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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawshank View Post
    If we are choosing best lithuanian national team players of all time Kalnietis should be higher than Chomicius no doubt.But as player individually Chomicius in his prime or Kalnietis is his prime i have to say i would choose Chomicius.But saying that how Mantas ir playing for our national team i would find a place for him in top 12 players of all time.Something with Mantas and NT ,when he is with Lietuva jersey he is playing basketball as one of the best pg in entire Europe.And it happend not once,not twice so he would have my vote in making all time LTU nt team over Chomicius.Mantas would be my backup up PG.

    But in clubs competions Valdemaras was better player and fantastic defender,maybe even the best lithuanias perimeter defender of all time.
    These criterias are really hard to measure. I mean some players made little impact in national team like such, but some made huge impact on our basketball overall, but never really had a chance to play for NT due to occupation or played very little. The same Modestas Paulauskas was one of the best players of his generation, had NBA offer in 19-20yo. Then we had Stepas Butautas, another legendary player, who was huge in his time, leader of Soviet NT. Both of them made huge impact on our basketball overall, were idols of upcoming generation, lot of kids started to play bball thnx to them, also both coached. Before WWII we had players like Feliksas Kriauciunas, who not only was among the best players in Europe during his days, twice European champ, even coach of 1937 NT, but he made so much for our bball to be alive at all. He was one of the pioneers of bball in our country. The same legendary Pranas Lubinas came later. Judging on how good they were during their playin' time, all of them should be easily in our all-time roster. But again, it's hard to evaluate the talent, while game itself made enormous step forward, so current generation has huge advantage here


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    Games
    1 1 Jasikevicius
    2 2 Javtokas
    4 3 Maciulis
    3 4 Ksystof
    8 5 Kalnietis
    15 13 Valanciunas
    23 20 Kuzminskas

    Minutes
    1 1 Jasikevicius
    2 2 Kalnietis
    7 3 Maciulis
    3 4 Stombergas
    4 5 Karnisovas
    15 11 Valanciunas
    28 24 Kuzmisnkas

    Points
    1 1 Jasikevicius
    2 2 Karnisovas
    5 3 Kalnietis
    3 4 Kleiza
    4 5 Stombergas
    11 8 Valanciunas
    10 10 Maciulis
    26 24 Kuzminskas

    Rebounds
    4 1 Valanciunas
    1 2 A.Sabonis
    2 3 Kleiza
    3 4 Javtokas
    5 5 Ksystof
    11 8 Maciulis
    18 18 Kuzminskas

    Assists
    1 1 Jasikevicius
    2 2 Kalnietis
    3 3 Marciulionis
    4 4 Karnisovas
    5 5 Siskauskas
    9 8 Maciulis

    Steals
    2 1 Maciulis
    1 2 Jasikevicius
    3 3 Siskauskas
    4 4 Stombergas
    5 5 Karnisovas
    41 11 9 Kalnietis
    22 28 22 Valanciunas

    3pointers made
    1 1 Jasikevicius
    2 2 Jasaitis
    3 3 Siskauskas
    4 4 Kalnietis
    6 5 Kalnietis
    23 18 Kuzminskas
    24 21 Juskevicius

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    2p% (need to be in top half (36 out of 73) among all players in attempts)
    1 66.7 Adomaitis
    2 61.5 Petravicius
    3 60.3 Valanciunas
    4 59.6 Macijauskas
    5 59.5 Karnisovas
    (all time % 52.9)
    34 43.6 D.Sabonis
    35 42.5 Maciulis
    36 41.6 Lukminas

    3p% (37/73)
    1 48.4 Kaukenas
    2 48.2 Juskevicius
    3 46.8 Darjus
    4 45.3 Macijauskas
    5 44.8 Jasaitis
    (all time % 37.5)
    35 27.0 Motiejunas
    36 23.8 Gustas
    37 16.1 Grigonis

    1p% (37/73)
    1 86.9 Macijauskas
    2 86.3 Seibutis
    3 85.9 Songaila
    4 83.3 Jankunas
    5 83.3 Adomaitis
    (all time % 73.8)
    35 E.Zukauskas 53.8
    36 Maskoliunas 50.0
    37 Javtokas 41.3

    "True Shooting" (need to be in top half among all players in points scored)
    1 69.3 Adomaitis
    2 68.0 Macijauskas
    3 66.1 Juskevicius
    4 65.4 Karnisovas
    5 63.6 Valanciunas.
    (all time % 57.2)
    34 51.8 Einikis
    35 49.7 Gustas
    36 46.9 Lukauskis

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    Boy, watching highlights of 1995EB final and that zone defence of Lith was horrible Kurtinaitis was sleeping at D all the time And overall it's hard to imagine such unorganized defence these days, it would just be impossible. BB really progressed in terms of preparation, tactics and discipline.

