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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon_Koncak View Post
    what happened with Dr Fuentes bags Kwijibo?Will they ever test them?..look doping is everywhere in the proffesional sports,if you think that americans are the only onew who dope while europeans drink orange juice,you are naive at best.
    Sadly Spain isn't clean either. Among others Dr Fuente was provider of some biggest spanish football clubs so most of the arguments acussing Fuentes has been archived. I don't have problem to recognise that and i'm also ashamed. IMO teams must play with the same rules and only the best succes. Sadly this don't happen and the most powerful and richest team/country has favorable conditions
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    Quote Originally Posted by usagre View Post
    We're the college kids doping when they beat Spain by 30 in '84 or 40 in '88. Come on dude like I said everybody does what they have to do and it doesn't assure anything on the court.
    In fact, in that age the athletes (all the people who played sport) used to take substances that nowadays are prohibited. So americans could be dopated, but Spaniards too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usagre View Post
    We're the college kids doping when they beat Spain by 30 in '84 or 40 in '88. Come on dude like I said everybody does what they have to do and it doesn't assure anything on the court.
    Because european basketball in 80's was prehistoric really bad. With the years the difference has been reduced and now USA can't win even bronze with a NCAA roster. But if they didn't dope 30 years ago, necessary means they don't do right now? No
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Chacho View Post
    In fact, in that age the athletes (all the people who played sport) used to take substances that nowadays are prohibited. So americans could be dopated, but Spaniards too.
    Nowadays is not rly strange to find premature deads of 80's NBA players. Too much dopping for some of them i think
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kwijibo View Post
    Because european basketball in 80's was prehistoric really bad. With the years the difference has been reduced and now USA can't win even bronze with a NCAA roster. But if they didn't dope 30 years ago, necessary means they don't do right now? No
    There was also a very unfair rule, and it was that if you wanted to play in the NBA, you had to leave you NT. RIDICOLOUS!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Chacho View Post
    There was also a very unfair rule, and it was that if you wanted to play in the NBA, you had to leave you NT. RIDICOLOUS!!!
    But not ridiculous for every American everywhere to be disqualified for playing professionally...

    Also, Yugoslavians were fielding NBA players against USA college kids in 1990 so that isn't very accurate either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kwijibo View Post
    Nowadays is not rly strange to find premature deads of 80's NBA players. Too much dopping for some of them i think
    It so commendable for the Gasols and all the Spanish players that play or have played in the NBA to battle all those cheaters while remaining clean and doing it the right way. Like I said buddy keep living in your dreamland. It's the only way you can sleep at night.

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    The end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bad Boys 2882 View Post
    But not ridiculous for every American everywhere to be disqualified for playing professionally...

    Also, Yugoslavians were fielding NBA players against USA college kids in 1990 so that isn't very accurate either.
    Don't waste your time with these guys. Pau Gasol will retire and then Spain will be what they always were before him in the world of basketball, completely irrelevant. Although I must say I will miss eliminating a Pau led team over and over again.
    But hey, he can always say he beat the USA in that all important 6th place classification game.

    Goodnight everybody see you all in 3 years at the World Cup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usagre View Post
    Don't waste your time with these guys. Pau Gasol will retire and then Spain will be what they always were before him in the world of basketball, completely irrelevant. Although I must say I will miss eliminating a Pau led team over and over again.
    But hey, he can always say he beat the USA in that all important 6th place classification game.

    Goodnight everybody see you all in 3 years at the World Cup.
    Your arrogance is okey, no?

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    I can appreciate the wonderful era of Spanish basketball from 2002-2016. Far cry from the mess I saw in Barcelona in 1992. Would like to see better development from them though. Pau Gasol should not be your best player at age 36.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Chacho View Post
    Your arrogance is okey, no?
    With this post u can check that your time is more important than this troll
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    Quote Originally Posted by usagre View Post
    Don't waste your time with these guys. Pau Gasol will retire and then Spain will be what they always were before him in the world of basketball, completely irrelevant. Although I must say I will miss eliminating a Pau led team over and over again.
    One thing is saying they'll be an average team and other very different to say "completely irrelevant".

    Quote Originally Posted by usagre View Post
    But hey, he can always say he beat the USA in that all important 6th place classification game.

