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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    Seems like I started this thread for a reason. Here's an idea - we'll have 4 first round picks in 10's (coming in short 5-6 years period) and there's a good chance 2 of them will be TOP 10 picks. Sounds pretty good? How that could happen? JV, D-MO, Sabonis, Sedekerskis. 2 latter projected as first round picks, Sabonis might be among top 10. We can mention Gudaitis is drafted as well. For comaprison it was only Kleiza as first round pick in 00's and only Ilgauskas as first round pick in 90's. Euroleague's situation is not as good as it used to be, but Lithuania might fundamentally increase the troop in NBA.
    I want to see Sabonis play next season alongside JV and D-MO
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    Drafted Lith players.

    YEAR/PICK/ROUND PLAYER TEAM

    2011 5 1 Jonas Valanciunas Toronto Raptors
    2011 20 1 Donatas Motiejunas Minnesota Timberwolves
    1996 20 1 Zydrunas Ilgauskas Cleveland Cavaliers
    1986 24 1 Arvydas Sabonis Portland Trail Blazers
    2005 27 1 Linas Kleiza Portland Trail Blazers
    2005 44 2 Martynas Andriuskevicius Orlando Magic
    2015 47 2 Arturas Gudaitis Philadelphia 76ers
    2002 50 2 Darius Songaila Boston Celtics
    2007 50 2 Renaldas Seibutis Dallas Mavericks
    1995 54 2 Eurelejus Zukaukas Seattle SuperSonics
    2001 55 2 Robertas Javtokas San Antonio Spurs
    1985 77 4 Arvydas Sabonis Atlanta Hawks
    1987 27 6 Sarunas Marciulionis Golden State Warriors

    Strange that Karnisovas was never drafted even if he rocked in NCAA. There were even reasons like "too intelligent, typical Euro player"
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    But who cares though..If almost half of them never been in the NBA or barely made any impact..Andriuskevicius Seibutis Javtokas Zukauskas, I doubt Gudaitis will ever actually play there when looking at his current situation and things are not looking good with Motiejunas. Currently Ilgauskas is the most successful Lithuanian in the league. I think JV can surpass him, has enough time.

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    Wow, Karnisovas is a candidate to become GM of NETS. Finally his intelligence paying off in NBA
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    Lithuanian players rebound records in a single Playoff game.

    J.Valanciunas 19 Rebs in 21minutes 2016-04-16
    Z.Ilgauskas 19 Rebs in 40minutes 2007-04-30
    A.Sabonis 15 Rebs in 35minutes 1999-05-23
    D.Motiejunas 13 Rebs in 31minutes 2016-04-21

    Career Total Rebounds in the Playoffs.

    Z.Ilgauskas 555 Rebs in his 80 Playoff Games
    A.Sabonis 378 Rebs in his 51 Playoff Games
    J.Valanciunas 173 Rebs so far in his 17 Playoff Games
    L.Kleiza 83 Rebs in his 26 Playoff Games
    D.Songaila 53 Rebs in his 21 Playoff Games
    D.Motiejunas 27 Rebs so far in his 6 Playoff Games
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    NBA 2016/07 season's coming, how would you answer these questions:

    1.What will be JV's statsline? Will he become an all star this year?
    2. Will D-Mo play in the NBA, if so how many games can you see coming?
    3. What will be Sabonis position, minutes, stats lines, how many games he'll start, will he face D-league?
    4. How many games will Kuzminskas play? Minutes, role?
    5. Will Mockavicius make Nets, would he actually play?


