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    Quote Originally Posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
    He will. Dave is a better scorer than pogoy now. Dave scored heavily aginst future nba players in fiba u16.
    Dont know about the defense though.

    In terms of shooting, Dave cam surpass Pogoy easily when his time comes
    And Dave I. is about 2 inches taller than Pogoy, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by analyzed View Post
    https://tiebreakertimes.com.ph/tbt/t...e-wrong/124086

    What I've been saying all these years at the expense of coming out as a hater and demeaning. It is what it is
    "Having watched UAAP games, it’s more like a track meet than a basketball game sometimes" - LOL seems to sum up Philippine basketball. At least there is a ray of light with Tab and Ateneo at UAAP, in some way they are paving the way to change the culture at college basketball level. Meanwhile PBA is a lost cause.

    My fantasy setup will be, SBP revives the Gilas 1 program (maybe with the help/sponsor of Chooks and MVP). Get 5 of the best college players today (offer them max PBA like contract), a naturalized player, and let them play/train in the ABL. (I think we only need a core of 5 to 6 players plus Aj and Kai when available). In this way, PBA can go on their insular ways while our national team doesn't suffer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by analyzed View Post
    You don't know what you're talking about, trust me. Especially when you're basing things on what the media reported and not from the mouth itself clarifying what he meant. Who in his right mind would trust the former (media report over the latter (explanation from Tab on what he meant), have you heard Tab's explanation? Of course not! So how can you know what you're talking about!
    What media report are you talking about? I'm not sure if you can really call Eric Menk a mediaman. Besides, he wasn't merely relaying or reporting what tab said, he asked the latter to talk about kai and the latter spoke his mind and it was no different from how the media reported on it. Manong, it was on a podcast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judasmartel View Post
    That's a lot of young talent, Arakji can be at least top 5 PG in Asia in the future, and wow, Fadi's son at such a young age plays just like him in his prime? Will he suit up for Lebanon in this year's FIBA U16 or in the next one?

    As someone else mentioned, the Philippines, Lebanon, and Japan can well be the future Big 3 of Asia if all things go well. So many future dark horse or legit championship contenders in Asia right now. Bahrain and Saudi just got a bit stronger than before, Qatar is weak now but can surprise everyone if their foreign-born locals develop.

    What happened to Ahmad Ibrahim though? He was your main guy in 2015, but now he's no longer on your team. Why?
    I think the son of El Khatib is still young for the next Fiba u16 maybe the next one.

    Ahmad Ibrahim is a very good player but with a very low IQ plus a very bad behaviour. It's the type of player who can win you a game or at the same time lose you one.
    Local coaches and foreign coaches tried but unfortunately he is not listening to anyone of them.
    After all basketball is a team sport. You can be the most talented player but if you play alone, you will lose for sure.

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    Ahmad ibrahim is alegit 6'6 6'7 giy who can score inside and outside in asian level.. mahusay
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    Quote Originally Posted by astigram04 View Post
    What media report are you talking about? I'm not sure if you can really call Eric Menk a mediaman. Besides, he wasn't merely relaying or reporting what tab said, he asked the latter to talk about kai and the latter spoke his mind and it was no different from how the media reported on it. Manong, it was on a podcast.
    You just admitted the media reported on it (Kai) in your post, what other report could we be talking about? And the person (Tab) who the report was attributed to doesn't have the opportunity to correct and clarify the wrong impression reported? Shouldn't the corrected and clarified message, be what someone explains what he really means?
    That's really one of the issues in the Philippines there is so much wrong information or impression, with how everything is inaccurately reported.
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    Quote Originally Posted by analyzed View Post
    You just admitted the media reported on it (Kai) in your post, what other report could we be talking about? And the person (Tab) who the report was attributed to doesn't have the opportunity to correct and clarify the wrong impression reported? Shouldn't the corrected and clarified message, be what someone explains what he really means?
    That's really one of the issues in the Philippines there is so much wrong information or impression, with how everything is inaccurately reported.
    Lol I never denied that the media reported on it. Problem is you have been claiming of false news or that the media took him out of context so I pointed out that what the media "reported" is just the same as what he spoke in the Menk podcast as if they quoted him verbatim from that podcast. The use of the descriptive word "report" is actually appropriate here as the media "reported" it as is. Now, if the media quotes him and makes a commentary on that, hindi na ho report ang tawag dun. And in this case, it seems that your problem really is on the impression tab impressed upon with his statements. Something that which isn't dependent on the "reporter" but on the readers and the listeners (for those who tuned in on the podcast).

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    Question: did I read reports right, and Dickel is pushing for just once a week training, even if the guys in the pool are full NT players?

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulrenzo View Post
    Question: did I read reports right, and Dickel is pushing for just once a week training, even if the guys in the pool are full NT players?
    He's just referring to the PBA players, this is a classic example of how a statement "reported" litterally will be taken "as is" (rightfully so). As a coach like Dickel doesn't have the opportunity to pick accurately all his words and is just simply speaking his mind in response to question, "how often will this team practice?
    If given an opportunity to explain further, I'm sure he can clarify that the special draft players can practice more than once a week
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lebasketball View Post
    I think the son of El Khatib is still young for the next Fiba u16 maybe the next one.

