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    Quote Originally Posted by Juan Lun View Post
    The problem lies within the coaches if that is the case. Having our naturalized players play in the PBA will be beneficial in the overall scheme since it will provide better competition for the league. PBA right now has near to zero interior defense. By having the likes of Blatche, Kouame, Douthit play balances the league. The likes of Jun mar, Japeth and greg will have the chance to play against better competition. Jun Mar will be forced to use more of his skills rather than just imposing his size and brute force. We shouldn't sacrifice competition because of our coach's lack of talent to develop players.
    Well I agree naman, but my concern is will thr pba teams not bench their big man in favor of the np and imports

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    Quote Originally Posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
    Well I agree naman, but my concern is will thr pba teams not bench their big man in favor of the np and imports
    that would be a natural thing if you are a coach.it's not as if you could field in 6 players at the same time.that's the coach's prerogative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zairex View Post
    Why did you say that PBA has zero interior defense?
    I mean near zero interior defense, or in other words mediocre interior defense. One clear reason will be the lack of bigs. There's a reason why we are intimidated by the likes of China and Iran, why when it comes internationally we are bothered by the length of our opponents. Locally Japeth is the closest above the rim shot blocker that we have, guys like Greg, Asi, JMF, reavis are tall but can barely jump. Same can be said with our local coaches, Tab can't coach locally because he will be taking their jobs. It's really insular and counter productive. The results are showing, our SEA neighbors are catching up and we're still below the likes of Korea, China, Iran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
    Well I agree naman, but my concern is will thr pba teams not bench their big man in favor of the np and imports
    They will be if the naturalized player is playing better. The thing is we are not doing our local big men favors (In terms of improving their game) by not allowing better competition. Our goal should be to improve our local basketball in a whole

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juan Lun View Post
    I mean near zero interior defense, or in other words mediocre interior defense. One clear reason will be the lack of bigs. There's a reason why we are intimidated by the likes of China and Iran, why when it comes internationally we are bothered by the length of our opponents. Locally Japeth is the closest above the rim shot blocker that we have, guys like Greg, Asi, JMF, reavis are tall but can barely jump. Same can be said with our local coaches, Tab can't coach locally because he will be taking their jobs. It's really insular and counter productive. The results are showing, our SEA neighbors are catching up and we're still below the likes of Korea, China, Iran.
    Speaking of interior defenses, The Celtics last night showed how to counter Lakers menacing 7 footers. Celtics is full of interchangeable wing players and undersized bigs so they challenged the Lakers shot blockers AD, Javale and Howard. by:

    1. Over working A.D. from the get go, they drove on him and post him up early. He just came back from injury and it showed, he only played 22 mins.
    2. Out smarting Javale. He has at least 3 blocks before the 1st quarter ends, but clearly he cant block them all as Celtics forwards just lingered on the mid range and 3 point area as Javale tried to chase them. At the end, he was exposed when the Celtics start hitting their jumpers and he was left just to stand in the shaded lane like a dead-weight.
    3. Out working Dwight Howard. Well, this is easy, Dwight in his mind still thinks he is elite, but Theis out hustled him on all facets of the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dotch View Post
    Speaking of interior defenses, The Celtics last night showed how to counter Lakers menacing 7 footers. Celtics is full of interchangeable wing players and undersized bigs so they challenged the Lakers shot blockers AD, Javale and Howard. by:

    1. Over working A.D. from the get go, they drove on him and post him up early. He just came back from injury and it showed, he only played 22 mins.
    2. Out smarting Javale. He has at least 3 blocks before the 1st quarter ends, but clearly he cant block them all as Celtics forwards just lingered on the mid range and 3 point area as Javale tried to chase them. At the end, he was exposed when the Celtics start hitting their jumpers and he was left just to stand in the shaded lane like a dead-weight.
    3. Out working Dwight Howard. Well, this is easy, Dwight in his mind still thinks he is elite, but Theis out hustled him on all facets of the game.
    so their plan vs McGee was to shoot midrange to drive him out? That presupposes forwards are money from midrange. If they shoot poorly that tactic will not work
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    Quote Originally Posted by mangangalakal View Post
    so their plan vs McGee was to shoot midrange to drive him out? That presupposes forwards are money from midrange. If they shoot poorly that tactic will not work
    watch the tape, they're money

