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    Default Should Olympic basketball be for the U24 category ?

    Some people are of the opinion that basketball in the Olympics should be played by players U24. That way it can still remain highly competitive, while at the same time WC basketball and the continental championships will be the most important events. All players would want to take part in those championships, because they can rest during the remaining summers. The only players who will have to participate in an international tournament 3 out of 4 summers would be the young bloods. This seems pretty fair.

    Moreover, prestige wise, one could argue that basketball deserves more merit than say, field hockey or water polo. Seeing someone playing beach volleyball winning a gold medal, just like the winner of the basketball category seems somewhat degrading for the sport. Even more so, a swimmer or a horse rider can win several medals, while a basketball player can only win one. Seems pretty unfair.
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    no. olympic games are the biggest sporting event for every sportsmen.
    it should remain as it is.
    how can winning a gold medal degrade a sport?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victorious View Post
    Some people are of the opinion that basketball in the Olympics should be played by players U24. That way it can still remain highly competitive, while at the same time WC basketball and the continental championships will be the most important events. All players would want to take part in those championships, because they can rest during the remaining summers. The only players who will have to participate in an international tournament 3 out of 4 summers would be the young bloods. This seems pretty fair.

    Moreover, prestige wise, one could argue that basketball deserves more merit than say, field hockey or water polo. Seeing someone playing beach volleyball winning a gold medal, just like the winner of the basketball category seems somewhat degrading for the sport. Even more so, a swimmer or a horse rider can win several medals, while a basketball player can only win one. Seems pretty unfair.
    I agree that a U24 or U25 should be the limit for Olympic basketball. This way, it will be a much more interesting event + it will be a launching board for some new talents etc. Most of the top sports already are not culminating the Olympic games anyway, and the merit for success and how good are you at them is already achieved in the other fields and arenas. So basically, beside tradition, Olympics are just a showcase for second-rate and low-rate sports. They change hardly anything among top sports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoachZ View Post
    . Most of the top sports already are not culminating the Olympic games anyway, .
    which are those besides football?
    name one.
    if what you wrote is true why did serbian basketball federation payed 2 millions to organize the OQT just to be at the olympics?
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    Olympics is much more prestigious than World Championships.That's just the way it is.Tony Parker has never played a WC in his career(cause he chose not to).USA sends way better teams in Olympics than in WC.It's not even close.Eurobaskets before an olympic year are much more stronger than the ones before WC.And i'm not sure using u23 teams in olympics would make World Cup more prestigious.It would just leave Basketball with no major tournament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Picek View Post
    which are those besides football?
    name one.
    if what you wrote is true why did serbian basketball federation payed 2 millions to organize the OQT just to be at the olympics?
    Because it is the interest of the country to be represented there in a sport where they can medal. Purely Serbian interest. If it was for fencing, do you think they would pay it? Fuck no. Also it is a national competition before all. So yes, for the countries it is the most important, for the actual athletes and sports not really. Depends on the sport, for minor sports yeah. Any sports that really matter. Nope.

    - Football - Not even close, behind all the club and national competitions + all domestic leagues and most cups.
    - Basketball - Behind NBA
    - Tennis - Lol, behind everything
    - Athletics - Ok here it is the most important, still the best results and performances usually come in other events. As well as the money.
    - Motorsports - don't count
    - Cricket - not even close
    - Boxing - not even close
    - Hockey - behind NHL
    - Volleyball - Ok here it is the most important.
    - Golf - not even close


    Those are top 10 sports by number of athletes, popularity, watching etc. etc. Olympics are almost irrelevant there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon_Koncak View Post
    Olympics is much more prestigious than World Championships.That's just the way it is.Tony Parker has never played a WC in his career(cause he chose not to).USA sends way better teams in Olympics than in WC.It's not even close.Eurobaskets before an olympic year are much more stronger than the ones before WC.And i'm not sure using u23 teams in olympics would make World Cup more prestigious.It would just leave Basketball with no major tournament.
    Which is fine. The basketball that actually matters is played at the club level anyway. These are just parades for propaganda and corruption anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon_Koncak View Post
    Olympics is much more prestigious than World Championships.That's just the way it is.Tony Parker has never played a WC in his career(cause he chose not to).USA sends way better teams in Olympics than in WC.It's not even close.Eurobaskets before an olympic year are much more stronger than the ones before WC.And i'm not sure using u23 teams in olympics would make World Cup more prestigious.It would just leave Basketball with no major tournament.
    I agree 100%. They can call it the World Cup or whatever it wall always be a secondary event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoachZ View Post
    Because it is the interest of the country to be represented there in a sport where they can medal. Purely Serbian interest. If it was for fencing, do you think they would pay it? Fuck no. Also it is a national competition before all. So yes, for the countries it is the most important, for the actual athletes and sports. Depends on the sport, for minor sports yeah. Any sports that really matter. Nope.

