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    Writing this after 2nd quarter in game vs besiktas. You cant get mad that players are missing open looks and not delivering on the offence. But on defensive end... 49 pts allowed in a half... nothign has changed since last year.

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    Does Gudaitis understand in what kind of a shitty team he is right now.
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    Nicola is an idiot. More I watch Rytas, more reasons to say that. His obsession with Lukauskis can be grounded with anything, but the logic. Any time Lukauskis grabs the ball any combination stops, with his crab dribbling he usually end up doubled and locked, any time he's with the ball he wastes at least 4-5 seconds and he never creates anything simply passing out anywhere and possession is wasted, bricking shots. Like it wouldn't be enough he's slow coming of the screens, played crappy defence against Neptunas (the game is live now) and turned the ball over 3 times, but Nicola played him all 1rst quarter which was a nightmare. Yet Juskevicius and Runkauskas are not being used at 2 at all Combinations are primitive: either it's pick and roll or constant effort to derive three point shot. Off course, Juskevicius and Runkauskas are not very good defenders as well, but Lukauskas is just horrible, I don't understand how this washed out player (which didn't get NT invitations since 2009) still a starter in Nicolas team, he shouldn't be in the team in the first place. Off course, Rytas did "super job" letting Jasaitis go and they barely have solid options for 2. Now Orelikas is one of the most overrated Lith players at the moment. He's simply a stats padder, he can score when he's feeling it, but never plays good enough defence, usually chokes in important games and can't stick to rational basketball categories. Nicola can only scream and wave hands while he completely lost any control and any trust of the team and simply doesn't know what to do. I'm glad this mess happening right now because new coach still will have time at least to prepare Rytas properly for LKL knock out stage.
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    And Nicola is out. It was more than obvious it's coming. Most players played below their abilities coached by Nicola. Rytas didn't have any identity. Good decision.

    Now if rumours are correct - new coach is Pačėsas. Very ambivalent feelings come to my mind about this option. On on hand, he's strict, young, ambitious, not entirely inexperienced as Nicola was. On other hand, he's not known as great strategist to say the least, some of his remarks about NT candidates just goes beyond any reasons (he was one of those who seriously though Babrauskas is NT material), he tends to be overemotional during games and that might lead to inner conflicts. Currently Rytas would need high quality coach who would create priorities, hierarchy in the team and would make the best out of the best Rytas' players. I'm not sure Pačėsas can do it, but it's interesting if he's growing as a coach. He had couple of years just watching basketball and learning. He also watched how Kazlauskas with his academical basketball lead NT to great achievements. He might be a bit different than he was in Prokom. We'll see.
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    Here's my ideas what could be changed in terms of Rytas' system and rotation.

    FOA, Lapravittola should be sifting from shoot-first PG to pass-first PG. He can really do it, at least skills wise, the question remains if he can do it mentally. He can really look for involving others in the first place because Rytas needs creators and he's the best one obviously. I've notice that when he's bringing his A game, Rytas can stay with any team and play really high level basketball. His problem however is that he tends to look for his shot too often and to make wrong decision, to take difficult shots. If Lapravittola can stick to passing and controlling offence - that would be a key moment for Rytas. Also, he's weak defensively and Pacesas should let him know that he's hitting the bench any time he's not trying in the defence. Janavičius should be the one who backs him up and sometimes even playing more because he's a good defender and controls the team pretty well. I wouldn't even use Juškevičius and Runkauskas at PG at all.

    At 2 position Lukauskis moves out to the 3rd string SG or non rotational player from the starting line-up (a bit later about him). One of the main Rytas' problem is - very limited energy and ability to create in the perimeter. Lukauskis one of the biggest reasons here. I would probably put Gailius at 2 and would give him a bit of a green light here because he's probably the best slasher in the team and can really get it going when he's confident. Nicola tried to stick with Lukauskis because of defensive reasons, but it not only didn't work defensively, but entirely damaged Rytas' perimeter offence and eventually offence overall. Second SG should be Juškevičius who can really play well individually and be aggressive. He's best when he has offensive freedom and can look for his own shot. Also he is creative enough for a 2 position (experience at 1 helps him here). 3rd string SG should be Runkauskas/Lukauskis depending on situation because that's their level. Runkauskas is a low IQ player with limited motor. He can be useful, but I think he's just not exactly Rytas' material.

    At 3 I would start Giedraitis who is terrific 3 point shooter and can be aggressive offensively. I also would let him do a lot offensively because he just feels the game and is effective scorer. He tends to have defensive problems and here Lukauskis could be handy. He could play more at 3 with his solid defence and in this position he wouldn't hurt offence so badly as he did while playing at 2.

    As for 4 - I would consider starting Jucikas and maybe Gudaitis if he'll prove he can do it. Orelikas makes Rytas interior defence soft. Rytas needs some real body at 4 to make Rytas defence competitive. Orelikas should come of the bench and give offensive sparkle. Jucikas is one of the most pleasant surprises so far. With all respect to Ksistof, now he's kinda a ball stopper and very weak defensively, he also barely can hit his threes, he's basically done.

