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Last edited by Alex07; 08-14-2020, 03:02 PM."How small ball works: Tall Skilled beats small skilled every time,but small skilled beats tall stiff every time" - Kevin McHale
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Originally posted by robert0326Kobe is now busy twitting against government policies.. including ANTI TERROR LAW!! hahahahahahahha!!! While Ricci Rivero is BUSY courting JIMUEL PACQUIAO EX (I don't know her name)!!!! HAHAHAHAAHAHAH!! Personally i like that girl!!! hahahahahahaha!!!!
Kobe has recently signed under True Focus (Mavs) to train with them. He has been working out with Ateneo boys tho.
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Originally posted by Alex07 View PostRivero,Thirdy and Dave I in my opinion should improve their point guard skills tremendously.I think if there is one or two(maximum) short(6" or less) point guard or player we would get l, it should be Remy Martin,If he is not available or eligible,then it should be either Keifer,Perez or Bolick.Those three are the ones Rivero should beat if Remy is not available.Thirdy and Dave of course can be shooting guards but really has to improve their ball handling,shooting, passing, play making and on ball defense(including their laterals and overall quickness).I wish Remy is eligible and is available for Gilas, it would be fun to see him play against our guards like Kiefer,CJ etc.Inreally think he'll be one of the quickest if not the quickest guard we've ever seen.A very good match up against Japan's Togashi,that would be like a battle of two Mach 2 delta wing fighters.
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Originally posted by mathematicianrcg View PostI guess he is just unlucky. As grear as Benjie Paras is, he is a big man, he cannot teach Kobe how to play as a guard or a wing.
Also, maybe he was not guided well
I mean compare the guide of Kai with Kobe. It is miles apart
But still we can see the glaring flaws of Kobe in terms of dribbling & outside shooting. Yes, he can shoot 3's but couldn't do it on a consistent basis.
On the other hand, you got someone like a Calvin Oftana who started playing basketball at a late age & didn't really get advanced or sophisticated basketball training until perhaps when he reached college (with San Beda), yet from the way I see it, Oftana has better fundamentals than Kobe. I see Oftana as having better ball handling & outside shooting than Kobe P. at present."A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV
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I'm not sold out with the idea of converting Ricci Rivero into a point guard or combo guard. From the way I saw his games with the "23 for 2023" cadet team during the 2018 Fil-oil Flying-V Preseason Cup where he played as a point guard/combo guard, I feel its better for him to just stick to his original position which is shooting guard. He simply won't cut it at the 1 position.
Being a point guard is more than just dribbling & passing.There are really players who weren't born to be point guards."A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV
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Originally posted by JAMSKIE View PostFrom what I heard father Benjie's best buddy Ronnie Magsanoc started to train Kobe when the kid was around 12 yrs. old with the projection that Kobe will play as a guard or a wingman. With that, for sure Macsanoc taught the kid with basic fundamentals with the emphasis on dribbling & outside shooting. Then of course as we know it, Kobe went to the US for high school education. Knowing how American basketball puts emphasis on the fundamentals of the game, for sure Kobe was trained well on dribbling, shooting & passing.
But still we can see the glaring flaws of Kobe in terms of dribbling & outside shooting. Yes, he can shoot 3's but couldn't do it on a consistent basis.
On the other hand, you got someone like a Calvin Oftana who started playing basketball at a late age & didn't really get advanced or sophisticated basketball training until perhaps when he reached college (with San Beda), yet from the way I see it, Oftana has better fundamentals than Kobe. I see Oftana as having better ball handling & outside shooting than Kobe P. at present.
Originally posted by thatweirdguy View PostRicci has a lot of catching up to do. How tall is he really? All those guys except Kiefer and Remy are at least 6'1, better skilled and has tons of experience over him. His only advantage over them is that he jumps a lot higher though Thirdy and CJ could probably challenge him. He also seems the least mature but at least he works hard. It's not too late to work on his guard skills though. This guy is highly touted coming out of hs and he proved that he can go toe to toe with the best when he was with DLSU. I really believe he just needs a good coach to unleash his potential."How small ball works: Tall Skilled beats small skilled every time,but small skilled beats tall stiff every time" - Kevin McHale
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Originally posted by JAMSKIE View PostFrom what I heard father Benjie's best buddy Ronnie Magsanoc started to train Kobe when the kid was around 12 yrs. old with the projection that Kobe will play as a guard or a wingman. With that, for sure Macsanoc taught the kid with basic fundamentals with the emphasis on dribbling & outside shooting. Then of course as we know it, Kobe went to the US for high school education. Knowing how American basketball puts emphasis on the fundamentals of the game, for sure Kobe was trained well on dribbling, shooting & passing.
But still we can see the glaring flaws of Kobe in terms of dribbling & outside shooting. Yes, he can shoot 3's but couldn't do it on a consistent basis.
On the other hand, you got someone like a Calvin Oftana who started playing basketball at a late age & didn't really get advanced or sophisticated basketball training until perhaps when he reached college (with San Beda), yet from the way I see it, Oftana has better fundamentals than Kobe. I see Oftana as having better ball handling & outside shooting than Kobe P. at present.
