SF: USA vs. Spain

[reamily]

But as u see it is not necessary what u said: "good league can still produce the players".

Good players are produced (maybe this isn't a properly word, we're speaking about people not about cars) in a country with basketball culture, institution's support, teams support, money investment and luck of having 2-3 good generations with no more of 5 years difference between them

you have the bold ones (maybe the first thing is good enough) to compensate or high probability to produce solid players, the same thing apply to us but the last thing and right institution support is lacking for now, as for the Chinese does have all the qualities (in the Asian Level)

You just need that one generation to lead that next generation when the previous generation retires as even there's a gap between generation of players in argentina, they are still winning the americas up until now(manu is already 45, Noch in 40 scola is 40 and Delfino dont play ball the last 10 years),


it is not a mere coincidence why US lost in 2002-2006.. as the present stars(Lebron, Melo, Paul) are still maturing when jordan and the 90's stars left the game, it didn't help that Kobe and Shaq arent in the nt that time

[Kwijibo]

What reamily doesn't know is that NBA drafts babies when they learn to walk with a ball in their hands.

In the first years of this century when europe had his best basketball level with lot of european stars some south-american stars and some american stars NBA started with the "river fishing" (in fact it started before in 80's and 90's but european NBA players were pure exceptions). But in the last 5-6 years NBA has started with the "Trawling", being europe a solar with no green shoots

[Kwijibo]

In the first years of this century when europe had his best basketball level with lot of european stars some south-american stars and some american stars NBA started with the "river fishing" (in fact it started before in 80's and 90's but european NBA players were pure exceptions). But in the last 5-6 years NBA has started with the "Trawling", being europe a solar with no green shoots

A real example of this: In 70's and 80's if i'm not wrong yugoslavian players couldn't leave their league to a foreign league: The result? Strong league.

Nowadays yugoslavian players leave their league to turkey or spain with 14-15 years or to NBA with the minimum age required. The result? A league formed by +35 years ex-players, random american players who are even unknown in their own houses, and bad talented autochthonous players that other leagues don't want.

If NBA keep with the Trawling of Europe, what is happening today in ABA will ahve in all domestic or multi-european leagues.

[Picek]

Who was worst in Rio for his team: JV or Rubio?

at least Rubio actually played some defense.

[Navarro #7]

In the first years of this century when europe had his best basketball level with lot of european stars some south-american stars and some american stars NBA started with the "river fishing" (in fact it started before in 80's and 90's but european NBA players were pure exceptions). But in the last 5-6 years NBA has started with the "Trawling", being europe a solar with no green shoots

Even Abrines or Willy are going to NBA. Without proving anything or dominating here. It seems they will be good, but only promises yet.

[Adon]

... and luck of having 2-3 good generations with no more of 5 years difference between them

Generations with less than 5 years difference between them? I wonder what is your definition of "generation".

[Kwijibo]

Even Abrines or Willy are going to NBA. Without proving anything or dominating here. It seems they will be good, but only promises yet.

And these two aren't the worst examples. Some players who are nothing in europe are being drafted by NBA, or playing there undrafted, like Maurice Ndour being a fucking joke in Madrid and now in New York Knicks' Roster

[Kwijibo]

Generations with less than 5 years difference between them? I wonder what is your definition of "generation".

For example in Spain 1980 generation and we have another good one around 1954 if i'm not wrong. 1 year 1 generation.

[Mr Chacho]

A real example of this: In 70's and 80's if i'm not wrong yugoslavian players couldn't leave their league to a foreign league: The result? Strong league.

Nowadays yugoslavian players leave their league to turkey or spain with 14-15 years or to NBA with the minimum age required. The result? A league formed by +35 years ex-players, random american players who are even unknown in their own houses, and bad talented autochthonous players that other leagues don't want.

If NBA keep with the Trawling of Europe, what is happening today in ABA will ahve in all domestic or multi-european leagues.

European basketball is dying, the NBA is paying slaries which are crazy, impossible for europeans. The highest paid spanish player is Rudy with 2,7 millions of euros, and Philadelphia had the intention to give him 10 millions of dollars.

