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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    Jeez, Max, don't be funny with your JV here...Only you can bring JV into conversation here now I mean you have to be the biggest homer from Lith section without question and might be the second biggest homer in whole Interbasket after Vasilis999 or whatever was his nick name or whatever...
    You're just hurting JV who is a good player, but he isn't what you project him. He will never be agile at D, he will always be a slow and limited decision maker, he will never be a great passing big, he will never be an all star in contemporary NBA. Deal with that, instead of coming here every year since the first season of JV saying "next season he will be an all star". Even this year, you were saying JV on some other level and will be an all star...come one, you're just foolling yourself and making JV look bad in this forum.

    As for Harden, you have to be really on the hate mode regarding Harden because he is sensational now. AT the moment, (last month or so) no-one is even close to him in NBA, no matter few complains that he "grabs defenders arms" when shooting
    It's OK Nostradamus, I get it - JV is useless and should be playing for Anyksciu Puntukas instead of NBA and Sabonis JR is the best damn thing since the sliced bread Did I get it right already?

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    The worst broadcast ever, but a great exhibition game between CSKA and Heat. Peaking Siskauskas Vs peaking Lebron. CSKA got to an early double digit lead, but it wasn't enough to win. Heat took it with 96:85. Siskauskas scored 15pts, Lebron 22pts. In other exhibition game that October, Siskauskas dropped 22pts agains the Cavs. IMO, Siskauskas surely was the guy who could play in NBA. Much better fit than Macijauskas and even Jasikevicius. Such a terrific and smart player at both ends of the floor.

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    Rokas Giedraitis says he is a good fit for NBA and that there have been interest in him:

    https://hoopshype.com/2019/05/25/rok...aningful-role/
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    Jonas Valanciunas is very close becoming first Lithuanian player to proudly say I have NBA champions ring

    Ps. N.Nurse before season offered Sharas assistant job, blown opurtunity by Sharas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawshank View Post
    Jonas Valanciunas is very close becoming first Lithuanian player to proudly say I have NBA champions ring

    Ps. N.Nurse before season offered Sharas assistant job, blown opurtunity by Sharas.
    Pazdrazdis have one, but not as a player tho


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    Matas Jogela stays in the drafts surprisingly. He should even have a workout with The Celtics. I don't see him being drafted because I think he lacks a little bit of extra agility and skill to be an NBA wing, but I believe he can really reach Euroleague's level one day.

    So generally we'll have three Liths in the draft lottery this year. Sirvydis, Jogela, Brazedeikis.
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    Watched some highlights of SL.

    I like how Brazdeikis looks on the court visually. He seems to be ready for real action physicality wise. He tries to be aggressive going inside and that's what I like about him, he doesn't afraid contact.

    Kulboka looks tougher, bigger and he knocked down super deep triple in a run like it's no business for him. Still looks a bit awkward with those long legs and hands and you wonder whenever he's SF or skinny PF. It's hard to say on his improvement because there wasn't much of passing in his team obviously But he can shoot and I think for him the best solution is to be a stretch 4 and to play some minutes at 3 as well. He's a heck of a shooter and he could provide elite passing for a 4. But can he play D at 4, I don't know so he's surely a tweener and maybe in a bad way. If NBA will fource him to bulk even more, that might cause him some loss of quickness and natural touch.

    Sirvydis doesn't pay much. Obviously Pistons has decision on him to send him home to Europe or G league and figuring out things with other players. Long term prospect, he'll need a year at least to have a shot to make Pistons.

    Now let's shift to NT perspective.

    Those three guys will add massive improvement offensively to the NT. Both Sirvydis and Kulboka are instantly best shooters of the NT, instantly. Who do we have today? Grigonis, Lekavicius (I don't even want to mention Juskevicius). We suddenly add two players with elite stroke. Brazdeikis instantly adds versatility and aggression for our offence. We used to have a poor ball handlers at 3 all 10's long and Brazdeikis is a solid ball handler at 3 with some moves, with the jumper off the drible and with aggressive face to face game going inside. We didn't have this with Maciulis, Kuzminskas, Ulanovas. He's the guy who can just take the ball and initiate something in the broken plays. All are not a good defender, but hopefully will reach the point where they will be sold, but they surely will add tons of offence which we lack today.

