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    People who think naturalisation is ok have no idea what it is honourable behavior and fair play. There are only few exceptions. If someone came to your country when he was 5-6, lived here for decade or more, got citizenship, you can't even call it naturalisation - he is citizen of your country, he learned to play in your country and so on. I don't think that having "roots" means anything. In that case european countries could naturalise all white players in both Americas and african all black. Or dig deeper - Africa could naturalise us all . Second thing is minorities - if some player from some minority (like Poles in Lithuania, Lithuanians in Poland, Hungarians in Slovakia and so on.) want to play for country of his national origin and he surrender citizenship of country where he was born i have no problem with that too. All other cases are just fools gold. For example Rusian victory in year 2007 is cheap to me because of Holden (and I was against Spain in that final because of their "games") and so on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MZT Skopje View Post
    Dzaner Osman who is his older brother has playd for Macedonia and today play for Kumanovo in MKD (will play eurocup) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzaner_Osman

    Good states too when he playd for MKD http://www.fibaeurope.com/cid_KNce8j...rID_62365.html

    Just to quote myself.

    BIH I have no ideo about ?.

    Cedi Osman just holds MKD and TUR passport. As you can read nationality Macedonian-Turkish http://basketball.eurobasket.com/pla...stanbul/217513


    Kristijan Nikolov still just 18 years old playd 8 games in euroliga http://www.euroleague.net/competitio...asoncode=E2014

    Nationality Turkish.

    But born in Macedonia has polayd for MKD U16 and U18. Also for our reserve senior national team who made the semifinals at the meditarien games 2013.
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    If I was born in New York, can I be American?

    Cedi Osman's father is Turkish. How can you call him naturalized?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mindozas View Post
    I wouldn't approve that. For me there're two ways to be involved with NT not bein' Lithuanian born in LT by LT parents:

    1) born and raised here;
    2) born outside country, but having LT parent(-s) (grandparents doesn't count);

    But that's just mine point of view, this issue is so wide and can have so many different views on it, that we could discuss it for a long time and wouldn't come to agreement
    Damn, I have solve this personal problem somehow. I guess Finland, or atleast Finnish bball supporters are overall more tolerant than for example Lithuanians. Maybe it's ok that I just don't cheer for Wilson when he is introduced before games. Well, jokes aside but most Finns, team included, seems to think he is welcomed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirtyh View Post
    Damn, I have solve this personal problem somehow. I guess Finland, or atleast Finnish bball supporters are overall more tolerant than for example Lithuanians. Maybe it's ok that I just don't cheer for Wilson when he is introduced before games. Well, jokes aside but most Finns, team included, seems to think he is welcomed.
    What does it have to do with tolerance? What's a point to have national teams if you can buy players from other countries? In that case it's no longer national team, but simply a club and wins the ones who have more money, but not more talented players, better basketball system/school and so on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTEGRAL View Post
    If I was born in New York, can I be American?

    Cedi Osman's father is Turkish. How can you call him naturalized?
    In that case, how can Lukovski be Serbian, even born in Skopje.

    Even Osman father is Born in Macedonia. I am a man who care littel about orgin. If you ask me whole Osman family are Macedonians. Dzaner even playd for us.

    How can you not be Macedonina if you hold a MKD passport.

    To me even Ataturk is part Macedonian since born in the Macedonian region.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashtrusis_dantis View Post
    What does it have to do with tolerance? What's a point to have national teams if you can buy players from other countries? In that case it's no longer national team, but simply a club and wins the ones who have more money, but not more talented players, better basketball system/school and so on.
    Calm down, I agree with you. Althought Wilson had to live almost 10 years in Finland and marry Finnish girl to get citizenship. And he does not get paid for playing in our NT. There for his case is diffenrent than McCaleb's etc.

    But there's lot of people in Finland that thinks that everything that comes from abroad is making only good things to Finnish culture. Including American point guard who surprisingly seems to be most popular player among Finnish spectators.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MZT Skopje View Post
    In that case, how can Lukovski be Serbian, even born in Skopje.