10 millions of euros is what Sergio Ramos earns in our football team, the salaries in the NBA are higher than the salaries in the european football.

[HeinrichMohr]

European basketball is dying, the NBA is paying slaries which are crazy, impossible for europeans. The highest paid spanish player is Rudy with 2,7 millions of euros, and Philadelphia had the intention to give him 10 millions of dollars.

10 millions of euros is what Sergio Ramos earns in our football team, the salaries in the NBA are higher than the salaries in the european football.

Why do you think that Chacho is going? He'll earn in the NBA what he gets in the ACB in 4 or 5 years.

[Mr Chacho]

Why do you think that Chacho is going? He'll earn in the NBA what he gets in the ACB in 4 or 5 years.

Exactly, and in the 76ers he won't fight for nothing special, while at Real Madrid he will fight for winning titles. The ACB is already death.

[Darrell Armstrong]

This game was basically unwatchable, absolutely unlike previous contests. You try to explain to someone new to the game that the two best teams in the world were playing in the biggest possible stage. Team USA defence was so poorly executed you'd think they came to Rio without a coach. Many times the player with the ball was left alone. As in, everyone thought he had other assignment, so, why bother. It'd hilarious if it weren't because Spain failed to capitalise on those silly mistakes every single friggin' time.

And Team USA offence is so frustrating. 1-on-5 every other possession. They friggin' took turns to friggin' shoot the friggin' basketball, without even caring to fake a friggin' pass. It would be hilarious if it weren't because it worked. They made enough contested shots to keep the lead. And when they failed, they had 2nd and even 3rd chances to score. For stretches, it looked like a friendly game. There was no fire, no pressure. USA had enough with some shots falling and some defensive stops to keep the lead, so there was no need for extra effort. You've got to point the finger to Spain, of course. They never really challenged. Missed too many shots, took too many bad decisions. They looked flat and careless. The turning point was that stupid, stupid Rodríguez offensive foul on Jordan. Had he kept his hand to himself, he'd have put Spain down 7 with more than two minutes and a half left. That sounds like a chance.

As a Spanish fan, the only positive note I can come up with is that I will be able to tell my grandsons I saw Víctor Claver outplay Kevin Durant once. That's not much, I agree, but beggars cannot be choosers.

[usagre]

Tell me what's wrong with this picture. So Spain is down 8 with the ball and 18 seconds to go. Rodriguez is jogging up the court like its the first quarter and Spain gets one possession out of it. Race up the court take it to the hole like every team with a half a brain would do, get a layup and then put pressure on these guys to inbound the ball without the ability to call timeout like they are accustomed to in the NBA. Yeah the game is most likely 99% over but why are you surrendering ?
This is a knockout game. Are you still about cosmetic looking final score moral victories. When teams get over this mindset than maybe they can defeat USA again. Extend the game you dummies, it's your only shot.

[Darrell Armstrong]

Tell me what's wrong with this picture. So Spain is down 8 with the ball and 18 seconds to go. Rodriguez is jogging up the court like its the first quarter and Spain gets one possession out of it. Race up the court take it to the hole like every team with a half a brain would do, get a layup and then put pressure on these guys to inbound the ball without the ability to call timeout like they are accustomed to in the NBA. Yeah the game is most likely 99% over but why are you surrendering ?
This is a knockout game. Are you still about cosmetic looking final score moral victories. When teams get over this mindset than maybe they can defeat USA again. Extend the game you dummies, it's your only shot.

Actually, with 44 seconds to go, Mirotic misses his last free throw, catches the rebound, and instead of passing it to a teammate for an open three, immediately misses the opportunity to make it a 5 point game. Why not even try?

[HeinrichMohr]

Exactly, and in the 76ers he won't fight for nothing special, while at Real Madrid he will fight for winning titles. The ACB is already death.

The times are changing, like Bob Dylan said once. Every time there's an international player that is a bit promising, here comes daddy NBA and takes him. When i grew up, during the 80s and early 90s, you could see that most teams in the ACB had a stable core of players easily recognizable. The NBA was far away. Nowadays, the NBA is a global business. More nationalities in the league means a bigger market.