    My prediction:

    1. 14,5ppg, 10rppg. Borderline all star.
    2. Probably he'll play for Rockets. 50-60 games. I think he'll have some problems with his back during the season, but will provide some nice games.
    3. PF mainly, 16-20 minutes, 6pts, 5 rebounds, 10 games as a starter, won't spend any time at D-league. He's more NBA ready than JV was first season, but they have Kanter and Iliasova at 4 while Jonas had secure starting lineup position from the start.
    4. 20-50 games. 12minutes per game. In other words, he'll be more of a depth player first season. Somehow that's what I feel.
    5. Nope. Even if he does, I see him as a training meat, symbolic depth player.
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    You are doing Q&A with yourself ? Nice)
    But i am humor you ,just because ...
    1 - JV will be able to demand a lot more after signing that 60 m contract then before . Be it on or off court .
    He is not "that" random guy who plays for the Raptors anymore - he is a franchise player .
    The rest is just rhetoric .

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    Quote Originally Posted by auris1 View Post
    You are doing Q&A with yourself ? Nice)
    But i am humor you ,just because ...
    1 - JV will be able to demand a lot more after signing that 60 m contract then before . Be it on or off court .
    He is not "that" random guy who plays for the Raptors anymore - he is a franchise player .
    The rest is just rhetoric .
    Talking with yourself sometimes better idea than dialogue
    As for JV, Derozan also signed huge and bigger contract and he is franchise along with Lowry (for a little while). Besides Derozan is best scorer per drive in the NBA ("DeMar DeRozan averaged 8.7 points per drive last season, which was No. 1 in the NBA."), Raptors will give him all the freedom he needs. But yeah JV should expect bigger role this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    Talking with yourself sometimes better idea than dialogue
    As for JV, Derozan also signed huge and bigger contract and he is franchise along with Lowry (for a little while). Besides Derozan is best scorer per drive in the NBA ("DeMar DeRozan averaged 8.7 points per drive last season, which was No. 1 in the NBA."), Raptors will give him all the freedom he needs. But yeah JV should expect bigger role this year.
    Interesting questions you raised here If I only would follow NBA more, I could answer too, but since I'm not, I don't want to make fool of myself with my predictions I just hope, no matter how season will go for all of them, they all will bring the best to NT


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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    Besides Derozan is best scorer per drive in the NBA ("DeMar DeRozan averaged 8.7 points per drive last season, which was No. 1 in the NBA."),
    How is 8.7 points per drive possible?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hepcat View Post
    How is 8.7 points per drive possible?

    I also questioned that, but probably in this case "per drive" means "how many points he scores while driving/after the drives per game".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    Talking with yourself sometimes better idea than dialogue
    Absolutely .How about a polylogue ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    NBA 2016/07 season's coming, how would you answer these questions:

    1.What will be JV's statsline? Will he become an all star this year?
    2. Will D-Mo play in the NBA, if so how many games can you see coming?
    3. What will be Sabonis position, minutes, stats lines, how many games he'll start, will he face D-league?
    4. How many games will Kuzminskas play? Minutes, role?
    5. Will Mockavicius make Nets, would he actually play?


    My prediction:

    1. 14,5ppg, 10rppg. Borderline all star.
    2. Probably he'll play for Rockets. 50-60 games. I think he'll have some problems with his back during the season, but will provide some nice games.
    3. PF mainly, 16-20 minutes, 6pts, 5 rebounds, 10 games as a starter, won't spend any time at D-league. He's more NBA ready than JV was first season, but they have Kanter and Iliasova at 4 while Jonas had secure starting lineup position from the start.
    4. 20-50 games. 12minutes per game. In other words, he'll be more of a depth player first season. Somehow that's what I feel.
    5. Nope. Even if he does, I see him as a training meat, symbolic depth player.
    1. I think stats should remain around the same level. I dont expect him being involved more even though Casey said he will be. Also terrible olympics and JV still being in Lithuania and not training is not encouraging. 13 and 9.
    2. I see him playing for Rockets for obvious reasons. Tough to say how many games it could be all from 20 to 82. We dont really know what shape is he in and hows his back.
    3. PF mainly. Some C against smallball. Probalby around 11 mins per game with a 4pts and 3 rebs average. Should play more and more as the season progresses.
    4. Would guess around 60 games. With similar role as he had first year in Unicaja. If Melo get hurts again which is VERY likely he should be playing more. I expect him to average around 7 points his first year.
    5. Nope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    I also questioned that, but probably in this case "per drive" means "how many points he scores while driving/after the drives per game".
    meaningless stats which not account for the amount of drives. meaning the more often he drives the higher stat will be, without taking efficiency in consideration.

