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    Quote Originally Posted by digitalsuperman View Post
    thats a good move actually. lets see how he blends in with the players. it is very important that the players themselves is comfortable with the coach and vice versa.
    Agree, coach yeng and prev gilas looks not comfortable with each other. Making Junmar a screener. Benching bolick and perez for kiefer.
    Pogoy and Troy cannot shine the way they shine in tnt.
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    The coach must be able to connect with his players. And by doing it, he wil maximize strength and limit weaknesses of each player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
    Agree, coach yeng and prev gilas looks not comfortable with each other. Making Junmar a screener. Benching bolick and perez for kiefer.
    Pogoy and Troy cannot shine the way they shine in tnt.
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    The coach must be able to connect with his players. And by doing it, he wil maximize strength and limit weaknesses of each player.
    seems like everything is falling into place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by analyzed View Post
    Tab is essentially the current head coach (not in title only) much like Pat Riley was the head coach , then turned GM , with Spoelstra holding Head coach title (but for the 1st few years at least - Riley was really pulling the strings) , realistically the transition process is all of 2020 Tab is still hands on head (makes all the decisions) , it's only in 2021 probably that thhe assigned head coach play that role with a gradual transition of hands on coaching by Tab moving to essentailly an understudy.

    for all intent of purposes that is the real situation, of course the offcial line is something different for the purpose of managing stakeholders essentially

    Put it this way , what Tab is doing now in terms of activities is exactly the same thing he was doing in early 2015 when he was offically assigned head coach of Gilas, nothing different ! Dickel , Nenad and Sandy , essentially have replaced role of Compton, Alapag and Uichico..
    I like this set-up

    For as long Tab has a hand on the National team, I'm confident everything will turn out just fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAMSKIE View Post
    I like this set-up

    For as long Tab has a hand on the National team, I'm confident everything will turn out just fine.
    its the perfect setup in my opinion. tab now knows what will work in ph hoops. so his inputs are very well valuable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by digitalsuperman View Post
    its the perfect setup in my opinion. tab now knows what will work in ph hoops. so his inputs are very well valuable.
    Like Tab Baldwin telling the next Gilas coach what to say & what not to say regarding Phi basketball, the PBA, this player, that player, etc.

    "Don't say things like 'player A may be the most valuable & most dominant player in the PBA, but he is just another big man in international basketball', otherwise you will get kick in the butts & be ridiculed by Pinoy fans. So better bite your tongue"
    "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAMSKIE View Post
    Like Tab Baldwin telling the next Gilas coach what to say & what not to say regarding Phi basketball, the PBA, this player, that player, etc.

    "Don't say things like 'player A may be the most valuable & most dominant player in the PBA, but he is just another big man in international basketball', otherwise you will get kick in the butts & be ridiculed by Pinoy fans. So better bite your tongue"
    lol. true. thats the problem of pinoy passionate fans. konting criticism ayun para nang tumae nang bubog. sheesh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAMSKIE View Post
    Like Tab Baldwin telling the next Gilas coach what to say & what not to say regarding Phi basketball, the PBA, this player, that player, etc.

    "Don't say things like 'player A may be the most valuable & most dominant player in the PBA, but he is just another big man in international basketball', otherwise you will get kick in the butts & be ridiculed by Pinoy fans. So better bite your tongue"
    Well think about it if Tab was the official head coach and wala si Junmar sa pool, patay na! Media disaster yun

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    Paano na yun if the coaching staff assessment is the best big man combo is Japeth and Standhardinger, (does not include MVP Junmar), patay!
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    Quote Originally Posted by analyzed View Post
    Well think about it if Tab was the official head coach and wala si Junmar sa pool, patay na! Media disaster yun
    Haha. One of the main reasons coach tab is not the head coach. Looks like coach tab don't want to be blame anymore. If gilas underperform, all blame will be on the coach. Like coach yeng, he is the one who took the blame. Many fans did not even know who is the program director back then.

    In contrary, if the gilas succeeds, the coach would be the one recognize. Coach tab would be a forgotten man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by analyzed View Post
    Well think about it if Tab was the official head coach and wala si Junmar sa pool, patay na! Media disaster yun
    That would be a mortal sin in Phi basketball.

    Criticizing or uttering negative comments about Junmar is considered "blasphemous" by some Pinoy basketball fans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by analyzed View Post
    Paano na yun if the coaching staff assessment is the best big man combo is Japeth and Standhardinger, (does not include MVP Junmar), patay!
    If CS is a local, that may be the case. But in the future windows Cs would be replaced by maybe a wing np. Then we need to bring back junmar.

    CS/Japeth are great tandem. But theybare not legit big men. Remember how Pau Gasol and Marc Gasol dominates the fiba. Junmar is only second to Pau in 2014 Fiba. He can be dominant as Gasol brothers if he has given the chance(maybe not as dominating, but still).
    I doubt Cs and Japeth can do that.

    Even I am a ginebra fan. I know Japeth is great in Pba. But not in gilas. He cannot do what he normally do in the pba. Je cant block faster players, he cant defend more agile players.

    As for Cstand, if he is local, he may have a chance to snatch junmar spot. But he's not. So he is contending with brownlee,jones, and cmac. Very tough.

    Lastly, I doubt Coach tab will not get Junmar if he is the coach. He planned junmar to be the main man back in his gilas era. But smc didn't alloe junmar. Oh. Wait Is this payback time!