    At 5 there should be no chances. It's solid position, just should be properly utilized.

    Overall the hierarchy should be Kavaliauskas, Gudaitis, Gailius, Giedraitis and Lavravittola. Orelikas is very inefficient, opportunistic player. As I said with him Rytas is soft and offence sticks to his opportunistic individual efforts too much. Basically a lot will depend how Pačėsas can change the mind of Lapravittola and to make him more of a team player and how much leadership can such players as Gailius and Gudaitis (and hopefully Giedraitis) can put on their shoulders. They basically the only who hold that potential to rise Rytas to another level and the priority of new coach should be not only to find proper role for each player, but to make clear hierarchy. Now when Lukauskis has the same weight for the team as peaking Gailius, it's all mess...Looking forward to see how things turns out. Obviously this team won't be a great defensive team, but with bigger effort and coordinated offence - this team might look radically different after some time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    And Nicola is out. It was more than obvious it's coming. Most players played below their abilities coached by Nicola. Rytas didn't have any identity. Good decision.

    Now if rumours are correct - new coach is Pačėsas. Very ambivalent feelings come to my mind about this option. On on hand, he's strict, young, ambitious, not entirely inexperienced as Nicola was. On other hand, he's not known as great strategist to say the least, some of his remarks about NT candidates just goes beyond any reasons (he was one of those who seriously though Babrauskas is NT material), he tends to be overemotional during games and that might lead to inner conflicts. Currently Rytas would need high quality coach who would create priorities, hierarchy in the team and would make the best out of the best Rytas' players. I'm not sure Pačėsas can do it, but it's interesting if he's growing as a coach. He had couple of years just watching basketball and learning. He also watched how Kazlauskas with his academical basketball lead NT to great achievements. He might be a bit different than he was in Prokom. We'll see.

    What about Pačėsas' relations to Dzūkija? Isn't he the owner (or co-owner) of the club? Would it be legal for him to be a head coach of Rytas (or any other LKL club but Dzūkija)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    Here's my ideas what could be changed in terms of Rytas' system and rotation.



    As for 4 - I would consider starting Jucikas and maybe Gudaitis if he'll prove he can do it. Orelikas makes Rytas interior defence soft. Rytas needs some real body at 4 to make Rytas defence competitive. Orelikas should come of the bench and give offensive sparkle. Jucikas is one of the most pleasant surprises so far. With all respect to Ksistof, now he's kinda a ball stopper and very weak defensively, he also barely can hit his threes, he's basically done.
    I thought this bad rytas season start that 3 players laprovitola,giedraitis ad Ksistof was the only brighter players on the floor.He is almost done as players i agree,but still is effective for 15min game and not only makes 3pointers and but draws smart fauls and puts free throws in , in those moments when rytas cant score.But maybe we wathched different rytas games.Those games i watched Kssitof was very solid in his limited minutes. For example like game agains zenit ksistof played very important role in that 2 half comeback.In this years rytas their are way worse players than 36years old Ksistof including Orelikas...

    Rytas wont win against zalgiris if they think they can put Orelikas against Jankunas.Paulius is destroying him everytime inside.

    Who from rytas team can guard Jankunas ? if they wont find a player than can slow him down,they have no chance in the lkl final.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawshank View Post
    I thought this bad rytas season start that 3 players laprovitola,giedraitis ad Ksistof was the only brighter players on the floor.
    Yeah, I probably missed couple of good games by Kistof, he surely uses his experience while drawing fouls, can score here and there, but he' so slow, his perimeter shot became so flat (he missed everything against Siauliai) and it's not the first time I notice he's missing wide open threes which used to be a money for him. The thing is that he can only cover veteran's role and he won't fill 4 position. As for stopping Jankunas I would go with Jucikas and Gudaitis. Jankunas still would make trouble for them, but it would be better choice. On the positive note for Rytas, they didn't yet have Gudautis basically so it's a big reserve. He's having a horrific start of the season with little injuries. But when he's healthy he basically doesn't have competition at 5 in LKL. He will dominate LKL. And surely would give a lift in higher level as Eurocup and the games against Zalgiris/Neptunas in local competition.
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    Gudaitis right now got some kind of bad karma most likely of those childish excuses and his acts why he left zalgiris.For me that was mistake for this young player.Firstly he got injury in national team camp and coulndt normally compete for the spot with sabonis and now this injury.Leave zalgiris and euroleague to go to play in uleb very strange desicion.What will happen if rytas wont qualife from group? he will play 4 uleb games and thats all in entire season? Basically he would had have Vougiukas minutes in euroleague,if he would have stayed Vougiukas wouldnt even be in zalgiris team this year.Right now both zalgiris and vougiukas looks like winners in this situation and gudaitis losser after this his strange desicion.