    Goodnight everybody see you all in 3 years at the World Cup.
    "He" didn't win, the Spanish NT did. It was the 5th position game and as far i can remember Spain didn't play bad in the tournament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kwijibo View Post
    With this post u can check that your time is more important than this troll
    Now is clarified. I thought that the Euroleague and European competitions thread were a bit conflictives, but compared with the international competitions threads, is a calm sea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Chacho View Post
    Your arrogance is okey, no?
    No, he can always improve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usagre View Post
    Don't waste your time with these guys. Pau Gasol will retire and then Spain will be what they always were before him in the world of basketball, completely irrelevant. Although I must say I will miss eliminating a Pau led team over and over again.
    But hey, he can always say he beat the USA in that all important 6th place classification game.

    Goodnight everybody see you all in 3 years at the World Cup.
    Gasol can also say that he beat the hell out of the team that defeated and eliminated the first edition of the US Redeem Team with Coach K and Lebron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SG 3000 View Post
    Gasol can also say that he beat the hell out of the team that defeated and eliminated the first edition of the US Redeem Team with Coach K and Lebron.
    No actually he didn't play in that game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon_Koncak View Post
    well you'd better believe it.Only spaniards think that this was not a robbery and an awful call.Check the tweets of american basketball journalists..all of them agree that it was a terrible call
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    https://twitter.com/franfraschilla/s...45727639470082
    https://twitter.com/bballbreakdown/s...22124231303168
    They are entitled to their opinion. So do I. The only difference is, my opinion is being based on facts, so I can provide proof. And they don't.

    Here you have the play, dissected for your convenience:


    Spain actually runs a play and puts Sergio in a great position to score. Australia is dumbfounded and little Patty Mills founds himself as the last defender between Rodriguez and the basket. He arrives late and has no time to put himself in a good defensive stance.


    Actually, you'd call that "squatting", if you ask me. Please take note of the position of both his feet, well outside the paint.



    Then, Sergio picks up his dribble and he's going to take the last steps to basket going left and blowing by Mills, catching him flat-footed. But a funny thing happens then. Mills feet, instead of being planted in the floor as required to draw an offensive foul, start to dance (possibly affected by the Spaniards' flopping aura, or following some catchy tune being played on the background).


    Put your hands up! Put your hands up in the air! But, what's that right leg doing there? Samba? Mills puts his knee in Sergio's path and creates contact.


    OMG! OMG! He touched Sergio! What's a wily veteran like him going to do? Will he shrug off contact and try to finish anyway? Or will he exaggerate it all and throw the ball up just in case the refs wasn't sure? I'm glad you asked.


    Of course, baby! He went for the sure thing. Please note again the position of both Mills' feet. Weeeeell inside the paint. Because he was going backwards while still placing himself in front of Rodriguez. Let's see it again:


    So, yes, as Sergio dives to the floor as he's supposed to do, Mills is not touching him. Because the fool is backtracking like Sergio's on fire. But he already made contact.


    Well. Now that we know what happened, let's hear from those guys at FIBA who I'm told have quite an influential view on what's a foul and what's not.

    Rule 33.4 Guarding a player who controls the ball:
    The guarding (defensive) player must establish an initial legal guarding position without causing contact before taking his position.

    Once the defensive player has established an initial legal guarding position, he may move to guard his opponent, but he may not extend his arms, shoulders, hips or legs to prevent the dribbler from passing by him.

    The defensive player must establish an initial legal guarding position by facing the player with the ball and having both feet on the floor.

    Contact must occur on the torso, in which case the defensive player would be considered as having been at the place of contact first.


    Previously, the rules state that a foul should be called on the a player when:

    As soon as the player leaves his vertical position (cylinder) and body contact occurs with an opponent who had already established his own vertical position (cylinder), the player who left his vertical position (cylinder) is responsible for the contact.

    You do the math. Mills creates contact by extending his right leg, hitting Sergio below the waistline. I'm sorry but that's a foul, even if the contact seems to be minimal. Sergio then dives to the floor like he was run over by a raging rhino. That's how it works: you force the referees to take a decision. 9 out of 10 times, they'll call it in your favor. Blame should go to the whole Australian squad, playing piss-poor defence in the final seconds of a game while leaving their PG as their lone rim protector.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usagre View Post
    No actually he didn't play in that game.
    he did not play but was part of the team and won the MVP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darrell Armstrong View Post
    They are entitled to their opinion. So do I. The only difference is, my opinion is being based on facts, so I can provide proof. And they don't.
    [reduced for convenience] - Levenspiel
    Here you have the play, dissected for your convenience:
    good post.

    i do not need to see this. it looked like a foul when i was watching. replays confirmed it for me.
    Last edited by Levenspiel; 08-22-2016 at 08:38 AM. Reason: quoted text reduced in size

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