    Now how to put them into the team? I think Sirvydis should play 2, no brainer. Aside Grigonis there's an open track in this position and Sirvydis is agile enough and has elite passing and decision making to occupy this position. I hope Giedraitis can find his spot at 2 as well and we have a line-up for the start of 20's. (I do think that guys like Valinskas, Sargiunas, Dovydas Giedraitis and some others for the depth pool shouldn't be much worse if any than guys like Delininkaitis, Juskevicius so I really see a substantial improvement of our talent next decade)

    Brazdeikis should be a 3 and I believe he might eventually be a starter and one of the cornerstone players. And Im saying this having in mind insane competition in this position. Ulanovas, Giedraitis (unless he moves to 2), Butkevicius, Sedekerskis and maybe even Kulboka will legitimately fight for the spot early in the 20's. but I do believe Brazdeikis brings unique offensive package that we lack. I believe Ulanovas and Sedekerskis will have the best chances to back him up.

    Now I would love Kulboka to play 4. To have a player who is elite shooter at 4 is a real deal these days. Basketball moves towards that and if he can more or less survive at the defensive end, we are in good situation because it's pretty obvious we need live up with the trends to be a true powerhouse. We need those crazy forwards who can play from 2 to 4 offensively and Kulboka is that kind of a breed. He's really long and he's agile, so he can beat his defenders of the dribble, he can leave his slower defender under the screens ect and we get instant three point scoring. Be it 15 minutes, he can give as 8-12pts during it, IMO. I believe with time JV will be forced to skip few tournaments so Sabonis will move entirely to 5, Kuzminskas still be available at 4, then we might play Kluboka there for some short stretches. Eventually Tubelis should prevail here as a force at 4 and I believe he will be an NBA material. I would mention possibility to use Sedekerskis as 4 as well as he should be the best stretch 4 defensive specialist in new generation. I probably see this hierarchy mowing towards middle of 20's - Sabonis, Tubelis, Kulboka (Masiulis, aged Kuzminskas, Sedekerskis).

    Now position 5 is stacked and will remain so, there's no need even to discuss that. While with position 1 it's pretty easy to predict Lekavicius and Jokubaitis will fill this position for some time, maybe even starting from 2021, but Marciulionis will be breathing to their backs and I predict him being the best PG at the middle of 2021 and generally elite type of a kind.

    To sum up, we'll have much more shooting and offensive versatility very soon. I'm not sure about our defensive upside, but the offence will prevail all over the place compared to 10s. My prediction is that in the middle of 20's will have truly elite team (not like today while we are still powerhouse, but not elite) with floor of El players, I predict something like that:

    Marciulionis, Jokubaitis
    Sirvydis, Grigonis, Giedraitis
    Brazdeikis, Sedekerskis
    Sabonis, Tubelis, Kulboka
    Valanciunas, Gudaitis
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    Nobody thinks that Brazdeikis being a player of the New York Knicks is a bad thing for Team Lietuva ? Not only will he play a lot of games with R.J. Barrett, which might make him reconsider playing for Team Canada in the first place, but this also means that Rowan Barrett (Senior) will have a lot of opportunities to talk to him to try to make him play for Canada (and a lot of opportunities to see him play, and then want him to join the squad)
    I know his current priority is to play for Lithuania team (despite not having the nationality yet), but he could change his mind.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Prancūzėlis_ZLD View Post
    Nobody thinks that Brazdeikis being a player of the New York Knicks is a bad thing for Team Lietuva ? Not only will he play a lot of games with R.J. Barrett, which might make him reconsider playing for Team Canada in the first place, but this also means that Rowan Barrett (Senior) will have a lot of opportunities to talk to him to try to make him play for Canada (and a lot of opportunities to see him play, and then want him to join the squad)
    I know his current priority is to play for Lithuania team (despite not having the nationality yet), but he could change his mind.
    It's funny when he scores 5pts or say gets drafted lower than Sirvydis some Lith fans starting to be cocky and say "we are giving citizenship to this guy", But when he drops thirty, "how this guy still doesn't have Lith citizenship". He and his father expressed many times recently he wants to join NT and if our federation is not sleeping (and boy they love thing getting slow and comfortable (multipositionial sarcasm alert)) we should have him in camp as soon as next summer. If he chooses Canada, be it that way.

