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    Quote Originally Posted by digitalsuperman View Post
    Well old school Filipino basketball point of view and beliefs is very much inculcated on the mind on this old fellow, that is also one of the main reason why the basketball philosophy and culture of this country is not improving because old school approach is(still)very much implemented on our basketball landscape..that is why I am more enthusiastic on the batch of Kai, AJ, Raven, Carl and Geo they are culture changer so to speak if only someone out there who has the pocket and audacity to make these thing to happen...expose and train them the European way.

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    Two of the most controversial players share their insights, Romeo and Paras. I'm a bit worried about Kobe, he really has this gloomy aura. Romeo is a lot more sensible that what I expected of him.

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    http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2...rican-ball-hog

    Wow this was all Pinoy Ball, Ive never imagined saying that Joe Lipa was way ahead of his time.. and BAP philosophy were way ahead its time..
    To becomes Asia's Best, we need to compete against the World's Best..

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    Quote Originally Posted by reamily View Post
    http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2...rican-ball-hog

    Wow this was all Pinoy Ball, Ive never imagined saying that Joe Lipa was way ahead of his time.. and BAP philosophy were way ahead its time..
    Sorry, I missed out on your point? What exactly were you referring here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay P. Mercado View Post
    Sorry, I missed out on your point? What exactly were you referring here?
    the statement if popovich... you take away all the game plan and strategies.. the team who shoot the 3 ball better wins simple basketball

    small ball era.. we have a chance to make that happen imo..
    To becomes Asia's Best, we need to compete against the World's Best..

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    Was that Joe Lipa? For what I can recall, the very first coach in the PHL who utilized the 3-point shot as a primary offensive weaopn was Ron Jacobs.

    Most of the glorious victorious of the NCC national team can be traced to our impeccable outside shooting. In the 1985 ABC, Caidic, Lim and Pumaren were our weapons. As early as 1982, in the Asian Youth (U19) tournament held here in Manila, Jacobs unleashed Alfie Almario who became an overnight sensation because of his accuracy from beyond the arc. Jacobs even had Naning Valenciano as an alternate in the team, but there was no need for his services as Almario did most of the damage. In the 1985 Jones Cup, we defeated the Golden Eagles US NCAA selection in OT, 108-100, when Chip Engelland sizzled for 43 points, 21 of which came from rainbow territory. He was helped out by Samboy and Allan who also came through with clutch treys. In the 1985 World Interclub, the same troika was responsible for giving us a major victory against Italian club champion team, Banco Di Roma, while losing to the Brazilian ballclub team by a point.

    Jacobs knew that the only way to be competitive against the taller opposing teams was to use the three point shot as a major offensive artillery. Curiously, Jacobs employed a stifling interior defense anchored on Dennis Still and Jeff Moore, while stating that he'd rather be beaten by teams from the outside. He didn't fear the Chinese, no matter how tall, strong and dominant they are simply because he knew that they didn't have the mental toughness when the game is close or when they don't have the lead. He actually feared the Koreans more because it forced his interior defense to open up just to follow their shooters and go around multiple screens. His fear is not unfounded - the Sokors were capable of exposing Jacobs' defensive chink in the armour as Caidic and Lim are not notable perimeter defenders. They still won though, a testament to Jacobs' brilliance. To my recollection, we never lost to China nor South Korea with Jacobs as head coach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay P. Mercado View Post
    Was that Joe Lipa? For what I can recall, the very first coach in the PHL who utilized the 3-point shot as a primary offensive weaopn was Ron Jacobs.

    Most of the glorious victorious of the NCC national team can be traced to our impeccable outside shooting. In the 1985 ABC, Caidic, Lim and Pumaren were our weapons. As early as 1982, in the Asian Youth (U19) tournament held here in Manila, Jacobs unleashed Alfie Almario who became an overnight sensation because of his accuracy from beyond the arc. Jacobs even had Naning Valenciano as an alternate in the team, but there was no need for his services as Almario did most of the damage. In the 1985 Jones Cup, we defeated the Golden Eagles US NCAA selection in OT, 108-100, when Chip Engelland sizzled for 43 points, 21 of which came from rainbow territory. He was helped out by Samboy and Allan who also came through with clutch treys. In the 1985 World Interclub, the same troika was responsible for giving us a major victory against Italian club champion team, Banco Di Roma, while losing to the Brazilian ballclub team by a point.