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dotch View Post
    watch the tape, they're money
    everyone has bad shooting days, more so here in the Philippines where sweet-shooting forwards are rare
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dotch View Post
    Speaking of interior defenses, The Celtics last night showed how to counter Lakers menacing 7 footers. Celtics is full of interchangeable wing players and undersized bigs so they challenged the Lakers shot blockers AD, Javale and Howard. by:

    1. Over working A.D. from the get go, they drove on him and post him up early. He just came back from injury and it showed, he only played 22 mins.
    2. Out smarting Javale. He has at least 3 blocks before the 1st quarter ends, but clearly he cant block them all as Celtics forwards just lingered on the mid range and 3 point area as Javale tried to chase them. At the end, he was exposed when the Celtics start hitting their jumpers and he was left just to stand in the shaded lane like a dead-weight.
    3. Out working Dwight Howard. Well, this is easy, Dwight in his mind still thinks he is elite, but Theis out hustled him on all facets of the game.
    True. That is the trade off from having bigs in the NBA today. If you have a 7 foot shot blocker in the shaded lane, you will have better interior defense however your team will be susceptible for 3s and mid range jumpers. The Lakers are able to get away with this lineup because Javale and AD are mobile enough that they don't give away a 3 on the defensive end. That's why we rarely see a post up game anymore. Traditionally, bigs that are really good in the post can't defend the 3 and are generally not good perimeter defender, that's the challenge of the modern big today. For me AD is a unicorn, offensively he can post up, hit 50 to 60% of his shots while defensively he is a great perimeter defender as well.

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    The Lakers close games, with AD at center and Kuzma at PF, both offensively and defensively that works best in the modern game

    Caruso, Green, Kuzma, LeBron, Davis

    They simply don't start with AD at center to save for fouls and energy to closeout games at center
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    While playing LeBron at PG, has really helped, the game has evolved where there are less specialist, but more versatility with all 5 being able to step out and be mobile yet all have decent length

    For Gilas don't be surprise if Dwight plays some PG on occasion
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juan Lun View Post
    They will be if the naturalized player is playing better. The thing is we are not doing our local big men favors (In terms of improving their game) by not allowing better competition. Our goal should be to improve our local basketball in a whole
    Thats why SMB/GINEBRA/Northport/Meralco must be banned to get an NP is the rule happens.

    This way Junmar,Greg, Cstand, Alamzan will improve by going against NP.

    But Im sure tjese teams will not agree

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    Quote Originally Posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
    Thats why SMB/GINEBRA/Northport/Meralco must be banned to get an NP is the rule happens.

    This way Junmar,Greg, Cstand, Alamzan will improve by going against NP.

    But Im sure tjese teams will not agree
    True, but our naturalized players will have to go to the draft which means the bottom teams will get the right to draft them which ideally should balance the league however we all know these bottom dweller teams are essentially "saling pusa" and our naturalized players will eventually end up with either SMB/Ginebra or TnT/Meralco. There lies the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by analyzed View Post
    While playing LeBron at PG, has really helped, the game has evolved where there are less specialist, but more versatility with all 5 being able to step out and be mobile yet all have decent length

    For Gilas don't be surprise if Dwight plays some PG on occasion
    OT, but whatevs... this forum is obsessed with very tall men, so here's a reason why being tall doesnt really equates to winning:

    Interesting game last night, Mavs vs LAC. Clips' 6'7 "bigman" Montrelz Harrell having his way vs 7'3 KP. So Mavs coach put in 7'4 Boban to help out. So both Euro-Giants (7'4 and 7'3) were in the court at the same time, this is aside from another Euro big 6'10 Maxi Kleber. For a brief moment the Mavs control the shaded lane, until Doc Rivers pulled Harrell out. LAC played its strength which is the perimeter game, and somewhat, the Mavs bigs have match-up problems on the defensive end.