    How about comparison with Marciulionis by American lady announcer? I mean he played some game if he gets that comparison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    Both Sirvydis and Kulboka are instantly best shooters of the NT, instantly.
    Instantly!!! On what basis? Once again you're really going overboard. You need in game performance stats to back up statements of that sort, and we've not seen really good stats at the men's level from either of those two fellows yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    We suddenly add two players with elite stroke.
    "Elite" stroke!!! You have a tendency to post the most painful imaginable "scout speak". This isn't figure skating. Their stroke, release, whatever aren't judged by the score keepers in basketball. It's not about how the ball leaves their fingertips; it's only about where the ball lands. What counts is their shooting percentage, and nothing else. How can you make such statements therefore without any attempt to back them up with stats?

    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    ...Sirvydis is agile enough and has elite passing and decision making to occupy this position.
    "Elite"! Come on! As a backup for Rytas last year Sirvydis was adequate, but no more. And I would have loved to see him demonstrate some elite play going for a medal at the World U19 championships this past week but Sirvydis chose instead to participate in this Summer League circus hosted by the NBA. All he deserves therefore is a goose egg for his summer.

    Now I'd love to see Deividas Sirvydis, Arnoldas Kulboka, Ignas Brazdeikis and the others develop into stars, but you constantly go overboard in praising them for their form/style. It's the results that count though! And you've steered completely away from posting the results they've been achieving.
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    Hepcat you totally missed my point of view, you can't read between the lines (if I say instantly becomes the best shooter you understand that I put him in senior NT today and he delivers?), you tend to go for brutal reduction of which Shawnshank was able to rid of rather successfully (even though still happens), I never said they gonna be stars that's yours interpretation and you're not good at interpretation.

    Also you go for extremely primitive move calling all scouts idiots. So if people say Zion will be as good as some Barkley or some other elite forwards they are totally insane because that is not "backed up" by stats yet? They all should quite their job because it's meaningless right? You're taking nonsense. Actually your worst habit is to go the stats sheets instead of learning to watch actual basketball and to see thing beyond stats.

    I think that's the last time I'm being a high school teacher for you here. Do you seriously believed that I wrote "Sirvydis is an elite player, the best shooter of Lithuania today". I said that when we add them (which means they're ready for senior NT) they are instantly best shooters. I thought that's no brainer, that is a no brainer. I can't construct my posts as if I was writing for dummies. You will have to do a better job.
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    Here's Kulboka's 18pts - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbQ4IMFYpFg

    Here's Brazdeikis 30pts - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozggAn1WgCQ

    From what I see Brazdeikis has a shot of cracking Knicks rotation already this season, maybe moving from NBA to G league and wise versa. Kulboka seems to be one year away from realistically trying to crack Hornets rotation. He added strength, a bit more polished, but still a bit raw and too soft defensively for NBA. That fadeaway jumper was a beauty though, he should work on this. Offensively he can be really really good as he is taller than most SFs so he can shoot it over them and he's more agile than most power forwards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawshank View Post
    PS. N.Nurse before season offered Sharas assistant job, blown opurtunity by Sharas.
    Well personally I'm very glad Šarūnas Jasikevičius stayed put at Žalgiris. I really don't care whether any Lithuanian gets an NBA championship ring. But I like seeing Jasikevičius coach Žalgiris to victory over non-Lithuanian clubs and in so doing incidentally help develop young talents for Team Lietuva. I sincerely hope he continues to coach Žalgiris.

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    Kulboka says he got bigger from 96kg to 100 or 101kg. That's interesting because Kuzminskas is listed at 98kg. They're both at 205cm. If Kulboka turnes out to be any better defender than Kuz, I like what he might bring at 4.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    I said that when we add them (which means they're ready for senior NT) they are instantly best shooters.
    Even that right there though is a tremendous leap of faith. They've not yet shown the game play to make that kind of projection.

