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    Quote Originally Posted by OSHAFA View Post
    Good Luck Team Pilipinas
    You can do it today
    Thanks for your encouraging words Oshafa
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    Quote Originally Posted by judasmartel View Post
    Not only in our country, sir. Practically any sporting event in the world has the scalping problems.

    As for the naturalized player issue, well, everyone's doing it, even the powerhouse teams are doing it.

    Team USA had Rolando Blackman of Panama and Hakeem Olajuwon of Nigeria before. Spain has Serge Ibaka of Congo and Nikola Mirotic of Montenegro. There are a lot of black guys in the French and Canadian teams, Croatia have naturalized PG's, Germany has Gabonese-German Dennis Schroder, the list goes on.

    Basically, basketball NTs naturalize players to meet needs.

    Obviously, most Asian teams lack size, so they naturalize bigmen. I don't know exactly why some Asian teams, like Korea and the Middle East teams get a naturalized SF instead of the usual C's, but I understand why teams like Kazakhstan and Qatar naturalize PG's.

    Speaking of naturalized PG's, some EU teams need someone who can bring up the ball and distribute it better, though Spain takes the naturalized bigman route. Although it's getting rarer now, naturalized PG's have their niches to fill in the years to come.

    It's amazing how China kept refusing to naturalize PG's to offset their traditional weakness of guard play, mostly out of national pride, and now with Guo Ailun and Zhao Jiwei they no longer even need to naturalize players anymore.
    The us team's got MJ, Barkley, Magic etc. Spain's got the gasol brothers and plenty of decent guard, france's got Toni Parker, Batum and Noah, none of these teams rely on their naturalized players to win games
    speaking of the Filipino team, without Blatche, they wouldnt even make it into the quarter finals

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    Why is naturalization suddenly being viewed as giving Gilas an unfair advantage? This is allowed by FIBA and this isn't the first time teams have fielded naturalized players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctongco View Post
    Why is naturalization suddenly being viewed as giving Gilas an unfair advantage? This is allowed by FIBA and this isn't the first time teams have fielded naturalized players.
    it depends on how you used the naturalization. imagine philippines is very weak in past decades when they were without naturalized player, now you insert a naturalized player who is above asia level, suddenly become gold contender.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_arkangel View Post
    Too bad for US that they did that for Ewing, Duncan, and Olajuwon. Add to that that it should be the Native Americans (Indians) who should be playing for the US and not by European immigrants and African slaves ancestry. Too bad also for Canada whose citizens shared similarity with the US. Yes, it should be the Native Americans who should be playing for US and Canada. That is a "pure" national team.
    The US team doesnt need Ewing, Ducan or Olajuwon to help them win games, they got plenty of other guys who can get it done
    Also, according to your theory, only pure Filipino guy should play in the Filipino National team, not those Spanish Filipinos.
    Probably you guys would have 6'5'' guys playing center.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctongco View Post
    Why is naturalization suddenly being viewed as giving Gilas an unfair advantage? This is allowed by FIBA and this isn't the first time teams have fielded naturalized players.
    An African American guy playing ASIAN game, lmfao

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zhang View Post
    it depends on how you used the naturalization. imagine philippines is very weak in past decades when they were without naturalized player, now you insert a naturalized player who is above asia level, suddenly become gold contender.
    The Philippines was already competitive since the the 80's. The only country we kept losing to was China. Then at Korea started beating us... then our old federation sent scrubs to tournaments... Then comes in this new federation and starts sending respectable and competitive teams. So can you still say only Blatche is making us a gold contender? Even if it was, what's wrong with it? No one was complaining when Lebanon, Jordan and other countries did it.

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    All nations are doing it. Lebanon, Jordan, Qatar, Taipei ... so philippines are not alone in the process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zhang View Post
    it depends on how you used the naturalization. imagine philippines is very weak in past decades when they were without naturalized player, now you insert a naturalized player who is above asia level, suddenly become gold contender.
    i don't know why you brought this now it seems for you only the philippines is using the naturalized player and also saying the philippines is very weak in past decade is wrong i think you said that because before we only send our best players in asian games not in fiba asia (formerly known as ABC)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctongco View Post
    The Philippines was already competitive since the the 80's. The only country we kept losing to was China. Then at Korea started beating us... then our old federation sent scrubs to tournaments... Then comes in this new federation and starts sending respectable and competitive teams. So can you still say only Blatche is making us a gold contender? Even if it was, what's wrong with it? No one was complaining when Lebanon, Jordan and other countries did it.
    Khatib and Abbass are both great players, I can't really name any filipino guy tho

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lebron James View Post
    Khatib and Abbass are both great players, I can't really name any filipino guy tho
    Jayson Castro William

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctongco View Post
    The Philippines was already competitive since the the 80's. The only country we kept losing to was China. Then at Korea started beating us... then our old federation sent scrubs to tournaments... Then comes in this new federation and starts sending respectable and competitive teams. So can you still say only Blatche is making us a gold contender? Even if it was, what's wrong with it? No one was complaining when Lebanon, Jordan and other countries did it.
    i think you were competitive before 80's, after that, when china start participating in international stage, you look very weak in china's perspective. every time when we face you the result is a blow-out. with the help of naturalization, you become a different team.

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    Dont feed the trolls chinese fans probably still bitter after the ass whooping from chinese taipei in the 2013 edition and yes they have an american center like the philippines

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    Quote Originally Posted by Softtouch View Post
    Dont feed the trolls chinese fans probably still bitter after the ass whooping from chinese taipei in the 2013 edition and yes they have an american center like the philippines
    yeah they beat by the team that they consider as a province of china

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zhang View Post
    i think you were competitive before 80's, after that, when china start participating in international stage, you look very weak in china's perspective. every time when we face you the result is a blow-out. with the help of naturalization, you become a different team.
    You just repeated what I said. We were very competitive, only having problems with China. In 1998, even Chinese NT players admitted that Filipinos were had about the same talent and skill as China (only shorter in height).

    The only time we sent a competitive team and got blown-out was 2002 Asian Games.

    Anyway, game should start in about 2 hours. Let's hope it will be a good game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eshmawi View Post
    Jayson Castro William
    He's mixed, not pure Filipino
    According to wiki, this guy was averaging 9 points in PBA, can't really consider him as a great player

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    so how about this one?

    Manny V. Pangilinan ‏@iamMVP 6m6 minutes ago
    Now it has begun. Our Gilas electric bus delayed. Failed to charge daw. Gilas arrival at stadium delayed. Less time for warm up.

    Manny V. Pangilinan ‏@iamMVP 2m2 minutes ago
    And some of our coaches no tickets!!!!! Wow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lebron James View Post
    He's mixed, not pure Filipino
    According to wiki, this guy was averaging 9 points in PBA, can't really consider him as a great player
    lolz what do you mean by mix? he's born here in the philippines yeah 9pts per game in the PBA but he's great in FIBA asia and best PG in 2013 FIBA Asia

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    Quote Originally Posted by black_thorne2001 View Post
    yeah they beat by the team that they consider as a province of china
    lol, no, they were not a province of china, they were independent, same with hong kong and macau, they were also not a part of china. but spratly islands is ours, try to save your lands, man. lol

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    I hope all this talk of naturalization is'nt an early excuse when Gilas beats china later on

    if china does not want to naturalize, that's their choice, they have no right to dictate to others on what they can do as long as it is within the rules.

    what's china fans upset about, their team is loaded with four 7 footers and they're playing at home, against a team with one player above 6'10", a back up center who is 42 years old, a shooter who is 38 years old, and a lot of small guys.

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