    Offensive side, Boban was at the low post while KP in the 3 point area to space the floor, first possession was a success, as KP drained a corner 3, then the next 3 were duds. 3 attempts from KP in the 3 pt area produced a big fat zer0. Boban scored twice in the next 2 possessions, but LAC at this time continued to roll. Eventually KP and Boban were benched and it was Luka who made it really interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dotch View Post
    OT, but whatevs... this forum is obsessed with very tall men, so here's a reason why being tall doesnt really equates to winning:

    Boban were benched and it was Luka who made it really interesting.
    True... even when the Spurs were really competitive, while they would start with Duncan or Alridge together at the end of the game and in crunch time when they created seperation it was actually Kawhi who closing and playing a significant stretch ( most of 4th quarter) as the PF, with Duncan or Aldridge alternating at center.. And do note Duncan and Aldridge are quite versatile bigs.. The spacing just doesn't work, when both take up the strong side to be effective
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    Quote Originally Posted by analyzed View Post
    True... even when the Spurs were really competitive, while they would start with Duncan or Alridge together at the end of the game and in crunch time when they created seperation it was actually Kawhi who closing and playing a significant stretch ( most of 4th quarter) as the PF, with Duncan or Aldridge alternating at center.. And do note Duncan and Aldridge are quite versatile bigs.. The spacing just doesn't work, when both take up the strong side to be effective
    I believe Aldridge and Duncan are both problematic in PnR and close out defense thats why Kawhi gets minutes. Ofcourse his offense was great.

    Thou Cleveland made a good solution for this issue has they have two of the worst PnR defenders in Thomson and Love, in their run to the finals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by analyzed View Post
    The Lakers close games, with AD at center and Kuzma at PF, both offensively and defensively that works best in the modern game

    Caruso, Green, Kuzma, LeBron, Davis

    They simply don't start with AD at center to save for fouls and energy to closeout games at center
    So Chris McCullough who plays like Kuzma should be a good fit for the 4 position of Gilas since Kai and AJ will play the 5 position and occasionally the 4 position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    So Chris McCullough who plays like Kuzma should be a good fit for the 4 position of Gilas since Kai and AJ will play the 5 position and occasionally the 4 position.
    Yes if we had him, that would be excellent use of space, pace and skill

    The mistake one could make is since Chris can play SF to use all 3 together for long stretches.., that's really not how it works, just because each of the players can play their respective positions SF, PF and center it doesn't mean sabay mo lahat palagi, it's really not as simple as 1 +1+1=3, they're are spacing and mobility issues with that line-up and I'm not talking about with the ball but mostly working without the ball
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    Quote Originally Posted by analyzed View Post
    Yes if we had him, that would be excellent use of space, pace and skill

    The mistake one could make is since Chris can play SF to use all 3 together for long stretches.., that's really not how it works, just because each of the players can play their respective positions SF, PF and center it doesn't mean sabay mo lahat palagi, it's really not as simple as 1 +1+1=3, they're are spacing and mobility issues with that line-up and I'm not talking about with the ball but mostly working without the ball
    Do you a personal list as to the 12-16 players they are be going to choose for the World Cup 2023?

    I have mine:

    Kai Sotto 7 2
    AJ Edu 6 10
    Junemar Fajardo 6 10
    Japheth Aguilar 6 8
    Carl Tamayo 6 7
    Isaac Go 6 8
    Jordan Clarkson 6 5 NP
    Dave Ildefonso 6 4
    Dwight Ramos 6 4
    Thirdy Ravena 6 2
    JDL 6 2
    Dalph Panopio 6 0

    part of the pool
    Matt Nieto 5 10
    Alvin Pasaol 6 4
    Chris Mccullough 6 9
    Anj Kuoame 6 11
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    ]personal list as to the 12-18 players they are be going to choose for the World Cup 2023?

    mine:
    Kouame 6 10 -(Traditional center)

    (versatile real bigs)
    Kai Sotto 7 2
    AJ Edu 6 10

    (Stretch 4's)
    Troy Rosario 6 7
    Isaac Go 6 8

    (Versatile all around wings)
    Jordan Clarkson 6 5 NP
    Dave Ildefonso 6 4
    Dwight Ramos 6 5
    Thirdy Ravena 6 3

    (Combo guards)
    CJ Perez 6' 2
    Kiefer Ravena 6 0
    Dalph Panopio 6 1

    part of the pool
    Matt Nieto 5 10
    Baltazar 6' 7
    Navarro 6'5
    Tuffin 6'4
    Wright 6'4
    Kobe! 6 6
    1GDL

    updated .... (versatility, multi position focus) depending on how they develop.. It's essential Dave, Dwight and Dalph develop into high % 3 pt shooters or else you need Wright for insurance
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