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    The overall play of Team Lietuva and other European teams has improved enormously since the mid-nineties. Not only are players much faster and more athletic these days, but they're far more disciplined and sophisticated defensively.

    Moreover Team Lietuva in particular had very little depth back in the 1992 to 1995 period. There wasn't much help on the bench for the starters. That's why I raised the question in this thread six years ago:

    https://www.interbasket.net/forums/s...m-Lietuva-2012!

    I suspect that only four players from the 1995 team could crack next summer's lineup for the World Championship. Arvydas Sabonis and Šarūnas Marčiulionis would still be part of the starting lineup, with Rimas Kurtinaitis and Artūras Karnišovas being the only other players good enough to crack the present lineup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hepcat View Post
    I suspect that only four players from the 1995 team could crack next summer's lineup for the World Championship. Arvydas Sabonis and Šarūnas Marčiulionis would still be part of the starting lineup, with Rimas Kurtinaitis and Artūras Karnišovas being the only other players good enough to crack the present lineup.

    Nope. Disagree. Those fellows were badly coached and NT really went for very unorganized zone defence just to keep Sabonis stand in the middle, but overall those teams were waaaaaayyyyyyy more talented than today. Aside those 4 studs you mention there was veteran Chomicius and we already discussed that he may belong to all time NT, than peaking Krapikas wasn't worse player than some Juskevicius for example, he was a good defender, all around player, than young Timinskas and young Einikis. That 1995 EB team was way better than today's team is a no brainer. I mean come on...Marciulionis alone would tear apart all our current backourt with one hand and there's also Kurtinaitis next to him. Now we have Kalnieitis as our best guard? I take 1995EB roster anytime.
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    Watched 1998 WC USA-Lithuania a little bit and I'm changing my all time NT starting 5. I was surprised how athletic, agile and aggressive Karnisovas was, and how tall and big he was. He surely could play PF today, even in 90's could. At 204cm he had no problem penetrating against USA athletic players. I'm thinking peaking Karnisovas was surely NBA material. Also he was even more explosive scorer than Kleiza, and much more smarter and all around off course. So here's my 5, with all high IQ and versatile players. Best of all time, IMO:

    Jasikevicius
    Marciulionis
    Siskauskas
    Karnisovas
    Sabonis
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    @Straight Forward

    I saw a lot of Karnishovas in his NCAA days being a Big East fan. He was a phenomenal long range shooter a really good player. The problem was that in the early ‘90’s only the best of the best in European prospects really got a legitimate opportunity to make it in the NBA. So it was a lot harder for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by usagre View Post
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    I saw a lot of Karnishovas in his NCAA days being a Big East fan. He was a phenomenal long range shooter a really good player. The problem was that in the early ‘90’s only the best of the best in European prospects really got a legitimate opportunity to make it in the NBA. So it was a lot harder for him.
    Good point. And also he was a bit soft and hated contact as a prospect I read which also influenced leaving him undrafted. But watching prime Karnisovas at 1998, there's a complete player, even physically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by usagre View Post
    @Straight Forward

    I saw a lot of Karnishovas in his NCAA days being a Big East fan. He was a phenomenal long range shooter a really good player. The problem was that in the early ‘90’s only the best of the best in European prospects really got a legitimate opportunity to make it in the NBA. So it was a lot harder for him.
    I think I saw his debut with Statyba on TV. The way I remember their uniforms were bright yellow and his face was bright red. Also his head looked disproportionately small compared to long legs and arms. I think he missed dunk. So basically I remember spidery yellow figure with red head hanging on the rim

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    Some random stat: Kalnietis now leads NT in minutes played
    Kalnietis 1972
    Saras 1945
    Maciulis 1640
    Stombergas 1532
    Karnisovas 1507

    Kleiza 1459
    Siskauskas 1423
    Jasaitis 1354
    Einikis 1298
    Valanciunas 1270

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