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    Well when you put Kai and AJ in the equation (both are not considered naturalized), then you factor in Gilas wants to play up tempo,
    And lastly we're already qualified for WC
    Then I would argue CS is more vital player compared to JM moving forward. He's part of the plan, Junmar may not necessarily be (oops may offend.. and is a mortal sin to say). Sorry na lang..
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    Quote Originally Posted by analyzed View Post
    Well when you put Kai and AJ in the equation (both are not considered naturalized), then you factor in Gilas wants to play up tempo,
    And lastly we're already qualified for WC
    Then I would argue CS is more vital player compared to JM moving forward. He's part of the plan, Junmar may not necessarily be (oops may offend.. and is a mortal sin to say). Sorry na lang..
    Kai/Aj is the future. Junmar will be the leader for them.

    Again if CS is local, Junmar vs Cs would have more sense. But Cs is ineligible. He will be replaced by nba caliber np.

    Agree that CS is more fit than Junmar. But why choose. You can have Kai/AJ/CS/Junmar in a team. But again CS is ineligible, meaning Junmar
    Is more valuable because he is eligible.

    Junmar is not a bad player. He once outplayed Dieng and Ndiaye. And he is not even in his prime.

    Sbp has said that Junmar will be in the future. They never said that CS will be included in the future. Hence CS is an option only. Actually the last option.

    Again, I am agreeing that CS is more fit in uptempo style than Junmar. But CD ineligibility issues are the killers of hia gilas dream

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    I respect what you're saying and opinions, not saying Junmar is a bad player or anything..

    Just don't be surprise if he is no longer a core part of the plan for the current coaching staff.
    Of course basketball stakeholders think otherwise.. After all he is many time MVP..

    They're simply different perspectives as hard as it is to believe a many time MVP may not be in the plans of others.
    No need to argue with me, they're not my plans..

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    Quote Originally Posted by analyzed View Post
    I respect what you're saying and opinions, not saying Junmar is a bad player or anything..

    Just don't be surprise if he is no longer a core part of the plan for the current coaching staff.
    Of course basketball stakeholders think otherwise.. After all he is many time MVP..

    They're simply different perspectives as hard as it is to believe a many time MVP may not be in the plans of others.
    No need to argue with me, they're not my plans..
    Yeah. Well actually I will not be surprised if they decides to not include junmar in 2023. If Kai and Aj will get to their top potential.
    I just wantvto include junmar for veteran leadership in gilas. Cstand doesn't have enough experience in gilas.

    But I am sure Junmar would be selected because as you said, filipinos will bash them. And SMC will NEVER again lend players.That would be a big problem.

    We all know SMC teams have the beat players. If Im not mistaken, last 3 years its either san miguel,ginebra,purefoods winning the championship.

    So Coaching staff and SBP must not go against junmar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
    Yeah. Well actually I will not be surprised if they decides to not include junmar in 2023. If Kai and Aj will get to their top potential.
    I just wantvto include junmar for veteran leadership in gilas. Cstand doesn't have enough experience in gilas.

    But I am sure Junmar would be selected because as you said, filipinos will bash them. And SMC will NEVER again lend players.That would be a big problem.

    We all know SMC teams have the beat players. If Im not mistaken, last 3 years its either san miguel,ginebra,purefoods winning the championship.

    So Coaching staff and SBP must not go against junmar.
    Yeah.. It's hard to criticize Junmar.. He is still our best player, SBP still needs Junmar until 2023, But for now eh Junmar needs to rest.. He plays every single tournament internationally since 2017.. He has no real off-season.. Give him a break, and Gilas don't need Junmar for now vs Thais and Indons.. CS can take care of these bigs of our 1st window opponent..

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    Quote Originally Posted by fthesaint View Post
    Politics whether we like it or not will always be involved in our day to day life. You live in the Philippines or to the farthest corner of Timbukto, there will always be " pulitika. " In your workplace, in your club, church, etc... politics is always around. For me, the more important is political will especially from our main basketball federation. They know that CTB is the most logical man to lead our team but what are they doing?
    they are trying to cover the social media backlash this early if things didnt pan out well again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robert0326 View Post
    Yeah.. It's hard to criticize Junmar.. He is still our best player, SBP still needs Junmar until 2023, But for now eh Junmar needs to rest.. He plays every single tournament internationally since 2017.. He has no real off-season.. Give him a break, and Gilas don't need Junmar for now vs Thais and Indons.. CS can take care of these bigs of our 1st window opponent..
    Jmf would be bring back in korea game. CS would be replaced by maybe brownlee(the quickest that can be naturalized)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
    Jmf would be bring back in korea game. CS would be replaced by maybe brownlee(the quickest that can be naturalized)
    If only Brownlee is around 27 years of age. I think its a bit late for Gilas having Brownlee as a naturalized player since he's already around 31. He only has about 3 to 4 good years left as our naturalized player.

    We have to remember, its not that easy to naturalized someone here in the Phi. We are not like Lebanon, Jordan, or Qatar who can naturalized player overnight. So we must really choose our options wisely. While the SBP is planning to have a No. of naturalized players so that Gilas will have some spare tires in case a naturalized player is injured or indisposed, the reality is, we can only have 2 or perhaps 3, at the most, naturalized players at our disposal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAMSKIE View Post
    If only Brownlee is around 27 years of age. I think its a bit late for Gilas having Brownlee as a naturalized player since he's already around 31. He only has about 3 to 4 good years left as our naturalized player.

    We have to remember, its not that easy to naturalized someone here in the Phi. We are not like Lebanon, Jordan, or Qatar who can naturalized player overnight. So we must really choose our options wisely. While the SBP is planning to have a No. of naturalized players so that Gilas will have some spare tires in case a naturalized player is injured or indisposed, the reality is, we can only have 2 or perhaps 3, at the most, naturalized players at our disposal.
    Brownlee is a temporary NP. Maybe this year only. While waiting gor apptoval on our other NPs.

    Brownlee passed his docu years ago. He must be the firat one to be np.

    Cmac and jones will take a long time

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