    Jacobs knew that the only way to be competitive against the taller opposing teams was to use the three point shot as a major offensive artillery. Curiously, Jacobs employed a stifling interior defense anchored on Dennis Still and Jeff Moore, while stating that he'd rather be beaten by teams from the outside. He didn't fear the Chinese, no matter how tall, strong and dominant they are simply because he knew that they didn't have the mental toughness when the game is close or when they don't have the lead. He actually feared the Koreans more because it forced his interior defense to open up just to follow their shooters and go around multiple screens. His fear is not unfounded - the Sokors were capable of exposing Jacobs' defensive chink in the armour as Caidic and Lim are not notable perimeter defenders. They still won though, a testament to Jacobs' brilliance. To my recollection, we never lost to China nor South Korea with Jacobs as head coach.
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    I guess this explains Chot coached Gilas avoiding mid-range shots like the plague. And why CYG, not an analytics coach, isn't burdened by such "trivialities"
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    Quote Originally Posted by reamily View Post
    http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2...rican-ball-hog

    Wow this was all Pinoy Ball, Ive never imagined saying that Joe Lipa was way ahead of his time.. and BAP philosophy were way ahead its time..
    I think you missed totally the point of the article, the point wasn't about a particular coaching style or systems and players having to fit into the specific coaches system, but how coaching has to change to the new breed of perimeter oriented skilled tall players able to guard the perimeter as well without fouling (new rules), in a sense Junmar is our version of old school Carmelo Anthony iso ball that does not defend the perimeter (bigs were never expected to do this before but we're expected to hold ground), which brings up the point of Pop there no longer any intangible specialist and to build strategies around those roles. NOW everyone basically is a guard (position less) which from a coaching standpoint makes coaching less relevant or having any much influence on the game, the players (All guard skills), even bigs make the calls on the court.
    It isn't really remotely relevant to Pinoy basketball in the 90s as players then were very position specific, non of the bigs except Fernandez maybe had guard skills (but he could not shoot 3s), so really not relevant, and of course bigs weren't expected to guard the perimeter
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    Quote Originally Posted by reamily View Post
    http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2...rican-ball-hog

    Wow this was all Pinoy Ball, Ive never imagined saying that Joe Lipa was way ahead of his time.. and BAP philosophy were way ahead its time..
    I think you missed totally the point of the article, the point wasn't about a particular coaching style or systems and players having to fit into the specific coaches system, but how coaching has to change to the new breed of perimeter oriented skilled tall players able to guard the perimeter as well without fouling (new rules), in a sense Junmar is our version of old school Carmelo Anthony iso ball that does not defend the perimeter (bigs were never expected to do this before but we're expected to hold ground), which brings up the point of Pop there no longer any intangible specialist and to build strategies around those roles. NOW everyone basically is a guard (position less) which from a coaching standpoint makes coaching less relevant or having any much influence on the game, the players (All guard skills), even bigs make the calls on the court.
    It isn't really remotely relevant to Pinoy basketball in the 80s as players then were very position specific, non of the bigs except Fernandez maybe had guard skills (but he could not shoot 3s), so really not relevant, and of course bigs weren't expected to guard the perimeter
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    In a sense the modern day "analytically correct" way to play originated from FIBA and Euro basketball style, (big shooting 3's) the 5th window Gilas games vs Kaz & Iran is reflective of this style (bigs shooting 3's , and nagating any one on one low post talent advantage we supposedly have (no longer analytically effective in today's game) , basically it forced Yeng to play Gabe at 4 to keep at step , Junmar having a negative plus minus, & Greg being useless.
    Make no mistake it's tall players playing small/perimeter not small players trying to compete using speed that's different (like Pinoy ball)
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    With parks move to MVP Meralco I think. GABE can eventually retire from Gilas
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    Quote Originally Posted by analyzed View Post
    With parks move to MVP Meralco I think. GABE can eventually retire from Gilas

    Gilas will finally get a truly combo guard,in the years to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by analyzed View Post
    With parks move to MVP Meralco I think. GABE can eventually retire from Gilas
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    Gilas will finally get a truly combo guard,in the years to come.
    How I wish Parks' outside shooting is better & more consistent than what it seems.

    I like Parks' passing, defense & slashing moves. And he is smart. Though he has the tendency to become passive on offense. But in a talent laden team like Gilas, Parks' passive attitude on offense would be mitigated.
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    hope he joins the team in the 6th window.. thats my only wish for now..I hope that parks familiarity to fiba games would be a plus..
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    Quote Originally Posted by reamily View Post
    hope he joins the team in the 6th window.. thats my only wish for now..I hope that parks familiarity to fiba games would be a plus..
    Maybe Parks in place for the useless Matt Wright
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAMSKIE View Post
    Maybe Parks in place for the useless Matt Wright
    not sure what the hell is wrong with wright. seems to be not a good shooter anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by digitalsuperman View Post
    not sure what the hell is wrong with wright. seems to be not a good shooter anymore.
    He did well with the Gilas cadets in last year's Jones Cup & last year's FIBA Asia Cup. But in the world cup qualifiers he is a dud.

    He had a very impressive stats in his senior year at St. Bonaventure: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb...-wright-1.html, an NCAA Div. 1 school.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAMSKIE View Post
    He did well with the Gilas cadets in last year's Jones Cup & last year's FIBA Asia Cup. But in the world cup qualifiers he is a dud.

    He had a very impressive stats in his senior year at St. Bonaventure: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb...-wright-1.html, an NCAA Div. 1 school.
    past is moot now. he should be improving. but damn he seems to be going to the opposite direction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by digitalsuperman View Post
    past is moot now. he should be improving. but damn he seems to be going to the opposite direction.
    Of course it is. As the saying goes, a player is only good as in his last game.

    Honestly, I expected Wright to be slightly better than Marcio Lassiter, offense-wise, as far as FIBA basketball is concerned.
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