    - Football - Not even close, behind all the club and national competitions + all domestic leagues and most cups.
    - Basketball - Behind NBA
    - Tennis - Lol, behind everything
    - Athletics - Ok here it is the most important, still the best results and performances usually come in other events. As well as the money.
    - Motorsports - don't count
    - Cricket - not even close
    - Boxing - not even close
    - Hockey - behind NHL
    - Volleyball - Ok here it is the most important.
    - Golf - not even close


    Those are top 10 sports by number of athletes, popularity, watching etc. etc. Olympics are almost irrelevant there.
    footbal - i already said
    basketball - what does it mean behind NBA? if it is behind NBA there would be no NBA players present.
    tennis - yes, Đoković tears surely proved that
    cricket - I'll quote an indian article: "Cricket, apart from the craze and madness, is only played in a handful of nations. Introducing Cricket in the Olympics would sure be a huge boost for the sport but it can’t be done unless a majority of nations have Cricket teams of their own."
    boxing - is there a bigger challenge for boxers who are not pro's?
    hockey - again, if it is like that then there would be no NHL players at the olympics
    golf - yes, that is the reason why golfers pushed for golf to finally become an olympic sport again after 112 years.

    you didn't give a single argument that would back your questionable statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Picek View Post
    footbal - i already said
    basketball - what does it mean behind NBA? if it is behind NBA there would be no NBA players present.
    tennis - yes, Đoković tears surely proved that
    cricket - I'll quote an indian article: "Cricket, apart from the craze and madness, is only played in a handful of nations. Introducing Cricket in the Olympics would sure be a huge boost for the sport but it can’t be done unless a majority of nations have Cricket teams of their own."
    boxing - is there a bigger challenge for boxers who are not pro's?
    hockey - again, if it is like that then there would be no NHL players at the olympics
    golf - yes, that is the reason why golfers pushed for golf to finally become an olympic sport again after 112 years.

    you didn't give a single argument that would stand behind your questionable statement.
    LOL. You are using terrible logic. Just finding excuses for each sport. I said Olympics is NOT the pinnacle of most important sports in the world. Not what they mean to countries that participate, what is their interest etc. etc.

    When u ask, what it means behind NBA and NHL. If it was more important than NHL or NBA, they would not keep cancelling They would make it a priority. Like I said in 2 out of top 10 sports in the world, Olympics are not the highest level of competition or the pinnacle of the sport. So yeah, if you are into fencing, archery, waterpolo and shit like that, yeah go Olympics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoachZ View Post
    Most of the top sports already are not culminating the Olympic games anyway,
    Quote Originally Posted by CoachZ View Post
    Like I said in 2 out of top 10 sports in the world, Olympics are not the highest level of competition or the pinnacle of the sport. .

    what is it then? most of the top sports or 2 out of 10 top sports?
    It looks like you can not decide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Picek View Post
    what is it then? most of the top sports or 2 out of 10 top sports?
    It looks like you can not decide.
    Read the post with more CARE! Most of TOP SPORTS! That is what I said. 8 out of 10, is most. If you want Top 25, here is the list. Then decide where are Olympics there:

    http://www.totalsportek.com/most-popular-sports/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon_Koncak View Post
    Olympics is much more prestigious than World Championships.That's just the way it is.Tony Parker has never played a WC in his career(cause he chose not to).USA sends way better teams in Olympics than in WC.It's not even close.Eurobaskets before an olympic year are much more stronger than the ones before WC.And i'm not sure using u23 teams in olympics would make World Cup more prestigious.It would just leave Basketball with no major tournament.
    One can not know how the players would react to the WC if the players would not have to play in the Olympics. That said, it would be delusional to think that the WC would not even be more important than it is today. It would be the only tournament which will show which national team is the best on the planet. Frankly, the Olympics doesn't really show that since many potential medal contenders are not even present.