    DD is just a pure volume scorer, with very bad advanced statistics. there is a reason why he always ends up in the 40-50 range in top 100 players category. Raptors made a huge mistake signing him to a homeboys contract making him on of the best payed player in the league. That will eventually bit them in the ass when they will need to sign true soul and leader of that team Lowry.

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    Nice reply, Svajunas. Agreed with most of what you say except that I hope a bit of improvement of JV and better stats line for Sabonis (specially in the second half of the season). As for Lowry, he's 30, he already peaked and yet didn't prove he can play well in the playoffs. I don't see him being a key for the Raptors in a long run, one of the cornerstone, yes, if he can stay healthy, but nothing more. Demar is what you said, but he is still growing, he can improve his decision making, to change attitude in favour of the team, recent years was about to show up for him. Now he has contract and will ask himself what he should do to make the team better (hopefully).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    Nice reply, Svajunas. Agreed with most of what you say except that I hope a bit of improvement of JV and better stats line for Sabonis (specially in the second half of the season). As for Lowry, he's 30, he already peaked and yet didn't prove he can play well in the playoffs. I don't see him being a key for the Raptors in a long run, one of the cornerstone, yes, if he can stay healthy, but nothing more. Demar is what you said, but he is still growing, he can improve his decision making, to change attitude in favour of the team, recent years was about to show up for him. Now he has contract and will ask himself what he should do to make the team better (hopefully).
    I dont have any hopes for Demar. He has tunnel vision and passes only when he has no other choice. It was fun seeing in playoffs. Guards guarding him went under the screen and took away his drives to the basket. Being low IQ player that he is, he settled for long jumpshots and bricked most of them.
    While Kyle were shooting bad, I think his elbow injury was the reason. He even struggled at the FT line. Anyway I think Kyle next year will get his last big contract and will demand 20 million at least. Raptors cant pay him, unless they will go into tax, which they will not since they far away from being a contender.

    DD for Raptors is what Rudy Gay was and will be for all of his teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Svajunas View Post
    r, with very bad advanced statistics
    For example?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuDux View Post
    For example?
    Im not gonna post them here because Im not very good at finding them. But if you follow Raptors close enough there are numbers of articles posted every year where he gets exposed.
    Here is a quick find:

    Raptors Offensive Stats With and Without DeRozan
    -------------Poss--Pace--FGA--PPP-- FG%--%A
    With--------1524--92.6--1296-1.069-44.4-51.8
    Without-----2591--92.8--2422-1.172-46.5-55.0

    He is a ballhog. Raptors made him allstar because every team-town needs one. Its business its branding, you have to sell tickets. You want sell tickets saying come to the games to see our 5 average players playing.

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    I sometimes visit raptors forum at realgm and they have "expositions" and "expositions" of those "expositions" for every player. They have enough Valanciunas haters to fill Winnipeg

    According to basketball-refference his advenced stats are not terrible


    Also Toronto at least untill recently was not very popular place for free agents, it's not like they can easily replace him with someone better

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuDux View Post
    I sometimes visit raptors forum at realgm and they have "expositions" and "expositions" of those "expositions" for every player. They have enough Valanciunas haters to fill Winnipeg

    According to basketball-refference his advenced stats are not terrible


    Also Toronto at least untill recently was not very popular place for free agents, it's not like they can easily replace him with someone better
    this just further proves my point. that they need to create a star since they would struggle to sign one. their paddling demars stats. he is a very poor shooter for a shooting guard... almost 10 years in a League and still havent developed a 3pt shot.

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