is how long can we rely strictly on depth and talent? I'm not complaining about the results, but to be honest, I envy the way Spain, Australia and Serbia play with cohesion. Imagine if we had that sort of team play...Scary.

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    Imo even with just the euro US players... Wanamaker, Wilbekin, Randolph, Hunter, Jackson, Doelmann, Doudelock, Udoh etc. US qualification shouldn't be a question at all.

    Federoy; I'm glad you don't have that cohesion Even as of now, the difference in quality is just too big for these games to be interesting really.
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    That's funny shit.I cant believe there are sports fans thinking like it.It's like Federer losing to random Japanese player in round 1 of French Open but tournament director stepping in and saying "hey it was a fluke win who wants to watch a random Japanese guy in next round,Federer qualifies"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Federoy View Post
    I don't disagree with your point. Our depth has resulted in a trade off...we don't have the chemistry other nations have developed over a number of years, but we have overwhelming talent that keeps us ahead. But my question is how long can we rely strictly on depth and talent? I'm not complaining about the results, but to be honest, I envy the way Spain, Australia and Serbia play with cohesion. Imagine if we had that sort of team play...Scary.
    As long as our talent pool is so much better than everyone else? Forever probably. I mean the better non US players get the more likely they are to play in the NBA which means those teams will be in the same boat having to adjust.

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    The US can easily win with players from literally any level if they pick the right players but take a look at thw teams for this year's NBA combine to name just one example. One (barely) point guard out of the entire bunch and a bunch of ball-dominant players who kill their teams. A team like that has no shot. Period. None. Now if instead you went with a team of the actual best players at those levels then it could be reminiscent of 2012. This NBA policy kills Brazil because both of their point guards and their most important player all play in the NBA but Mexico, Puerto Rico, and Cuba don't have that problem. People who don't actually know the sport love to disrespect everybody the US plays like this is the 90s but that's a joke. We're lucky we have the Americas as competition and not Europe but even still the wrong US team can easily lose. National teams in other countries are treated like an organization. They develop an actual team. There's two years from now to 2019. Who knows what will happen basketball-wise in those countries?

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    You guys are missing the point. Who cares if they don't go undefeated or even lose multiple times. They can finish seventh and still qualify. Basically they can send the worst D leaguer at all 5 positions and still qualify easily.

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    Jeff Van Gundy to coach the team through the qualifiers, Greg Popovich still in line to coach at the World Cup http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/06/27/...up-qualifying/
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    Hopefully by then Popovich will be too old to coach. When I associate Popovich and Usa basketball him being the right hand man of Karl and Brown in 2002 and 2004 is what comes to mind. We've done so well since then I hope Popovich is nowhere near the team in 2019. The most overrated coach in the history of the Nba in my opinion. Give a lot of guys Tim Duncan for a decade and see the results.

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    brad stevens will get his shot and hopefully coach usa for decades

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    Quote Originally Posted by sime0n View Post
    brad stevens will get his shot and hopefully coach usa for decades
    Yeah I would love that. Hopefully by 2019 and 2020 Popovich and Usa basketball come to their senses and remove the old man from that post. It potentially has the Larry Brown fiasco of 2004 written all over it in my opinion. I would hope USA basketball learned its lesson from that and please no more grumpy old men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usagre View Post
    Yeah I would love that. Hopefully by 2019 and 2020 Popovich and Usa basketball come to their senses and remove the old man from that post. It potentially has the Larry Brown fiasco of 2004 written all over it in my opinion. I would hope USA basketball learned its lesson from that and please no more grumpy old men.
    Let's not act like Larry Brown and Pop are the same. Pop is grumpy in a goofy kind of way and is pretty open to the changing dynamics of the game. Larry is a stubborn egotistical man who was driven out of the league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usagre View Post
    Hopefully by then Popovich will be too old to coach. When I associate Popovich and Usa basketball him being the right hand man of Karl and Brown in 2002 and 2004 is what comes to mind. We've done so well since then I hope Popovich is nowhere near the team in 2019. The most overrated coach in the history of the Nba in my opinion. Give a lot of guys Tim Duncan for a decade and see the results.
    I agree with you about some of the Pop stuff you wrote but with a certain reserve though. We have to talk about what it means to be a great coach in NBA. If we talk about pure basketball knowledge, Xs and Os, Game Management none of the all time greats will make the top of that list, Popovich is not there either. Unfortunately that is not the only part of being a basketball coach in NBA.

    Team management, handling players and egos, getting the right guys for the lockeroom, making sure that guys are working in the same direction and have the same priorities, making sure that players respect the authority and know that they are replaceable etc. In all of these things Pop has done an amazing job over the years. He was also smart to delegate so much to his coaching team and add smart people to help him get where he wants to get. He is also the first one to tell about the importance of other guys in his team. He also has a clear relationship with RC regarding players/scouting and he knows how to trust people.

    So yes, he was blessed to have Duncan for almost 2 decades but he also made so many right decisions for his team and managed to do much more with less talent then many others who failed. That makes him a great "coach" let's say. Amazing parallel can be drawn with him and Obradovic in Europe. Obradovic is not the greatest Xs and Os guy, not even a great developer of talent and many other technical aspects of basketball. The way he manages the roster, the decisions he makes regarding his basketball teams/rosters and many other things make him one of all time greats. Same I feel about Pop.

    Of course, he is not one of my favorites though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steadysoul View Post
    Let's not act like Larry Brown and Pop are the same. Pop is grumpy in a goofy kind of way and is pretty open to the changing dynamics of the game. Larry is a stubborn egotistical man who was driven out of the league.
    He's not Larry Brown but at 70 he's too set in his ways to try and take on a unique endeavor like this. Give me someone younger who's gonna be around for a while like a decade so he and the potential pool of players can grow together. Not some caretaker.

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    Popovich's accomplishments speak for themselves. But I think he's overrated because of the continuity Duncan provided and the fact they he in essence really did it with one group of guys. I'll take a guy like Pat Riley over Popovich any day of the week. He played fast paced showtime with the Lakers when that was the makeup of his team and won 4 championships. He adapted his style and to half court offense and rugged defense with the Knicks and took them one John Starks three pointer from a title. Then in mid season he took an underachieving team all the way to a title with the Heat in '06.
    I'll take that resume over Popovich, Phil Jackson or anybody.

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