    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    Also you go for extremely primitive move calling all scouts idiots.
    I said no such thing. What I am willing to say though is that scouting reports employing such "scout speak" can't simply be taken as gospel. These observations can't override a player's in-game achievements. A "smooth natural release" is meaningless if the player's shots don't fall through the hoop during games.

    The small market Oakland Athletics success with a strategy named Moneyball which put more emphasis on statistical analysis and less on the subjective impressions of scouts (intrinsically expensive scouts) bears testament to the importance of stats as an evaluation tool:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    Actually your worst habit is to go the stats sheets instead of learning to watch actual basketball and to see thing beyond stats.
    Fair enough. But for your part you have to temper your subjective assessments of a player's strengths/abilities by some objective measure of what he's been achieving during game play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    Here's Kulboka's 18pts - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbQ4IMFYpFg

    Here's Brazdeikis 30pts - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozggAn1WgCQ

    From what I see Brazdeikis has a shot of cracking Knicks rotation already this season, maybe moving from NBA to G league and wise versa. Kulboka seems to be one year away from realistically trying to crack Hornets rotation. He added strength, a bit more polished, but still a bit raw and too soft defensively for NBA. That fadeaway jumper was a beauty though, he should work on this. Offensively he can be really really good as he is taller than most SFs so he can shoot it over them and he's more agile than most power forwards.
    Clips from the NBA's Summer League don't impress me. Summer League is naught but a dog and pony show. It's street ball, while Lithuanian basketball revolves around disciplined team work. That's how Lithuania manages to stay competitive against much bigger and richer countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hepcat View Post
    Clips from the NBA's Summer League don't impress me. Summer League is naught but a dog and pony show. It's street ball, while Lithuanian basketball revolves around disciplined team work. That's how Lithuania manages to stay competitive against much bigger and richer countries.
    bingo!

    SL games are practically unwatchable as every single fellow out there is not creating anything for his teammates, but jacking up as many shots as possible in limited minutes...that's the worst example of american basketball, which simply doesn't compute with the way serious teams play basketball. Leave summer league alone and rather wacth these young kids play serious organized basketball and then start evaluating their progress

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    Seems like Kulboka had a really positive Summer League. Here's an article about it. The suggestion is to take him to the Hornets right away as they rebuilding anyway. He would get some playing time here and there hopefully and would be able to contribute after a year or two.


    Kulboka is still just 21 years old and still has a ton of developing to do, but with the Hornets in rebuild mode, bringing him over to Charlotte now and getting him NBA experience would be ideal. He’s an intriguing prospect at 6’10” and fits the timeline of the franchise.

    His biggest NBA skill set is his shooting. That’s one thing that will translate right away. He’s got a smooth, effortless and quick release and he’s shown that off in Summer League play. The physicality could be a problem, but he’s slowly bulking up. Kulboka is also not the best athlete in the world, but he’s stealthy and will surprise you from time to time.

    Kulboka’s physical attributes are also intriguing. He has great size and length, and that should allow him to play multiple positions in the future. Despite all of these positive signs, he’s still a project and it’s going to take a few years of developing before he makes an impact.

    Still, the franchise is clearly high on him. They’re getting a good look at him during Summer League, and even if he doesn’t join the Hornets this season, they’ll still track his progress overseas until he does eventually join the team.


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    Good job, LuDux.

    I will also say this to relieve Shaw a little bit (hopefully). 10's got fucked up by Kleiza's and D-Mo's injuries. 2 one of the biggest standouts we ever faced, collapsed. Kleiza peaked exactly at the dawn of 10's and he was an absolute beast at the time and we had such a beast for only one season (2010), his body collapsed. D-Mo was about to be on the beast mode for Eurobasket 2015, but that back injury fucked up his career for good. He was basically 15pts, 7rbds, 3r with a solid defence for Rockets at that season in NBA 2014/2015. Just before the injury he was feasting and being top 5 post players in the NBA as well.

    If in 2015 we had field such team, we could be so much better. When you think Kleiza is still at Maciulis age and D-Mo at 30, but we basically lost both of them:

    Kalnietis
    Seibutis ( both peaking)
    Kleiza, Maciulis
    D-Mo, Kuzminskas
    Valanciunas
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