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    Quote Originally Posted by ARMIR View Post
    Adequate coverage as in what? Including illegal aliens so you're ok for a state like Cali that keeps raising the taxes on the middle class mind you,so that everyone else will have a slice of pie.Maybe you want to move on a socialist country free everything,except your right to express your freedom.LA and SF is haven for freaking homeless and drug addict,and SF is known in the world as poop city.Their liberal solution is not enforcing and arresting but hire more than a dozen people in high paying job as poop city cleaners.Same with the addicts provide them needles instead of help.I've been in the Midwest Missouri,Kansas and even in South Carolina,where you can get hired according to your skills,unlike in Los Angeles where some Pinoys lost their jobs because of diversity,too many Pinoys and not enough "others".
    You've blown this out of proportion.

    I was simply referring to public healthcare coverage at the state level, which is not much to cover your medical bills (Kai is an athlete so there's a strong likelihood he will get injured at some point--I sure hope not). Kai, being a foreigner, needs proper medical insurance which is insanely expensive no matter where you go. It doesn't matter whether it's Kentucky or California. Healthcare insurance is expensive in America and that is for the average joe. Just imagine what it must be for athletes who need to be in top shape 24/7. I can't speak for Kentucky's public healthcare service but it better be good, otherwise Kai's family will need to spend a lot of money on private insurance.

    And in case you're wondering whether I'm a far left liberal as per American political standards, I'm far from it. Why? For starters, I'm an advocate of gun ownership and don't believe gun control works in curbing crime.
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    ukentucky produced bigs davis and cousins, along with rondo, to probably help the lakers win the championship this season. other very good graduated bigs are towns and kanter. heat has the smaller but still very good adebayo and herro. this is one of the better school that help aspiring bigs.

    but if he cant go there for some reason or another, a euro ball club where he can play as a young pro is still okay. the bottom line is still that he can substantially help any nba team as he will have a reasonable value in helping win an extra 20 games or so by 20-21. nba coaches like that kind of modest potential already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by interxavierxxx View Post
    You've blown this out of proportion.

    I was simply referring to public healthcare coverage at the state level, which is not much to cover your medical bills (Kai is an athlete so there's a strong likelihood he will get injured at some point--I sure hope not). Kai, being a foreigner, needs proper medical insurance which is insanely expensive no matter where you go. It doesn't matter whether it's Kentucky or California. Healthcare insurance is expensive in America and that is for the average joe. Just imagine what it must be for athletes who need to be in top shape 24/7. I can't speak for Kentucky's public healthcare service but it better be good, otherwise Kai's family will need to spend a lot of money on private insurance.

    And in case you're wondering whether I'm a far left liberal as per American political standards, I'm far from it. Why? For starters, I'm an advocate of gun ownership and don't believe gun control works in curbing crime.

    As far as health coverage,Kai will be under the university's health care,now his family,why do they have to be with him in the US?Is it really a whole family deal? Does anybody here who's close to the family,knows what they really want other than what the schools offer?

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    I am rather uneasy with the way Kai is being hyped right now. I prefer him to be rather low key a la Rui Hachimura. Look how much Kobe Paras was hyped and he didn't even crack the rotation in both Creighton and SoCal. Hachimura OTOH was a virtual unknown until he managed to crack the Gonzaga starting lineup and now he's in the NBA.
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    Not sure why all on here got salty when the Serbian coach said Gilas lacked any real quality. I mean isn't that glaringly obvious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judasmartel View Post
    I am rather uneasy with the way Kai is being hyped right now. I prefer him to be rather low key a la Rui Hachimura. Look how much Kobe Paras was hyped and he didn't even crack the rotation in both Creighton and SoCal. Hachimura OTOH was a virtual unknown until he managed to crack the Gonzaga starting lineup and now he's in the NBA.
    Hype is important for him to get media attention which will give us hope that NBA will draft him someday. Hype is needed just like what happened with Yao Ming and Ball family.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yogaflame View Post
    Hype is important for him to get media attention which will give us hope that NBA will draft him someday. Hype is needed just like what happened with Yao Ming and Ball family.

    Hype is good,overhyped is bad.As of now he doesn't need to be overhype,his play speaks for itself and that's how they will judge him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARMIR View Post
    Hype is good,overhyped is bad.As of now he doesn't need to be overhype,his play speaks for itself and that's how they will judge him.
    Fair enough. Let Kai's play speak for itself.
    Quote Originally Posted by gideon View Post
    Not sure why all on here got salty when the Serbian coach said Gilas lacked any real quality. I mean isn't that glaringly obvious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judasmartel View Post
    Fair enough. Let Kai's play speak for itself.

    I mean look,they rated him as a 4 star recruit with barely a few months playing in the US.The schools,scouts and even his own coach is not overhyping him,they just laid the facts,nothing more nothing less.Its from our side who's blowing it up a little bit out of proportion,but can't blame too much,its just the excitement for Kai and country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by interxavierxxx View Post
    You've blown this out of proportion.

    I was simply referring to public healthcare coverage at the state level, which is not much to cover your medical bills (Kai is an athlete so there's a strong likelihood he will get injured at some point--I sure hope not). Kai, being a foreigner, needs proper medical insurance which is insanely expensive no matter where you go. It doesn't matter whether it's Kentucky or California. Healthcare insurance is expensive in America and that is for the average joe. Just imagine what it must be for athletes who need to be in top shape 24/7. I can't speak for Kentucky's public healthcare service but it better be good, otherwise Kai's family will need to spend a lot of money on private insurance.