    That young men need to fix his head and his attitude and he should be ok in the future.I dont recall any other young lithuanian player that would say i dont wanna be part of zalgiris team.And last year he got really good minutes in euroleague and got some good games too (before injury).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawshank View Post
    Gudaitis right now got some kind of bad karma most likely of those childish excuses and his acts why he left zalgiris.For me that was mistake for this young player.Firstly he got injury in national team camp and coulndt normally compete for the spot with sabonis and now this injury.Leave zalgiris and euroleague to go to play in uleb very strange desicion.What will happen if rytas wont qualife from group? he will play 4 uleb games and thats all in entire season? Basically he would had have Vougiukas minutes in euroleague,if he would have stayed Vougiukas wouldnt even be in zalgiris team this year.Right now both zalgiris and vougiukas looks like winners in this situation and gudaitis losser after this his strange desicion.

    That young men need to fix his head and his attitude and he should be ok in the future.I dont recall any other young lithuanian player that would say i dont wanna be part of zalgiris team.And last year he got really good minutes in euroleague and got some good games too (before injury).
    Yeah, he srewed up big time. He will be a good example for other future talents that if you have a place in Zalgiris, dont leave it for fools gold.

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    Finnaly a win. Seem like tables will be turning for rytas now. Players were fighting today like never before this season. Gotta give props to the headcoach, although I didnt like that he kept the argentinian on the floor at the end of 4th, when he was going iso after iso. Giedraitis and Adas were good today, and Ksystof was vintage...
    Defense on the other hand was bad again. Specialy in the paint. I hope things will improve when Antanas, Arturas and Deividas is back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawshank View Post
    .I dont recall any other young lithuanian player that would say i dont wanna be part of zalgiris team.
    Donatas Motiejunas, Marius Grigonis. Off course, both probably wanted to play for Zalgiris (just as Gudaitis), but decided that other environment would be better for their development. And they were afraid of the same things as Gudaitis - lack of minutes. I'm not saying Gudaitis decision was some wise, but I don't see big problem here as well. When he'll get in shape he'll play more minutes than he would play in Kaunas most likely. Coaching staff is better in Zalgiris though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    Donatas Motiejunas, Marius Grigonis. Off course, both probably wanted to play for Zalgiris (just as Gudaitis), but decided that other environment would be better for their development. And they were afraid of the same things as Gudaitis - lack of minutes. I'm not saying Gudaitis decision was some wise, but I don't see big problem here as well. When he'll get in shape he'll play more minutes than he would play in Kaunas most likely. Coaching staff is better in Zalgiris though.

    what league lkl ? in lkl you wont do any progress playing against 2m02 centers... thats my point a lot good players agrees to play for less money just to be able to play in euroleague.I dont see Gudaitis getting way more minutes when rytas has Kavaliauskas,Ksystof,Jucikas,Orelikas. Yeah if forgot about Motiejunas,but grigonis? i doubt zalgiris ever even consider him seriuosly to take to the roster grigonis was candidate like kariniauskas was not more for 11-12 player role.Gudatis last year was getting good minutes in euroleague in some games even more than 20.

    For me 10minutes in euroleague game is alot better than 10 games in lkl for younger players...When 22-23 yearl old will begin makes demands to teams like zalgiris,should be showed doors to such arogance.Exactly what zalgiris management did.Zalgiris/Lithuanian national teams everybody sacrifices minutes and roles and if some kind youngster cant do that its his own problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Svajunas View Post
    I hope things will improve when Antanas, Arturas and Deividas is back.
    So Antanas Kavaliauskas, Artūras Gudaitis and Deividas Gailius are all out with injuries? Anything really serious? When are they expected to return?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    And they were afraid of the same things as Gudaitis - lack of minutes.... When he'll get in shape he'll play more minutes than he would play in Kaunas most likely.
    Do you really think Gudaitis will get more minutes on the floor for Rytas behind Antanas Kavaliauskas than he would have for Žalgiris behind Robertas Javtokas who's not exactly a spring chicken?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawshank View Post
    What will happen if rytas wont qualife from group?
    How many teams advance from each preliminary group in EuroCup?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    Now if rumours are correct - new coach is Pačėsas.... He might be a bit different than he was in Prokom.
    Tomas Pačėsas had quite a bit of success as head coach of Asseco Prokom Gdynia in the Polish league between 2007 and 2012. Why did he leave? Did club management get tired of his abrasive ways and fire him?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hepcat View Post
    Tomas Pačėsas had quite a bit of success as head coach of Asseco Prokom Gdynia in the Polish league between 2007 and 2012. Why did he leave? Did club management get tired of his abrasive ways and fire him?

    He wasn't fired. Prokom got financial problems and both side parted ways.
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    Wow, Gudaitis season is really f.. up so far. Another injury. This time some-one scratched his eye and he's out for 2-3 weeks. Really pity.

    Also, Lapravittola might leave Rytas and new coach is still about to be announced.
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