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    Here are the eurohope's rankings of the 97' born players.

    Korkmaz is getting some good playing time already, same with Marinković in Partizan and Andrija's younger brother Ante Žižić in Cibona.

    Which are your countries top 97' born prospects?

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    I love Dragan Bender, I think he has by far the biggest upside from this class. This year Maccabi loaned him to a second devision Israeli team in order to get a lot of playing time but next year he's expected to take another step forward and play with MTA in Euroleague.

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    it's of course risky to bet on any 17-year old kid, but Furkan Korkmaz looks like a sure bet. He was the scoring champ at u16, then it was obvious he can score as easily at u18 among older kids, then he showed he can score, defend, pass, run, dunk over experienced bigs at EL level too in his limited minutes. He'll be the long-expected star player of Turkish NT for years to come.

    One trivial thing I think he should improve is his lame, cliche post-game comments...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Levenspiel View Post
    One trivial thing I think he should improve is his lame, cliche post-game comments...
    that's something 99% of players might have to do. It's unbelievable how some reporters gets satisfied with those cliches and even more amazing how some of the players seem visibly bored and annoyed they have to repeat those over and over again Korkmaz at least has an excuse that he is still young.

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    Dragan Bender with 43(!!!!) Points , 21 Rebs (!!!!) 6 assists and 66 PIR in Maccabi youth team win on the eurolague next generation

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    Quote Originally Posted by israel6 View Post
    Dragan Bender with 43(!!!!) Points , 21 Rebs (!!!!) 6 assists and 66 PIR in Maccabi youth team win on the eurolague next generation
    Don't get carried away with those 1 game stats...

    First - that was against the weakest team in the competition, who played without their C , in a meaningless game for 7-8 seed, with only 1 guy who is 2.02...

    Second- first 3 games maccabi lost with Bender playing pretty bad, look at his %:

    16.3 pts, 7.3 reb, 2 ass, 3TO, 33% for 2pts , 25% for 3pts

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    Quote Originally Posted by israel6 View Post
    Dragan Bender with 43(!!!!) Points , 21 Rebs (!!!!) 6 assists and 66 PIR in Maccabi youth team win on the eurolague next generation
    He is talented but I think he is wasting his one year in this non-competitive youth league. Many 97' born players have been playing in Euroleague level since the beginning of season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slice me nice View Post
    He is talented but I think he is wasting his one year in this non-competitive youth league. Many 97' born players have been playing in Euroleague level since the beginning of season.
    He is playing regulary in the Israeli 2nd Division (he joined Maccabi youth team only for this tournament)which is great for him-
    to play with pro's and against some decent sized american forwards(2 foreign players in each team, most of them from the US) is a good thing for him in order to develop his game, rather than play 10 minutes in a Euroleague team as a roll player.

    I saw 3 full games of his Israeli 2nd division team and he is still learning the pace and the physicality of Pro players.

    Also, it's his 1st year abroad, so it also the edjustment thing that should be considered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slice me nice View Post
    He is talented but I think he is wasting his one year in this non-competitive youth league. Many 97' born players have been playing in Euroleague level since the beginning of season.
    that's far away from truth. Lovro Mazalin wasted his season in Cedevita.

    It's big difrece from developing Korkmaz or Zizic (who has great year in Cibona and Gorica) then players such as Bender or Mazalin. Korkmaz ca spot up and shoot, Zizic can make screen, but Mazalin and Bender must be developed as creators, not rolle players. It's much better for Bender to play when he can perfect his 1 on 1 game, take ball coast to coast and so on then just runn up and down and make screans. Just like Mazalin is just wasting time in Cedevita as corner filler, whille he should be creator

    Bender and Zizic have proper development, unfortunally Mazalin does not
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    dragan bender has potential to be the best european player ever imo...

    i like this guy really...
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    let's see his improvement...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pohani komarac View Post
    that's far away from truth. Lovro Mazalin wasted his season in Cedevita.