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Originally posted by thatweirdguy View PostWell to be honest some people just can't develop the skills even if trained hard. There are a lot of NBAers who can't dribble or shoot. Heck Shaq can't shoot to save his life yet he's one of the most dominant player ever. Then there are people who can quickly pick up a skill.
Indeed, there are really those who aren't born with specific skills."A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV
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I think making it to the NBA as a role/rotational/average or a slightly above average/marginal player is more of having the physical attributes - size, athleticism, quickness/agility & physical strength, than having the skills.
I think its obvious that guys like Wang Zhizhi & Yi Jian Lian are more skilled than the likes of Dwight Howard & Javalle McGee, yet Howard & McGee have long careers in the NBA while both Wang & Yi's NBA careers were short lived. Also, Howard & McGee are/were both serviceable by the NBA teams that they've played for, Howard even made it to the US National team. While both Wang & Yi were NBA benchwarmers.
Athletic & malakas lang talaga katawan nina Howard & McGee but in terms of pure basketball skills, they are just average. Wang Zhizhi & Yi Jian Lian on the other hand are/were skilled big men but they lacked the physical strength & athleticism by NBA standards to be a rotational player & to have a longer career in that league.
This makes me realize while despite of his exceptional skills, Kai Sotto isn't ranked that high in the NBA mock draft. The way I see it, in terms of pure basketball skills, Kai is better than a number of current NBA centers. But Kai isn't as athletic & as strong by NBA standards.
Therefore I expect that a young 7-footer with significantly inferior skills but with significantly better physical attributes than Kai Sotto - athleticism & physical strength, would have a better chance of making it to the NBA & would have a longer NBA career than Kai. So I think it would make more sense that Kai gets physically stronger rather than just mainly improve his basketball skills."A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV
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I think you can see some of Magsanoc’s influence on Kobe. No matter how much of a diva Kobe is he does love flashy passes. Also does anyone remember Philippine Basketball myths like no one could box out Abet Guidaben, Samboy had the longest hangtime, No one could dribble in front of Abbarientos, Jaworski can control a whole game etc. the myth about Ronnie Magsanoc was that no one was able to steal the ball from him. Thats not very like Kobe tho. If he just tightens his handles thats our future 3man. Even calvin oftana has better handles than Kobe.
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Originally posted by JAMSKIE View PostI think making it to the NBA as a role/rotational/average or a slightly above average/marginal player is more of having the physical attributes - size, athleticism, quickness/agility & physical strength, than having the skills.
I think its obvious that guys like Wang Zhizhi & Yi Jian Lian are more skilled than the likes of Dwight Howard & Javalle McGee, yet Howard & McGee have long careers in the NBA while both Wang & Yi's NBA careers were short lived. Also, Howard & McGee are/were both serviceable by the NBA teams that they've played for, Howard even made it to the US National team. While both Wang & Yi were NBA benchwarmers.
Athletic & malakas lang talaga katawan nina Howard & McGee but in terms of pure basketball skills, they are just average. Wang Zhizhi & Yi Jian Lian on the other hand are/were skilled big men but they lacked the physical strength & athleticism by NBA standards to be a rotational player & to have a longer career in that league.
This makes me realize while despite of his exceptional skills, Kai Sotto isn't ranked that high in the NBA mock draft. The way I see it, in terms of pure basketball skills, Kai is better than a number of current NBA centers. But Kai isn't as athletic & as strong by NBA standards.
Therefore I expect that a young 7-footer with significantly inferior skills but with significantly better physical attributes than Kai Sotto - athleticism & physical strength, would have a better chance of making it to the NBA & would have a longer NBA career than Kai. So I think it would make more sense that Kai gets physically stronger rather than just mainly improve his basketball skills.
Last edited by Alex07; 08-15-2020, 04:53 AM."How small ball works: Tall Skilled beats small skilled every time,but small skilled beats tall stiff every time" - Kevin McHale
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I think to become an NBA rotational big man, you must be athletic & super strong. Yi Jian Lian is athletic but isn't strong by NBA standards."A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV
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Originally posted by JAMSKIE View PostI think to become an NBA rotational big man, you must be athletic & super strong. Yi Jian Lian is athletic but isn't strong by NBA standards.
"How small ball works: Tall Skilled beats small skilled every time,but small skilled beats tall stiff every time" - Kevin McHale
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Originally posted by JAMSKIE View PostI think to become an NBA rotational big man, you must be athletic & super strong. Yi Jian Lian is athletic but isn't strong by NBA standards.GILAS WISHLIST:
6'8 Pingris
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Dwight Howard can actually shoot 3s, Yi actually is athletic by nba standards as well and while not Dwight Howard he’s strong as well, Yi could still earn spots if he wanted in the nba but as a role player because his skill is at that level but he plays in China where he can be a star. Dwight didn’t need to shoot to dominate so he never practiced it in game. Basketball is a fast game of instinct and people tend to go to what they are comfortable with which is why having the repitions/practice is important. It builds confidence and with confidence you’ll be able to use it in game. Game adds pressure because you’re trying to win and that’s why guys like Dwight Howard don’t shoot 3s in game because they’ve never needed to use it in game to win before. In practice there is not pressure so he can shoot all he wants.
Shaq showing off his shooting
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