    Also, the Olympic basketball qualifications tournaments are rather silly. Players have to team up twice during the summer in order to play for the Olympics, while the qualifying tournament itself starts one week after most competitions end. One can not seriously expect professional teams to be able to prepare themselves in a week. I think the IOC is very disrespectful to basketball players. I would say that the the U24 tournament would be a fitting alternative. Or let 3 X 3 be the basketball event of the Olympics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoachZ View Post
    Read the post with more CARE! Most of TOP SPORTS! That is what I said. 8 out of 10, is most. If you want Top 25, here is the list. Then decide where are Olympics there:

    http://www.totalsportek.com/most-popular-sports/
    I think you are the one who should really read what you wrote..
    try couple of times..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Picek View Post
    I think you are the one who should really read what you wrote..
    try couple of times..
    It's a typo, just seen it. You know quite well what I meant. In 2 out of 10 sports Olympics can be considered the pinnacle. The rest not...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victorious View Post
    One can not know how the players would react to the WC if the players would not have to play in the Olympics. That said, it would be delusional to think that the WC would not even be more important than it is today. It would be the only tournament which will show which national team is the best on the planet. Frankly, the Olympics doesn't really show that since many potential medal contenders are not even present.

    Also, the Olympic basketball qualifications tournaments are rather silly. Players have to team up twice during the summer in order to play for the Olympics, while the qualifying tournament itself starts one week after most competitions end. One can not seriously expect professional teams to be able to prepare themselves in a week. I think the IOC is very disrespectful to basketball players. I would say that the the U24 tournament would be a fitting alternative. Or let 3 X 3 be the basketball event of the Olympics.
    I can't speak for other countries but I can almost guarantee you that for the USA its Olympics or nothing. So you would never see any great USA teams again. And how prestigious can an event be if the best team is not properly represented.
    The World Championships even with Nba star participation draws no interest in this country. Reruns of cartoon beat it in n the viewer ratings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usagre View Post
    I can't speak for other countries but I can almost guarantee you that for the USA its Olympics or nothing. So you would never see any great USA teams again. And how prestigious can an event be if the best team is not properly represented.
    The World Championships even with Nba star participation draws no interest in this country. Reruns of cartoon beat it in n the viewer ratings.
    Americans have no national team tradition like the rest of the world has. Yes, they like to see heroes, Olympians, like swimmers etc. They had some competition with the Sovjet Union at the Olympics. So it's part of their DNA. But when it comes to team sports. It's all about NBA, NFL, etc. They don't really watch the national baseball team, or ice hokey team either. In fact, the national basketball team is probably the only American national team which receives some attention in the States.

    Be it as it may, we have to think on a global basis. In my view it is all about how most countries perceive it, rather than one particular one. And most countries do not even participate at the Olympics basketball tournament. The fact that only 2 to 5 European countries can qualify for the Olympics is not representative for the most prestigious basketball event. As long as the US sends its NBA stars, it will be great for the rest of the globe.
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    It's logical that the Americans prefer the Olympics but as for the rest of the world we don't make much of a difference between the Olympic Games and the World Championship. Olympics has glamour of its own but the main advantage of a FIBA World Cup is that you can see many more countries involved, more supporters and more colours.

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    I think it'd be better to open a thread discussing about the current Olympic system,who deserves to play stuff etc.Would be nice to hear non-Europeans(actually my point would be Asians)I don't really know why some people insisted on the current system of qualification and found it fair and now it's even unknown if they'll manage it be at the WC.I mean,Asia sends automatically China,and Europe Lithuania and Spain.Like saying,that being gold at FIBA Asia is a better achievement than being bronze at Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victorious View Post
    Americans have no national team tradition like the rest of the world has. Yes, they like to see heroes, Olympians, like swimmers etc. They had some competition with the Sovjet Union at the Olympics. So it's part of their DNA. But when it comes to team sports. It's all about NBA, NFL, etc. They don't really watch the national baseball team, or ice hokey team either. In fact, the national basketball team is probably American national team which receives some attention in the States.

    Be it as it may, we have to think on a global basis. In my view it is all about how most countries view it, rather than one particular one. And most countries do not even participate at the Olympics basketball tournament. The fact that only 2 to 5 European countries can qualify for the Olympics is not representative for the most prestigious basketball event. As long as the US sends its NBA stars, it will be great for the rest of the globe.
    But without a representative USA team is it really a world championship? It's basically a glorified Eurobasket sprinkled with a couple of South American teams and Australia.

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