    It's big difrece from developing Korkmaz or Zizic (who has great year in Cibona and Gorica) then players such as Bender or Mazalin. Korkmaz ca spot up and shoot, Zizic can make screen, but Mazalin and Bender must be developed as creators, not rolle players. It's much better for Bender to play when he can perfect his 1 on 1 game, take ball coast to coast and so on then just runn up and down and make screans. Just like Mazalin is just wasting time in Cedevita as corner filler, whille he should be creator

    Bender and Zizic have proper development, unfortunally Mazalin does not
    I thought Bender was playing for youth team, my fault Of course playing against physically strong players, will have boost effect on him at the end of the season. Korkmaz played in Turkish Second league and we all see what he is doing right now. I guess we will talk about his success in Euroleague next year. I don't know about Mazalin, the ones that impressed me during U18 EC were Bender and Arapovic. Mazalin was ok but not impressed me at all.

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    Dragan Bender Highlights from the 43pts game last week.

    It looks like he is playing with midgets...

    https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v...type=3&theater

    BTW,

    He returned to play in the Israeli 2nd Divison and had another great game: 25pts+12 reb

    He is clearly getting better compared to 3 months ago

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    Quote Originally Posted by pohani komarac View Post
    that's far away from truth. Lovro Mazalin wasted his season in Cedevita.

    It's big difrece from developing Korkmaz or Zizic (who has great year in Cibona and Gorica) then players such as Bender or Mazalin. Korkmaz ca spot up and shoot, Zizic can make screen, but Mazalin and Bender must be developed as creators, not rolle players. It's much better for Bender to play when he can perfect his 1 on 1 game, take ball coast to coast and so on then just runn up and down and make screans. Just like Mazalin is just wasting time in Cedevita as corner filler, whille he should be creator

    Bender and Zizic have proper development, unfortunally Mazalin does not
    I like this kind of reasoning. These young guys have to be fine-tuned for years in order to reach their full potential. I've watched Mazalin just a few times and I was very impressed. To hear he's reduced to a corner filler sadens me, because he has a extremely high ceiling. If the bring him up slowly and adequately, that is. It's ok to get some burn and the highest level, but if that means being reduced to a marginal role without any meaningful PT, then it's not worth it.

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    Edin Atić is our definitely best player in generation 1997, great shooter.

    Just look at 00 : 44, 01 : 26, 01 : 35, 01 : 50 and 02 : 14(he is number 6).



    Nedim Đedović is our second best player of generation 97, when I compare him with his older brother Nihad, he isn't so fast but have better 3 point shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoachZ View Post
    One now. Obradovic

    Radonjic is from Montenegro, Duda is retired Why bother him with this, he is Croatian
    The second part of the post was unrelated to the first.


    Quote Originally Posted by slice me nice View Post
    5 months is a quite optimistic prediction. He has no chance after the first game of Papagiannis under Kings jersey. Selecting a player 13th overall when he was projected as a late second round draftee is the joke of the year. DeMarcus Cousins will try different fantasies on him.
    There were articles in Greece before the draft saying he was doing very well in his practices with teams and was going to get picked early.

    I know I saw him play a few minutes in the finals against Milutinov who is also a "talented young european big" and a few years older than him and Papagiannis looked like Hakeem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oly_fan View Post
    There were articles in Greece before the draft saying he was doing very well in his practices with teams and was going to get picked early.

    I know I saw him play a few minutes in the finals against Milutinov who is also a "talented young european big" and a few years older than him and Papagiannis looked like Hakeem.
    Actually those pre-draft workouts don't have much influence on the decision of GMs. The performance there is just helping the decision makers to make the final cuts in their minds. Even if Papagiannis would play like Shaq, there is still no way, he can be a Top-15 draftee in a draft class where Ante Zizic was selected 23rd overall and Ivica Zubac 32nd overall. That's just a stupid decision. Both Zizic and Zubac have been much much better players than Papagiannis throughout their short careers. Everyone who follows youth basketball knows what kind of a meaningless draft shot it was.

