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Introduction
I think there is a general consensus in this forum and among most basketball fans that the FIBA World Ranking does not depict the actual strength of most teams in the world, especially in Europe, where many good teams fail to qualifyfor big tournaments and end up too low in the table.
Inspired by UEFA national teams coefficients, I tried to come up with a new formula of providing the ranking for European national teams. The general rules of my ranking are:
The only exception to the above was the Additional Qualifying Round for Eurobasket 2011, which was not counted. All the other matches played were counted (World Cup 2011, Eurobasket 2011 Qualification, Eurobasket 2011, pre-qualifying for the Olympics and the Olympic tournament 2012, Eurobasket 2013 Qualification, Eurobasket 2013 and Eurobasket 2015 Qualification A). In the parentheses above, different colours are used for the different years those matches were played (so, a different weight was applied to them).
For 2010-2011, teams that participated in the now defunct Division B, were awarded a base coefficient of 5000.
Teams that did not participate in any competition for a particular year, did not earn any points.
In the case of Slovenia 2012, when they played no games because they had auto-qualified for the Eurobasket as hosts, but had not qualified for the Olympics, their 2011 coefficient was also applied to 2012.
Points awarded
For every match, both teams get 10,000 points for playing. The winner gets an extra 20,000 points. For every point scored, 101 points are added. For every point conceded, 100 points are deducted. There are no draws (overtime result is the only one counted).
Bonus points are awarded to both teams, depending of the competition and the stage of the competition.
Eurobasket
Qualification A Groups -10000
Qualification A Play-offs 0
Qualification 0
Group Phase match 5000
Top-12 10000
QF 15000
5th-8th place matches 10000
SF 20000
3rd place Final 25000
Final 30000
World Cup
Group Phase match 7000
Eighth Finals 15000
Quarter-Finals 20000
5th-8th place matches 12000
Semi-Finals 30000
3rd place Final 35000
Final 50000
Olympics
Pre-Qualifying Tournament 2000
Group Phase 12000
Quarter-Finals 20000
Semi-Finals 30000
Bronze medal match 35000
Final 50000
If a match contains a European team playing a non-European team, points are counted normally.
For example: World Cup 2010 Group Phase, Angola-Serbia 44-94
Serbia gets 10,000 for playing + 20,000 for winning + 7,000 bonus points + 101*94 points scored - 100*44 points conceded = 42,094 points
For the same competition stage: France-Spain 72-66 : France:37,672, Spain: 16,466
For the Olympic Games Final: USA-Spain 107-100 : Spain got 59,400 points despite losing, because of the +50,000 bonus
A team's coefficient for one year is the average points that team collected from the matches they played in that particular year.
2010-2013 Coefficients
Introduction
I think there is a general consensus in this forum and among most basketball fans that the FIBA World Ranking does not depict the actual strength of most teams in the world, especially in Europe, where many good teams fail to qualifyfor big tournaments and end up too low in the table.
Inspired by UEFA national teams coefficients, I tried to come up with a new formula of providing the ranking for European national teams. The general rules of my ranking are:
- Coefficients are counted during a 4 year cycle. So the current coefficient is the outcome of the results in the years 2010-2013.
- Older results tend to count less towrads the final coefficient. 2010 results are multiplied by 10%, 2011 by 20%, 2012 by 30% and 2013 by 40%. For the next coefficients ('11-'14) 2010 results will not count at all, the rest will be lowered by 10% and 2014 results will be multiplied by 40%.
- Matches counted consist of: World Cup, Olympics, pre-qualifying for the Olympics, Eurobasket, Eurobasket qualification (all phases)
- According to the strength of the competition and of the particular stage of the competition the match was part of, different bonus are awarded to both teams.
- Points scored and conceded also count (a lesser amount)
The only exception to the above was the Additional Qualifying Round for Eurobasket 2011, which was not counted. All the other matches played were counted (World Cup 2011, Eurobasket 2011 Qualification, Eurobasket 2011, pre-qualifying for the Olympics and the Olympic tournament 2012, Eurobasket 2013 Qualification, Eurobasket 2013 and Eurobasket 2015 Qualification A). In the parentheses above, different colours are used for the different years those matches were played (so, a different weight was applied to them).
For 2010-2011, teams that participated in the now defunct Division B, were awarded a base coefficient of 5000.
Teams that did not participate in any competition for a particular year, did not earn any points.
In the case of Slovenia 2012, when they played no games because they had auto-qualified for the Eurobasket as hosts, but had not qualified for the Olympics, their 2011 coefficient was also applied to 2012.
Points awarded
For every match, both teams get 10,000 points for playing. The winner gets an extra 20,000 points. For every point scored, 101 points are added. For every point conceded, 100 points are deducted. There are no draws (overtime result is the only one counted).
Bonus points are awarded to both teams, depending of the competition and the stage of the competition.
Eurobasket
Qualification A Groups -10000
Qualification A Play-offs 0
Qualification 0
Group Phase match 5000
Top-12 10000
QF 15000
5th-8th place matches 10000
SF 20000
3rd place Final 25000
Final 30000
World Cup
Group Phase match 7000
Eighth Finals 15000
Quarter-Finals 20000
5th-8th place matches 12000
Semi-Finals 30000
3rd place Final 35000
Final 50000
Olympics
Pre-Qualifying Tournament 2000
Group Phase 12000
Quarter-Finals 20000
Semi-Finals 30000
Bronze medal match 35000
Final 50000
If a match contains a European team playing a non-European team, points are counted normally.
For example: World Cup 2010 Group Phase, Angola-Serbia 44-94
Serbia gets 10,000 for playing + 20,000 for winning + 7,000 bonus points + 101*94 points scored - 100*44 points conceded = 42,094 points
For the same competition stage: France-Spain 72-66 : France:37,672, Spain: 16,466
For the Olympic Games Final: USA-Spain 107-100 : Spain got 59,400 points despite losing, because of the +50,000 bonus
A team's coefficient for one year is the average points that team collected from the matches they played in that particular year.
2010-2013 Coefficients
Some great ideas imo, however I'd love a system where for example, the number of points would also depend on the opponents ranking as well, meaning that winning vs. Qatar brings less points as losing vs. USA... or simmilar.
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