    Ahmad Ibrahim is a very good player but with a very low IQ plus a very bad behaviour. It's the type of player who can win you a game or at the same time lose you one.
    Local coaches and foreign coaches tried but unfortunately he is not listening to anyone of them.
    After all basketball is a team sport. You can be the most talented player but if you play alone, you will lose for sure.
    No offense sir. But my take about lebanon this last years are inconsistent.

    There are times lebanon will be in the level of philippines/japan/taipei. But sometimes they are in the level of kazakhztan/Qatar.

    But looking at your young players, looks like lebanon will also be a contender in fiba asia. Arguably top 5 or 6 not counting nz or aus.

    Oh. Sad for Ibrahim, he must listen. Reminds me of our Kobe Paras

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lebasketball View Post
    I think the son of El Khatib is still young for the next Fiba u16 maybe the next one.

    Ahmad Ibrahim is a very good player but with a very low IQ plus a very bad behaviour. It's the type of player who can win you a game or at the same time lose you one.
    Local coaches and foreign coaches tried but unfortunately he is not listening to anyone of them.
    After all basketball is a team sport. You can be the most talented player but if you play alone, you will lose for sure.
    About 6 years ago, I thought Ahmad Ibrahim would be Fadi El Khatib's heir apparent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
    No offense sir. But my take about lebanon this last years are inconsistent.

    There are times lebanon will be in the level of philippines/japan/taipei. But sometimes they are in the level of kazakhztan/Qatar.

    But looking at your young players, looks like lebanon will also be a contender in fiba asia. Arguably top 5 or 6 not counting nz or aus.

    Oh. Sad for Ibrahim, he must listen. Reminds me of our Kobe Paras
    Qatar, 6 to 8 years ago wasn't that bad. Its only in the last 4 years that Qatar basketball has declined so much. Remember, Qatar beat the Chot Reyes-mentored Gilas-2 team in the 2012 FIBA Asia Stankovic Cup.

    My point is that, putting Lebanon within the same level as Qatar 6 or 8 years ago doesn't really demean Lebanese basketball.
    "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulrenzo View Post
    Question: did I read reports right, and Dickel is pushing for just once a week training, even if the guys in the pool are full NT players?
    Quote Originally Posted by analyzed View Post
    He's just referring to the PBA players, this is a classic example of how a statement "reported" litterally will be taken "as is" (rightfully so). As a coach like Dickel doesn't have the opportunity to pick accurately all his words and is just simply speaking his mind in response to question, "how often will this team practice?
    If given an opportunity to explain further, I'm sure he can clarify that the special draft players can practice more than once a week
    https://www.spin.ph/basketball/fiba/...=home_hybrid_2

    “Maybe it would be just to continue on once-a-week. Once it’s reconfirmed when the date is, then we get ready to play that game,” said Dickel.

    For the first window, the coaching staff selected a mix of players from the PBA as well as from the collegiate leagues. Dickel said he is also in the belief that the same team will be the one that will be under consideration against Thailand.


    I think you (analyzed) have a point bro.
    "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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    SBP in touch with McCullough, but talks still 'at a very early stage'
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    https://www.spin.ph/basketball/fiba/...=home_hybrid_2

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenarcher View Post
    SBP in touch with McCullough, but talks still 'at a very early stage'
    by REUBEN TERRADO
    12 HOURS AGO

    https://www.spin.ph/basketball/fiba/...=home_hybrid_2
    Makakatipid ang SBP. You can pay him in Jollibee GCs.

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    McCullough is a headcase. I read commercial intent as asking for the sun and moon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allmight View Post
    McCullough is a headcase. I read commercial intent as asking for the sun and moon.
    If that's the case, then it's better to just use the money in boosting the other aspects of the Gilas program. It's time we move away from relying to much on our naturalized player/mercenary. Time to move away from the "asa sa import" mentality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allmight View Post
    McCullough is a headcase. I read commercial intent as asking for the sun and moon.
    it has always been that way for naturalized players. the only thing is if its worth it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juan Lun View Post
    If that's the case, then it's better to just use the money in boosting the other aspects of the Gilas program. It's time we move away from relying to much on our naturalized player/mercenary. Time to move away from the "asa sa import" mentality.
    A well-rounded team, specifically the juniors who are 6-4 to 6-8 along with Kai, Edu and Kouame would be ok.

    Just ensure that guys like Tamayo, Chiu, Cortez, etc. develop to their peak. Better shooting overall, also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by el scorcho View Post
    A well-rounded team, specifically the juniors who are 6-4 to 6-8 along with Kai, Edu and Kouame would be ok.

    Just ensure that guys like Tamayo, Chiu, Cortez, etc. develop to their peak. Better shooting overall, also.
    That's true. Use the resource ($1 million Blatche contract*) to train these guys instead and have a permanent long term Gilas program that is not tied at all with the PBA. we have loads of talent outside the PBA - I'm not sure with remy martin's eligibility but if he's available we can have him and maybe dwight ramos as our starting back court.

    *just my speculation on how much we spent w/ blatche

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