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    He for sure showed as much as Kormaz, Zubac, Bender, Thon Maker, Hernangomez etc. They are all drafted based on potential. Out of European prospects, only Luwawu, Zagorac and Zipser played a lot of minutes and made a difference (I don;t count Sabonis and Poeltl who are both NCAA prospects). So that is their choice how they see him in the future. Big men get overdrafted anyway since they are always in demand and very few are of a high quality. So teams often spend high picks on them, even if they are not as elite as some other positional players.

    Zizic is the most accomplished euro big in this draft, but at the same time he is a low ceiling prospect in many ways. That has affected his draft stock quite a lot. He played at a great level for his age, the issue is they don't think he can get much better and is limited in many aspects. Papagiannis is more imposing physically for sure but also more raw. If he puts it together he might be a better pro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slice me nice View Post
    where Ante Zizic was selected 23rd overall and Ivica Zubac 32nd overall. That's just a stupid decision. Both Zizic and Zubac have been much much better players than Papagiannis throughout their short careers. Everyone who follows youth basketball knows what kind of a meaningless draft shot it was.
    Weird, I do follow youth basketball and I don't remember them being "much better players".
    Papagiannis was in the eurobasket's first team last summer. Since then he got minutes in euroleague and had 6.5 ponts in 11.5 minutes in the Greek league. I see Zizic had 13.4 points in 25.7 minutes in the Adriatic league in a mid-table team.

    I don't see what makes them better in their short careers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoachZ View Post
    He for sure showed as much as Kormaz, Zubac, Bender, Thon Maker, Hernangomez etc. They are all drafted based on potential. Out of European prospects, only Luwawu, Zagorac and Zipser played a lot of minutes and made a difference (I don;t count Sabonis and Poeltl who are both NCAA prospects). So that is their choice how they see him in the future. Big men get overdrafted anyway since they are always in demand and very few are of a high quality. So teams often spend high picks on them, even if they are not as elite as some other positional players.

    Zizic is the most accomplished euro big in this draft, but at the same time he is a low ceiling prospect in many ways. That has affected his draft stock quite a lot. He played at a great level for his age, the issue is they don't think he can get much better and is limited in many aspects. Papagiannis is more imposing physically for sure but also more raw. If he puts it together he might be a better pro.
    If we are addressing their potentials then the situation of Papagiannis gets worse. We are talking about a guy whose efficiency has been decreasing in progress of time. The first time when he showed himself up was in 2013 where he put great numbers on stat sheets. In 2014, he only averaged 8,6 PPG in WC and 8,1 PPG in 2015. Since I had followed those games, it is safe to say that he was far from the elite level to be considered as the Top-15 draftee. Putting aside the numbers, Papagiannis is extremely weak for a guy who has that type of body, missing lateral quickness and terrible athlete for NBA standards. There is no way there is a room for him in the constantly changing NBA game style with the current assets that he has. In a team where there is a normal GM, he shouldn't have been selected that high. All laughable.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oly_fan View Post
    Weird, I do follow youth basketball and I don't remember them being "much better players".
    Papagiannis was in the eurobasket's first team last summer. Since then he got minutes in euroleague and had 6.5 ponts in 11.5 minutes in the Greek league. I see Zizic had 13.4 points in 25.7 minutes in the Adriatic league in a mid-table team.

    I don't see what makes them better in their short careers.
    Then you didn't watch this one.

    Papagiannis - FIBA U19

    8,1 PPG, 7,7 RPG, 0,1 APG

    Zizic - FIBA U19

    13 PPG, 7 RPG, 0,3 APG

    Zubac - FIBA U19

    17,6 PPG, 7,9 RPG, 1,3 APG

    End of the story. No need to mention these two Croats are long term prospects with the constant development that he has shown so far on the contrary Papagiannis.

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