    Even Osman father is Born in Macedonia. I am a man who care littel about orgin. If you ask me whole Osman family are Macedonians. Dzaner even playd for us.

    How can you not be Macedonina if you hold a MKD passport.

    To me even Ataturk is part Macedonian since born in the Macedonian region.
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    Basketnews posted a list of naturalized foreigners by team to which I've now added a couple:

    Belgium - Matt Lojeski
    Bosnia and Hercegovina - Alex Renfroe
    Croatia - Dontaye Draper
    Czech Republic - Blake Schilb
    Finland - Jamar Wilson
    Georgia - Jacob Pullen
    Germany - Anton Gavel
    Israel - D'or Fischer
    Macedonia - Richard Hendrix
    Netherlands - Mohamed Kherrazi
    Poland - A.J. Slaughter
    Slovenia - Alen Omić
    Spain - Nikola Mirotić
    Turkey - Ali Muhammed(Bobby Dixon)
    Ukraine - Jerome Randle

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    Did Dixon choose that name by him self haha. The boxer Ali. Is not sure yet if Henrix will play for us since he suffered an injury a few days ago during practise. Will be known in the days.
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    Hepcat, you can add Alen Omić to that list
    Quote Originally Posted by Jon_Koncak View Post
    That's funny shit.I cant believe there are sports fans thinking like it.It's like Federer losing to random Japanese player in round 1 of French Open but tournament director stepping in and saying "hey it was a fluke win who wants to watch a random Japanese guy in next round,Federer qualifies"

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    Quote Originally Posted by MZT Skopje View Post
    Did Dixon choose that name by him self haha.
    You'd think he would have picked a Turkish-sounding name if he wanted to masquerade as a Turk.


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    Also Kherrazi from Netherlands. Dutch team even was penalized with 2 losses in qualifiers cause he and another naturalized player Cunningham were both in roster

    P.S. Hepcat, it's Randle, not Randall


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirtyh View Post
    Calm down, I agree with you. Althought Wilson had to live almost 10 years in Finland and marry Finnish girl to get citizenship. And he does not get paid for playing in our NT. There for his case is diffenrent than McCaleb's etc.

    But there's lot of people in Finland that thinks that everything that comes from abroad is making only good things to Finnish culture. Including American point guard who surprisingly seems to be most popular player among Finnish spectators.
    Where did you get the idea that I am not calm? No matter that he lives in Finland - he is product of american basketball system and shouldn't play for Finland (because of reasons i wrote earlier). If Lithuanian NT would naturalise someone i would stop supporting it for a time of that player carier in our NT. I have nothing against naturalised players personally (most of them are great persons), but these decisions are simply wrong. There are sports where i wouldnt be so strict (for example couples - dancing and so on.), but if talking about team sports or individuals it clear and simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashtrusis_dantis View Post
    No matter that he lives in Finland - he is product of american basketball system and shouldn't play for Finland (because of reasons i wrote earlier). If Lithuanian NT would naturalise someone i would stop supporting it for a time of that player carier in our NT. I have nothing against naturalised players personally (most of them are great persons), but these decisions are simply wrong. There are sports where i wouldnt be so strict (for example couples - dancing and so on.), but if talking about team sports or individuals it clear and simple.
    I agree 100% but I don't want to stop supporting our team because of this but I also think this is not good thing. Basketball have just started to get little attention in media and our youth teams did great. So our future is looking even better.

    What really surprised me was that Wilson seems to be really popular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashtrusis_dantis View Post
    If someone came to your country when he was 5-6, lived here for decade or more, got citizenship, you can't even call it naturalisation
    Actually I think that is exactly what you do call naturalization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Upi View Post
    Actually I think that is exactly what you do call naturalization.
    No I don't. I talk about giving pasport to some professional like in Holden or Bo McCalebb cases and so on.

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    How can Finland play with two naturalized players ; Erik Murphy and Jamar Wilson ???!!! Both gain the Finnish citizinship after being 16 of course.
    And Erik Murphy officially was their naturalized player at FIBA World Cup.

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