    And in case you're wondering whether I'm a far left liberal as per American political standards, I'm far from it. Why? For starters, I'm an advocate of gun ownership and don't believe gun control works in curbing crime.
    From what I know, athletes (same as entertainers) fall into a special visa category where they get GC by virtue of that. So technically, if you can't afford one, you still have the affordable insurance offered by the state, and you're legally entitled to it. I think they're not crazy enough to get private insurance (no one does) which will get you bankrupt in a month. Heck, my son's "tuli" could've gotten me close to $13K, if I don't have insurance! But with it, I only paid close to $2K, which is still crazy, to think that back in the day, bayabas and pukpok were enough for a 50 pesos "tuli" fee. Sorry for OT. lol.

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    Heck, a hospital tuli in the Philippines is around 10% of that cost at most.

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    With even US base high school players opting to go overssees and play for pro club teams ( Lamelo and RJ are projected to go 1 and 5 in mock 2020 NBA drafts) and more foreign pro based teenagers being drafted high.. The US NCAA is being forced to reconsider it's strick "amateur guidlines", the thing is it's still a lenghly process befor anything can take affect , the recent California law to allow College athletes to receive compensation for endorsemtns for example doesn't come in effect until 2023. furthermore the US NCAA is still to draft the exact guidlines in the move to receive some financial compensation , the absence of the detail being put into affect means status quo such as Wissman being declared ineligible for simply getting financial support for moving is still in effect.
    To me for sure lottery picks or one and done prospects , there are definitly better pathways than US NCAA.
    It's quite complicated for a player like Kai who comes from a basketball enviironment that is highly commercialised . It really is unrealistic for a player of his stature in the Philppines to receive little fianancial benefit considered inappropriate by US NCAA rules (which operates in a totally different environment) . The thing with the Philippines environment is support essentially comes from commercial and private enterprise and not governement or even Federation funded support. The former (private commercial funding of famiily) is considered inappropriate under the strict guidlinees of the US NCAA . (it's unfair as the rules actually don't apply well for Philippine soceity and system

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    Kai can have benefits just not excess benefits and yes you can pay their parents like Michael Porter Jr's dad becoming an assistant coach. Just make sure everything is on the up and up.

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    Look at the Enes Kanter case. His team admitted to paying him over 100k USD. He was deemed ineligible but only 33k of that money was deemed inappropriate. First I doubt MVP/Chooks will admit anything. Second lets cheer for Kai's prospects and not be crabs.

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    i've actually have dealt with a few foreign prospects, and trust me there is enough evidence for rival schools to question the inapproriatness of some of some of the obvious expenses Kai has incurred.

    there are guidlines for even oversees travel expense (flights and accommodation) that is openly promoted as support from a private enterprise ( CTG)

    oh discussing potential risk doesn't make a person a crab...

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    Quote Originally Posted by analyzed View Post
    i've actually have dealt with a few foreign prospects, and trust me there is enough evidence for rival schools to question the inapproriatness of some of some of the obvious expenses Kai has incurred.

    there are guidlines for even oversees travel expense (flights and accommodation) that is openly promoted as support from a private enterprise ( CTG)

    oh discussing potential risk doesn't make a person a crab...
    We can argue CTG is the sponsor of the Philippine team and all of it is done for the Philippine national program.

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    This is what confuses me. Eastwestprivate I assume would know how the ncaa works since they handle not just Asian but also American athletes including NBA guys. I have no clue the extent of their support but surely they would know this unless they have knowledge of something we don’t or know some loophole. It’s just a very strange situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikatrix View Post
    We can argue CTG is the sponsor of the Philippine team and all of it is done for the Philippine national program.
    Of course that will be an angle to use, whether it's accepted or not as valid is the concern . and here is the thing no school can get the all clearance that there is no risk , until after the fact - an investigation is requested. way after the player is offered a scholarship.. that's the risk the schools will be looking at when deciding to pursue him or not. I'm sure however there will be schools desperate that will however .. chance of getting a talent like Kai will always be enticing

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRodster21 View Post
    This is what confuses me. Eastwestprivate I assume would know how the ncaa works since they handle not just Asian but also American athletes including NBA guys. I have no clue the extent of their support but surely they would know this unless they have knowledge of something we don’t or know some loophole. It’s just a very strange situation.
    I'm sure they do , at the end it's a calculated risk ( reward vs risk scenario) , but thereis definitly a concern.. it's about managing it at the end .. bTW is East west the same outfit that brought the NBA stars to Phil for a failed all star game.. if so just goest to show the best and well meaning plans are not except from things going wrong.

    here is link, plan didn't go accoriding to plan, they knew the steps ..https://www.rappler.com/previous-art...0Private%20LLC
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    btw who is financing Kai's US/Euro training? CTG pa rin ba?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRodster21 View Post
    This is what confuses me. Eastwestprivate I assume would know how the ncaa works since they handle not just Asian but also American athletes including NBA guys. I have no clue the extent of their support but surely they would know this unless they have knowledge of something we don’t or know some loophole. It’s just a very strange situation.
    transplanting the whole family and providing housing is pretty obvious, next is does ervin even have a job

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